Ahmadiyya Muslims

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Ahmadiyya is to Islam what Jehovah Witness’s are to Christianity?
 
Yeah, pretty much. They’re a heretical offshoot of Islam who deny that Muhammad was the final prophet.
 
drac16 said:
Yeah, pretty much. They’re a heretical offshoot of Islam and they deny that Muhammad was the final prophet.
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I guess that makes Alawites to Islam what Mormons are to Christianity.
 
drac16 said:
I don’t know. I’ve never heard of the Alawites until now (I googled it). 🤷
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Well, Alawites believe in a trinity concept about God, although it seems to be closer to the Christian heresy of Sabellianism which is basically what Oneness Pentecostals hold today. This is of course still very much contrary to the Islamic doctrine of “Tawhid.”

In a similar manner, Mormons believe the Trinity to be three gods. This heavily contrary to the correct orthodox view that the Trinity is one God but three persons. Not three gods. Thus Mormons teach tritheism.
 
I liken them to the LDS.

They are very nice people…yet looked down upon as heretics by many mainstream muslims.
 
thephilosopher6 said:
Ahmadiyya is to Islam what Jehovah Witness’s are to Christianity?
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I have a Muslim friend who always refers to them as “Mormons of Islam”. Their teachings are heretical to orthodox Muslims, and though they claim to be Muslims, most Muslims don’t think they are but are heretics. Sound familiar to Mormons or Jehovah’s Witnesses?
 
jas84173 said:
I have a Muslim friend who always refers to them as “Mormons of Islam”. Their teachings are heretical to orthodox Muslims, and though they claim to be Muslims, most Muslims don’t think they are but are heretics. Sound familiar to Mormons or Jehovah’s Witnesses?
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Are they Ahmadiyya’s?
 
thephilosopher6 said:
Are they Ahmadiyya’s?
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Who my friend? No he’s just a Sunni Muslim. He views Ahmidiyyah as non Muslim and a heresy. Ahmad is actually the term basically for Jesus’ return on the second coming and the founder claimed to be that. Most Christians don’t realize it but Adam, Noah, Moses, Jesus, and Muhammad are the most important messengers of of God in Islam and Jesus is the messiah of the children of Israel.
 
drac16 said:
Yeah, pretty much. They’re a heretical offshoot of Islam who deny that Muhammad was the final prophet.
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There are a lot of muslim offshoots, like 5%'er Muslims, which are also considered to be “heretical” by mainstream Muslims.

For those of us who remember the 1970’s, the Washington DC home of basketball’s Kareem Jabbar was shot up in a denominational dispute between Muslim groups. Quite a story.

I think the main difference in the comparison between Catholic and Mormons, is that there isn’t any violence between us but there is between the muslim and muslim related groups.
 
jas84173 said:
Who my friend? No he’s just a Sunni Muslim. He views Ahmidiyyah as non Muslim and a heresy. Ahmad is actually the term basically for Jesus’ return on the second coming and the founder claimed to be that. Most Christians don’t realize it but Adam, Noah, Moses, Jesus, and Muhammad are the most important messengers of of God in Islam and Jesus is the messiah of the children of Israel.
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Oops I read your initial post wrong. I thought it said your friend refers to himself and his group as the “Mormons of Islam.” Thus, I assumed he was the Ahmadiyya,

And I do realize that Islam believes in Adam, Noah, Moses, and Jesus. They just do it in the wrong way,
 
Kielbasi said:
There are a lot of muslim offshoots, like 5%'er Muslims, which are also considered to be “heretical” by mainstream Muslims.

For those of us who remember the 1970’s, the Washington DC home of basketball’s Kareem Jabbar was shot up in a denominational dispute between Muslim groups. Quite a story.

I think the main difference in the comparison between Catholic and Mormons, is that there isn’t any violence between us but there is between the muslim and muslim related groups.
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I think historically it’s because Catholics and Mormons were persecuted in the United States. My point was really that, most people think all Muslims believe the same way but it is so far from the truth. Because we are a majority Christian nation we tend to only focus on if we’re Catholic, Orthodox, Protestant, quasi sects like JW and Mormons etc; but then put other religions loke Judaism, Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism etc etc into a section of just being other religions; when in reality every single world religion in their prime area of saturation fight about different beliefs, schools, branches etc. We don’t realize that Christianity is the largest religion in the world; but all world religions have different beliefs inside of the fundamental belief. Like to be a Christian you believe Jesus was the son of God. To be a Muslim you believe Muhammad was the final prophet. To be a Buddhist you adhere to the teachings of Siddartha Gautuma. There’s plenty of reason to have factions despite that common principle that makes you a world religion. Like Islam split into Sunni and Shia within a couple decades after the prophets death. Sunni believed elected should be speakers, Shia believed Muhammad’s descendants should. And I mean then there’s the Bahai Faith who was started by a Muslim. Muslims renounce that as a heresy as well. The difference is, adherents of Bahai don’t claim to be Muslim but it’s own separate world religion. Which makes sense. They believe in prophets from all religions, Muhammad, Jesus, Moses, Zoroaster , Krishna, Buddah, were all sent to different cultures to preach God’s truth in a way the culture could understand. In a real sense they are Unitarians as far as I can tell. It’s interesting stuff.
 
To be a Muslim you believe Muhammad was the final prophet.
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Well, Ahmadiyya’s don’t seem to believe that so I think a more accurate assertion is to say that Muslims believe the Qur’an to be the word of God.
 
There’s been `ijma (consensus) on the takfir of four groups by the ulema of Ahlus Sunnah:
  1. Ismaili Shias
  2. Druze
  3. Alawis/Nusayris
  4. Ahmadiyya/Qadianis
In other words, they aren’t simply considered to be Muslims with heretical beliefs, but they aren’t considered to be Muslims at all; they are unbelievers.
 
SalamKhan said:
There’s been `ijma (consensus) on the takfir of four groups by the ulema of Ahlus Sunnah:
  1. Ismaili Shias
  2. Druze
  3. Alawis/Nusayris
  4. Ahmadiyya/Qadianis
In other words, they aren’t simply considered to be Muslims with heretical beliefs, but they aren’t considered to be Muslims at all; they are unbelievers.
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So Mormons or JWs would be a good analogy then. Since most mainstream Christians I’ve encountered do not consider Mormons or JWs to be Christians but offshoot religions that are “Christian-like” but not true Christians.
 
SalamKhan said:
There’s been `ijma (consensus) on the takfir of four groups by the ulema of Ahlus Sunnah:
  1. Ismaili Shias
  2. Druze
  3. Alawis/Nusayris
  4. Ahmadiyya/Qadianis
In other words, they aren’t simply considered to be Muslims with heretical beliefs, but they aren’t considered to be Muslims at all; they are unbelievers.
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Mainstream Christianity (Catholic, Orthodox, and Protestant) have a similar view of groups like the LDS (Mormons), Jehovah Witness’s, Christian Scientist, Onesness Pentecostals, Christadelphians, Quakers, and some others. We do not consider them Christians because their doctrines either heavily contrast with orthodox Christianity to the point where it is simply no longer just heresy but much greater, or (like Quakers) don’t practice all the certain sacraments that initiate one into Christianity like baptism.

Of course, from a general scholarly point of view they’d be considered Christians. Same type of thing with the Islamic groups you listed. Mainstream Muslims may not see them as Muslims, but from a scholarly point of view they are considered Muslims.
 
Any body remember ‘Planten’?

There was a group of them from Pakistan…one wished me Merry Christmas…really liked him…the writing and manner of fonts changed per person.

I think they were Ahmadiyya Muslims.
 
KathleenGee said:
Any body remember ‘Planten’?

There was a group of them from Pakistan…one wished me Merry Christmas…really liked him…the writing and manner of fonts changed per person.

I think they were Ahmadiyya Muslims.
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Oh boy… do I remember Planten and his other Ahmadi friends who were on here.!!!

Miss those guys! 🙂

Remember their slogan… Love for all… hatred for none!!
 
Yes, myself as well!

I was annoyed at first with them all claiming to be one person…the big colored script and English use…but there was another fellow I ended up liking very much and we had a genuine and spiritual exchange at Christmas one year.

I think some members, now banned, jumped on them, and he was agitated, and was banned as well.

They are from Pakistan and a minority and see how that sect there has had losses by extremists and wonder how they fared. Prayed for them.

Glad you remembered!
 
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