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I fail to see your arguement you are making. Moving confirmation to an older age and providing more formal faith formation as a result can be the perfect opportunity to recognize what our youth is facing. And regardless of the age of confirmation, you’re always going to have separated families and kids being bounced around and you’re going to have people in the teaching role that do not see the hardships of being young. And your arguement fails to address the 30% statistic that you used, if you move the age of confirmation to an earlier age, that problem still exists and we can still be left with no way of addressing it. Those kids and all their problems would still not be recognized.
Most couples are still together when the child is receiving 1st holy communion so those problems are not necessarily present then. Policies can be changed and if it is reordered, then you have a time, high school, to add other classes - TOB, apologetic, etc.
But, the theology is the real reason to reorder the sacraments. In that regards, you are right as to the real reason it should be reordered - not just because some may not receive the sacrament.
 
I think there should be stronger and longer faith formation. I also think confirmation should be at an earlier age. I don’t see what one has to do with the other. Either confirmation is dependent on being a certain age with a certain number of years of catechesis, or it is not. Some parents have their children baptised, and don’t bring them back for years. We don’t refuse to baptise babies entirely because of this.

My kids attend Catholic schools. My daughter’s best friend at the school (age 9) is unbaptised. He will soon be going through the RCIA process and receiving baptism and confirmation, although none of his family is Catholic. So he will have the opportunity to be confirmed prior to any of the Catholic children in our Diocese so that he can be fully initiated into the faith? It is important for him, it is not important for other children? Does that make sense, really?
 
Most couples are still together when the child is receiving 1st holy communion so those problems are not necessarily present then. Policies can be changed and if it is reordered, then you have a time, high school, to add other classes - TOB, apologetic, etc.
But, the theology is the real reason to reorder the sacraments. In that regards, you are right as to the real reason it should be reordered - not just because some may not receive the sacrament.
From my experience when my daughter received her first communion, MANY of her fellow classmates, both from the CCD program and the parish school, came from separated families. Its not a given anymore that children come from a stable family household. There were too many families even at the parish school that were separated and the children were being raised by a grandparent.
 
I think there should be stronger and longer faith formation. I also think confirmation should be at an earlier age. I don’t see what one has to do with the other. Either confirmation is dependent on being a certain age with a certain number of years of catechesis, or it is not. Some parents have their children baptised, and don’t bring them back for years. We don’t refuse to baptise babies entirely because of this.

My kids attend Catholic schools. My daughter’s best friend at the school (age 9) is unbaptised. He will soon be going through the RCIA process and receiving baptism and confirmation, although none of his family is Catholic. So he will have the opportunity to be confirmed prior to any of the Catholic children in our Diocese so that he can be fully initiated into the faith? Does that make sense, really?
If the priest, who is helping the prepare the child, has no reason to believe the faith will be continued, he can deny/delay the sacraments whether it is baptizing a baby or the youth you spoke of. I had to wait to enter the Church till I was 14 because of that very reason even though I wanted to at 5. My parents were not Catholic and still aren’t. Those calls are made by the priest. If he does see that the child’s faith/formation will be continued, then most likely he will allow the sacraments.
 
From my experience when my daughter received her first communion, MANY of her fellow classmates, both from the CCD program and the parish school, came from separated families. Its not a given anymore that children come from a stable family household. There were too many families even at the parish school that were separated and the children were being raised by a grandparent.
It isn’t like that where we are, yet. Most are still together and occasionally you will have those who are under the care of guardians.
 
If the priest, who is helping the prepare the child, has no reason to believe the faith will be continued, he can deny/delay the sacraments whether it is baptizing a baby or the youth you spoke of. I had to wait to enter the Church till I was 14 because of that very reason even though I wanted to at 5. My parents were not Catholic and still aren’t. Those calls are made by the priest. If he does see that the child’s faith/formation will be continued, then most likely he will allow the sacraments.
I know that the priest CAN delay them, and can deny baptism if need be. But we don’t entirely give up on infant baptism because some people do the wrong thing. It is still available.

Confirmation will be totally unavailable for all, except children going through RCIA, regardless of their individual circumstances, readiness, or family support of ongoing religious education. With the exception of baptised children in danger of death, they are still offered Confirmation regardless of age or religious education received.
 
That is exactly where it has been criticized, those who are fully coming into the Church while those who have remained in the Church/faithful are made to wait. What we can do, in addition to praying, is make it known to our priests/Bishop and educate ourselves. We also have the option of requesting it earlier for our children. If need be, some receive permission to travel to other dioceses for Confirmation. Many that I encounter do not know there are options nor that you can request it early/ier than what the Diocesan policy states.
 
Some of what that parish requires as listed below, that is something I’d like to see more of as some kids don’t even know the basics like:

*Memory prayers like Our Father, Glory Be, Hail Mary
*The names of 7 Sacraments and what each do
*The 2 main parts of the Mass
*Types of sin
*How and when to go to Confession
*The 2 main parts of the Bible (Old and New Testament)
Other than the main parts of the Bible, which wasn’t something emphasized when I was in the lower grades, I knew all that in grade 1 before I made my First Communion. In those days in my diocese, when the Sisters knew that the Bishop was coming to confirm, all those who’d received their First Communion since the last time the Bishop was there were prepared for Confirmation. I was confirmed when I was 7.

In my diocese anyone in grades 6-10 may request Confirmation. We once had the restored order, for about 9 years, but we were merged with a diocese that confirmed in grade 10 so the compromise was to raise us by 4 years and lower the rest of the diocese by 4 years. I’m sure some parishes still keep it at grade 10.
 
A parish in another diocese that offers the Extraordinary Form only will confirm those in the 8th grade. They have to demonstrate a certain amount of knowledge and have an interview with the priest to determine readiness for reception of Confirmation. Some of what that parish requires as listed below, that is something I’d like to see more of as some kids don’t even know the basics like:

*Memory prayers like Our Father, Glory Be, Hail Mary
*The names of 7 Sacraments and what each do
*The 2 main parts of the Mass
*Types of sin
*How and when to go to Confession
*The 2 main parts of the Bible (Old and New Testament)
My 8 and 9 year olds know all this and much more. This certainly should be required knowledge, but it doesn’t require an 11th grader to know these.
 
I think there should be stronger and longer faith formation. I also think confirmation should be at an earlier age. I don’t see what one has to do with the other. Either confirmation is dependent on being a certain age with a certain number of years of catechesis, or it is not. Some parents have their children baptised, and don’t bring them back for years. We don’t refuse to baptise babies entirely because of this.

My kids attend Catholic schools. My daughter’s best friend at the school (age 9) is unbaptised. He will soon be going through the RCIA process and receiving baptism and confirmation, although none of his family is Catholic. So he will have the opportunity to be confirmed prior to any of the Catholic children in our Diocese so that he can be fully initiated into the faith? It is important for him, it is not important for other children? Does that make sense, really?
I would further your argument by saying that we should never be “finished” studying the faith. Where is the ongoing catechesis for adults? Many Protestant denominations have this. We have nothing, for the most part, in most places that I’ve seen. That’s why 75% of those claiming to be Catholic in this country don’t even attend Sunday Mass! And attending Mass is good, but it’s a bare-bones beginning to the faith! We have so many adults in this country with high school diploma’s, college degrees, etc., but a 2nd grade education in their Catholic faith! We’re failing to learn our Catholic faith, as a group. That’s why we’re in so much trouble.
 
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I would further your argument by saying that we should never be “finished” studying the faith. Where is the ongoing catechesis for adults? Many Protestant denominations have this. We have nothing, for the most part, in most places that I’ve seen. That’s why 75% of those claiming to be Catholic in this country don’t even attend Sunday Mass! And attending Mass is good, but it’s a bare-bones beginning to the faith! We have so many adults in this country with high school diploma’s, college degrees, etc., but a 2nd grade education in their Catholic faith! We’re failing to learn our Catholic faith, as a group. That’s why we’re in so much trouble.
 
I would further your argument by saying that we should never be “finished” studying the faith. Where is the ongoing catechesis for adults? Many Protestant denominations have this. We have nothing, for the most part, in most places that I’ve seen. That’s why 75% of those claiming to be Catholic in this country don’t even attend Sunday Mass! And attending Mass is good, but it’s a bare-bones beginning to the faith! We have so many adults in this country with high school diploma’s, college degrees, etc., but a 2nd grade education in their Catholic faith! We’re failing to learn our Catholic faith, as a group. That’s why we’re in so much trouble.
I agree, I agree, I agree. :tiphat:

Now as to the original poster’s question, I could be wrong but I believe that here in San Diego the minimum age for confirmation is 15 which seems reasonable to me.
 
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I would further your argument by saying that we should never be “finished” studying the faith. Where is the ongoing catechesis for adults? Many Protestant denominations have this. We have nothing, for the most part, in most places that I’ve seen. That’s why 75% of those claiming to be Catholic in this country don’t even attend Sunday Mass! And attending Mass is good, but it’s a bare-bones beginning to the faith! We have so many adults in this country with high school diploma’s, college degrees, etc., but a 2nd grade education in their Catholic faith! We’re failing to learn our Catholic faith, as a group. That’s why we’re in so much trouble.
Well said, even as an adult, I still learn about my faith by going to Bible Studies and other adult faith formation opportunities when I am able. If I cannot go to a formation class, then I read from my various catechism books and/or the Bible for a few minutes a day if I am able to do so.
 
I agree, I agree, I agree. :tiphat:

Now as to the original poster’s question, I could be wrong but I believe that here in San Diego the minimum age for confirmation is 15 which seems reasonable to me.
Well, I think each bishop can set his own policies, at present, as to when he thinks it best to have Confirmation. But the Church allows it anytime after Baptism, I believe. And I think including it as a group (Baptism, Confirmation, and Holy Communion), like the Eastern Orthodox do, is best. That way, the person gets the spiritual benefits of all three Sacraments for their whole life! I agree with the Bishop of Fargo ( Bishop Samuel Aquila), who has begun to do this, said that having all three Sacraments together distance the Sacrament of Confirmation from some false theologies that see it as being a Sacrament of maturity or as a Sacrament for ‘me choosing God.’ Bishop Aquila told the Pope what he was going with this, and the Pope, it is said, was very happy and approving. In case you missed the article I posted earlier, here it is: wdtprs.com/blog/2012/03/american-bishop-receives-kudos-from-the-pope-for-reordering-sacraments/
 
The way I see it, based on what goes on in our area, if the age is moved up to high school we are going to see less and less kids receive Confirmation. The truth is that once the kids are in high school sports and other activities take precedence over religious education. Right now we are getting lot of absences because kids have lacrosse practice 8 hours a week, every day, and it cuts into CCD time, so which do you think the kids will come to. The parents want them all to excel in sports so they can all get scholarships to good colleges. And that’s the way it is. The parents are going to choose sports over religion. We already had parents call us asking us to change the confirmation date because a practice was scheduled on the same day. When we told them we couldn’t they wanted to know if the kids could leave after they received the sacrament or did they need to stay for the whole mass. Really sad isn’t it.
 
Well said, even as an adult, I still learn about my faith by going to Bible Studies and other adult faith formation opportunities when I am able. If I cannot go to a formation class, then I read from my various catechism books and/or the Bible for a few minutes a day if I am able to do so.
That is one of the reasons why I chose to be a catechist. It forces me to keep growing as a Catholic, I have to look at the faith from different perspectives and that is really helpful. You cannot just say; " Now I know enough".
 
The way I see it, based on what goes on in our area, if the age is moved up to high school we are going to see less and less kids receive Confirmation. The truth is that once the kids are in high school sports and other activities take precedence over religious education. Right now we are getting lot of absences because kids have lacrosse practice 8 hours a week, every day, and it cuts into CCD time, so which do you think the kids will come to. The parents want them all to excel in sports so they can all get scholarships to good colleges. And that’s the way it is. The parents are going to choose sports over religion. We already had parents call us asking us to change the confirmation date because a practice was scheduled on the same day. When we told them we couldn’t they wanted to know if the kids could leave after they received the sacrament or did they need to stay for the whole mass. Really sad isn’t it.
That is so very sad.
 
Well, I think each bishop can set his own policies, at present, as to when he thinks it best to have Confirmation. But the Church allows it anytime after Baptism, I believe. %between%
The discipline of the Church at this time is that other than in danger of death, when even infants should be confirmed, Confirmation is at the age of reason (~7) after a period of catechesis. Unlike Communion, reception of which requires Catholics to understand Whom they are receiving and be able to do it reverently, Confirmation has no such canonical requirement, just ‘instruction’. Canon Law does allow the Conference of Bishops to set another age.
 
By the time you finish CCD you should know the basics of our faith. My husband and I, going to all CCD + Catholic School did not even have that. They should now, have a firm foundation in which to build/grow in. But you are right, learning more should be forever. The basics should be known after CCD tho.
 
The discipline of the Church at this time is that other than in danger of death, when even infants should be confirmed, Confirmation is at the age of reason (~7) after a period of catechesis. Unlike Communion, reception of which requires Catholics to understand Whom they are receiving and be able to do it reverently, Confirmation has no such canonical requirement, just ‘instruction’. Canon Law does allow the Conference of Bishops to set another age.
But correct me if I’m wrong, please. The Conference of Bishops really doesn’t have any authority over individual bishops, except as each may agree, and the individual bishops can set their own policy, n’est pas, apart from the Conference of Bishops? Although, maybe the Pope needs to approve of these type of disciplinary changes? It seems that the Pope was very pleased and agreeable that the Bishop of Fargo (Bishop Samuel Aquila) had requested and received permission to give the Sacrament of Confirmation along with Baptism and Holy Communion. “I was very surprised in what the Pope said to me, in terms of how happy he was that the sacraments of initiation have been restored to their proper order of baptism, confirmation then first Eucharist,” said Bishop Aquila, after meeting Pope Benedict on March 8.
 
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