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duneman
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What happens to agnostics when they die ???
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BoomBoomMancini
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We don’t know. People have ideas, but anyone who tells you they know is kidding themselves.
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Dan_Defender
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Nobody knows. That is between God and the agnostic person.
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angel12
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That decision is WAY above our pay grade.
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steve-b
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Here’s one answer. It comes from the one who in the beginning, spoke and all that is came into existence. He is also the one who judges ALL.
He made a HUGE conditional statement
Jesus said unless…
And His “disciples” (not the 12) walked away from Him never to follow Him again… saying that’s too hard to even listen to. Did Jesus go after them? Nope! Did He want a 2nd opportunity to convince them? Nope. He let them go.
What did He say He knew in advance they didn’t have? Faith
They stay that way until death? What does Jesus say?
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CzechMan
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So you are saying that unless a person participates in the Eucharist, at least once, he is not saved, regardless if he is agnostic, or Baptist, or whatever. Well, the Catechism of the Catholic church does not teach that. It teaches there are exceptions, and that many are saved, even though they are not Catholic, don’t even have the right to go to a Catholic church and eat the Eucharist. So many Catholics say that even when a person dies agnostic, he might be saved. Though that is a bit fuzzy in the Catechism. It can be interpreted different ways, It is not explained well there. The Catechism makes it more clear that a Jew or Muslim might be saved.
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steve-b
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- Who did I quote… Me? No. It was Jesus
- Did He say only once and done? No
Anybody looking for escape clauses rather than see how they can comply with the rules Jesus established, is already in trouble.
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might ≠will
That said, Ignorance to be a valid excuse, needs to be innocent.
Otherwise
1791 This ignorance can often be imputed to personal responsibility. This is the case when a man “takes little trouble to find out what is true and good, or when conscience is by degrees almost blinded through the habit of committing sin.” In such cases, the person is culpable for the evil he commits.
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CzechMan
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Well, now you have corrected that. Now, like the Catholic church, you do acknowledge that many are saved, with no Eucharist.
Now concerning your quote of 1791, I would say it applies to many agnostics but does not apply to many other agnostics. Sure, some agnostics are quite evil, they don’t take the trouble to find out what is true and good, and of what they find, they don’t care about much. Their conscience can be very blinded.Such people can be considered psychopaths. And people like that can be found in any religion, as well as among agnostics and atheists. But few people are totally evil. Much more common are people who are sometimes doing good things, they have somewhat better conscience, but sometimes are doing evil things. They can have compassion, help people, but sometimes steal, or take bribes, bad stuff.
But many people are much better than that. Sure, there is nobody who has never done anything wrong, but still, such people are very good people. With lots of compassion, very good conscience. They don’t ever want to do anything bad. Rarely they might slip up, do something bad, but then are ashamed., feel guilty, remorseful. They have a good idea of what is true and good. They want everyone to be happy. Such people are not uncommon in any religion. And they are not uncommon among agnostics. Now, as far as religion is concerned, agnostics are by definition ignorant. They might have studied a number of religions, including Christianity.But they could not change their ignorance. They studied some religions, but did not find answers, remain ignorant about if any of the religions is true. Remain ignorant concerning whether God exists. Remain ignorant about whether there is life after death. And I am so well informed about it, because I live it. I am such an agnostic. And I believe my sister is like that too. And I think my mother was like that too.So it is well familiar to me. And i know less about more distant relatives, like cousins and others, but I do suspect some are like this as well. After all, among us Czechs, there are not many believers anymore. Not many belong to a religion any more. Most are ignorant. But like in any nation, many are good people, many are not so good, and a few are totally evil.
Now concerning your quote of 1791, I would say it applies to many agnostics but does not apply to many other agnostics. Sure, some agnostics are quite evil, they don’t take the trouble to find out what is true and good, and of what they find, they don’t care about much. Their conscience can be very blinded.Such people can be considered psychopaths. And people like that can be found in any religion, as well as among agnostics and atheists. But few people are totally evil. Much more common are people who are sometimes doing good things, they have somewhat better conscience, but sometimes are doing evil things. They can have compassion, help people, but sometimes steal, or take bribes, bad stuff.
But many people are much better than that. Sure, there is nobody who has never done anything wrong, but still, such people are very good people. With lots of compassion, very good conscience. They don’t ever want to do anything bad. Rarely they might slip up, do something bad, but then are ashamed., feel guilty, remorseful. They have a good idea of what is true and good. They want everyone to be happy. Such people are not uncommon in any religion. And they are not uncommon among agnostics. Now, as far as religion is concerned, agnostics are by definition ignorant. They might have studied a number of religions, including Christianity.But they could not change their ignorance. They studied some religions, but did not find answers, remain ignorant about if any of the religions is true. Remain ignorant concerning whether God exists. Remain ignorant about whether there is life after death. And I am so well informed about it, because I live it. I am such an agnostic. And I believe my sister is like that too. And I think my mother was like that too.So it is well familiar to me. And i know less about more distant relatives, like cousins and others, but I do suspect some are like this as well. After all, among us Czechs, there are not many believers anymore. Not many belong to a religion any more. Most are ignorant. But like in any nation, many are good people, many are not so good, and a few are totally evil.
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Seagull
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One thing most people are afraid of -
When they die -
And appear before God -
Is the sentence “ I never knew you “
Someone told me - convincingly-
That when we appear before God -
We’ll be meek as lambs -
With absolutely nothing to say or suggest or whatever.
When they die -
And appear before God -
Is the sentence “ I never knew you “
Someone told me - convincingly-
That when we appear before God -
We’ll be meek as lambs -
With absolutely nothing to say or suggest or whatever.
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steve-b
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“Might” has no particular positive note to it. “Might” happen could be a 10% or less chance of happening. And “might” might not happen at all.
“Good” ultimately depends on how God sees a person.
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steve-b
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For sure, if those words are spoken, the rest won’t be good
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Dan_Defender
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I agree. Let us remember this too:
‘But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the polluted, as for murderers, fornicators, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their lot shall be in the lake that burns with fire and sulphur, which is the second death.’ Rev 8:21
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steve-b
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that too …steve-b:
I agree. Let us remember this too:
‘But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the polluted, as for murderers, fornicators, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their lot shall be in the lake that burns with fire and sulphur, which is the second death.’ Rev 8:21
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