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I’m gonna go out on a limb here and say that we think alchemy is bad. But a lot of my friends think it’s cool to draw alchemy symbols and stuff. Like, they don’t believe the symbol is magic or anything, but they will draw like the symbol for fire on their arm or something and be like “look it’s the alchemy symbol for fire”. Just wondering, would this be immoral or anything? I know they don’t believe the symbol has any power, they just think it’s a cool symbol to represent fire or whatever else. But if alchemy is bad, does that mean anything that goes with it is also bad? Plus there’s the manga Fullmetal Alchemist which is pretty big and causes a lot of kids to do this stuff. So yeah, just wondering, thanks.
 
No, alchemy isn’t bad in the sense of being evil, it’s just poor science. However, up until a few centuries ago alchemy did represent the best system of chemical principles known at the time, along with a boatload of nonsense. Eventually alchemy shed the nonsense and became the science of chemistry.

The symbols alchemists used were not really different in principle from the specialized symbols chemists and mathematicians still use today, just in application. There’s nothing wrong with learning alchemical symbols if such historical trivia interests you, but I think it would be more useful to learn the periodic table. Then you can draw “Sm” on your arm and be like “Look, it’s the chemical symbol for samarium. Atomic number 62. A lanthanoid.”
 
BrooklynBoy,

The morality or immorality of an action depends on the action itself, the intent of the one doing it, and the circumstances.

The act itself, as you describe it, of drawing alchemy symbols is not immoral in itself. (Or even moral for that matter. It is what would be best described as neutral). Alchemical symbols were the only chemical symbols in use prior to the 17th century, so if you wanted to talk about chemicals you used alchemical symbols. There was nothing inherently wrong about them. They were replaced by our modern chemical symbols in the Periodic Table (Au = Gold, O = Oxygen, Hg = Mercury, etc.).

St. Thomas Aquinas even mentions alchemy in his Summa:
If however real gold were to be produced by alchemy, it would not be unlawful to sell it for the genuine article, for nothing prevents art from employing certain natural causes for the production of natural and true effects. . .
I don’t think the symbols themselves pose any problem. However, since the intent and circumstances may make an otherwise moral (or in this case neutral) act into a bad act, it is possible that what your friends intend may be immoral. In other words, if they ascribe magical power to the symbols, or if the draw the symbols with intent to shock or scare others, etc. then that would make it a bad act.

VC
 
Ok thanks, just wondering cause when you see alchemy, satanism and such isn’t usually far behind
 
Alchemical symbols were developed as a way to disguise one’s work in a code so that fellow alchemists (or non-alchemists) could not steal your work. One arabic alchemist, Abu Musa Jābir ibn Hayyān (also known as Geber, from the Latin translation of Jabir) became very well versed at disguising his notes. It is theorized that we get the word “gibberish” from his name, since his writings were practically indecipherable to outsiders. The symbols themselves are out of use today, although they represent a vast history of the science that we should not forget. Alchemy contributed a lot to the foundations of modern chemistry, and is not evil by any means.

I would like to know where you find the link between alchemy and satanism.

(Edited for a correction on his nationality. After posting, I verfied that, while he was Muslim, he was not born in Spain but rather Iran)
 
Me too. Unless what you mean by alchemy is not what is historically known as alchemy.
I learned that alchemists usually used a combination of magic and science to try to achieve their goals. Usually the transformation of lead into gold, and eternal life. Also, alchemy is traditionally associated with astrology. Isn’t astrology bad?
 
I learned that alchemists usually used a combination of magic and science to try to achieve their goals. Usually the transformation of lead into gold, and eternal life. Also, alchemy is traditionally associated with astrology. Isn’t astrology bad?
Astrology, as it was originally practiced centuries and millenia ago was really astronomy in its infant form. True, it was used to forecast the future in a limited sense, but it was primarily concerned with with things such as determining what future dates would be best for planting crops or when to expect floods or other bad weather. In this aplication it actually worked, as it was really just a way of working with the sidereal calendar.

Error entered the equation when people mistook coincidence for causality: Instead of realizing that certain stellar configurations occured at about the same time as other terrestrial events because both kinds of phenomena were events that took place during the same seasons every year, some astrologers thought the stellar configurations caused those other events and assumed that the stars could cause still other events or even influence people. The astrology that we see in our newspapers today has nothing in common with historical astrology besides its name and is written by persons who probably couldn’t tell Arcturus from Aldebaran unless both were labeled.

As for alchemists trying to transform lead into gold, until the nature of chemical elements vs. chemical compounds was better understood, there was no way to know this could not be done. As many other chemical processes were already known to the ancient alchemists, it was not unreasonable for them to try.

One substance the alchemists especially were interested in was mercury, as this element seemed to embody a certain “metalic principle” believed to be common to all metals. Their idea was that by combining lead, the “metalic principle” and certain other “earths” in the correct prortions, gold could be produced. One “earth” frequently used was sulphur, which was yellow in color as was gold. Mercury vapors are very poisonous and prolonged exposure can result in various sorts of mental aberrations, which may explain a lot about classical alchemists’ interests in magic and similar things.
 
Full metal Alchemist is a strange program as it involves raising people from the dead etc. If they are getting their ideas from that then it’s immoral, as it equates to divination and magic.

2116 All forms of *divination *are to be rejected: recourse to Satan or demons, conjuring up the dead or other practices falsely supposed to “unveil” the future.48 Consulting horoscopes, astrology, palm reading, interpretation of omens and lots, the phenomena of clairvoyance, and recourse to mediums all conceal a desire for power over time, history, and, in the last analysis, other human beings, as well as a wish to conciliate hidden powers. They contradict the honor, respect, and loving fear that we owe to God alone.
2117 All practices of *magic *or sorcery, by which one attempts to tame occult powers, so as to place them at one’s service and have a supernatural power over others - even if this were for the sake of restoring their health - are gravely contrary to the virtue of religion. These practices are even more to be condemned when accompanied by the intention of harming someone, or when they have recourse to the intervention of demons. Wearing charms is also reprehensible. *Spiritism *often implies divination or magical practices; the Church for her part warns the faithful against it. Recourse to so-called traditional cures does not justify either the invocation of evil powers or the exploitation of another’s credulity.

vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p3s2c1a1.htm#2115

for the CCC
 
Be careful that still today a lot of gnostic movements make use of alchemy.
 
Full metal Alchemist is a strange program as it involves raising people from the dead etc. If they are getting their ideas from that then it’s immoral, as it equates to divination and magic.
Neither alchemy nor Full Metal Alchemist equates to divination or magic. Hundreds of years ago, alchemists misunderstood the world around them and assigned spiritual/supernatural causes to things they did not understand. That does not mean that alchemists were diviners or magicians. All they learned was that if they mixed A and B the right way, they’d get a interesting reaction. Modern science may be better at explaining the reactions than the alchemists, but they were not somehow summoning demons or performing supernatural acts to do the same things we do today. Alchemy, and it’s related symbols and texts, is not evil.

If these people think they are characters on a TV show, that’s a different problem. You could be having a similar schizophrenic episode relating to Star Wars, but that doesn’t make The Force any more real. Full Metal Alchemist is fictional and for entertainment purposes only. Its link to alchemy is in name only. To say that in FMA they raise the dead, therefore all alchemists raised the dead, and by extension alchemy is related with magic and divination is false logic.
 
In what way? Why is this dangerous?
Alchemy is a crock of garbage from a scientific point of view. If you look at it from a philosophical point of view than you assume that the changes are based on secret knowledge the same way the gnostic do and that is contrary to our religion. So if it we use it as a science we look like idiots, if we use it based on the concept of a divine knowledge we go against the teachings of the Church. If we use the symbols because we like the way they look then it is just a simple matter of taste toward graphics (e.g. I like Times Roman fonts better than Helvetica)
 
Full Metal Alchemist is fictional and for entertainment purposes only. Its link to alchemy is in name only. To say that in FMA they raise the dead, therefore all alchemists raised the dead, and by extension alchemy is related with magic and divination is false logic.
I was refering to that program only not all alchemy.
 
Grace & Peace!

I think Alchemy gets a bum rap on all sides. Most see it as a pseudo-science, or the doman of fools who attempted to change lead into gold before proper chemistry was discovered. But Alchemy is much more than all that.

For the most part, the alchemists were not interested in what we would consider chemistry. Their worldview (which saw the universe as symbolic of a larger order of reality–would that we all shared the same worldview!) would not allow for the separation of physical science from potential spiritual applications which would arrive with the so-called Enlightenment. Changing lead into gold meant changing the soul, not a get rich quick scheme. Those who sought mere wealth were quickly deceived, frustrated, or broken. Those who found their riches in heaven embarked on a great quest. As the saying went “Aurum nostrum non est aurum vulgi,” which is to say, “Our gold is not the gold of the vulgar.” Those who are rumored to have completed what is called “The Great Work” were not particularly interested in temporal riches.

A great introuction to what Alchemy was all about is Titus Burckhardt’s classic simply called “Alchemy” which rectifies many misconceptions and re-enforces a view of alchemy which sees it as a “sacred science”, a discipline which is complementary to religion, though not essential to it.

For instance, is it any wonder that the Christian alchemists identified the Lapis Philosophorum, the Stone of the Wise, the completion of the Great Work, with Christ? Is it coincidence that the three major phases of the alchemical work (the Black–Nigredo, the White–Albedo, and the Red–Rubedo) mirror perfectly the three classical mystical phases of purgation, illumination and union?

My argument would be that there is nothing “magical” about alchemy, properly understood, but there is something mystical about it. It is a path of discipline–it is not for nothing that it is called by some the Yoga of the West. If should not be taken as a religion in itself, and should not be viewed as necessary to salvation or to a proper understanding of Christian symbol, ritual, or doctrine. But it can be quite helpful.

That having been said, are there some philosophical principles which may be inimical to Christianity? If there are, they are few and far between and are holdovers from a traditional, pre-modern mindset. The one that leaps most readily to mind is the idea of the prima materia (which may be interpreted as contrary to creation ex nihilo). Another is the anima mundi. But properly understood in their symbolic and cultural contexts, these ideas should not be perceived as threatening. Nor should they be perceived as doctrine.

I think that studying Alchemy should be akin to reading Origen–there are many glorious things to discover, but keep your wits about you!

Also, to those who would see Alchemy as heretically gnostic (as opposed to gnostic in the sense that St. Clement of Alexandria defined the term) because an element of secrecy was involved, I would remind them of the church’s Disciplina Arcani (Discipline of the Secret) which did not permit speaking the Lord’s prayer or the Creed in public for fear that others would not understand and would ridicule, in their ignorance, what are great treasures. The Disciplina is still seen in the “secret” praying of the Lord’s prayer mentioned in many old prayer books: Pater Noster (then in secret until) et ne nos inducas in tentationem sed libera nos a malo.

John Granger’s article “The Alchemist’s Tale” which discusses (of all things) the Harry Potter series in terms of alchemical symbolism, alchemy in English literature, and alchemy and Christianity, might be helpful(touchstonemag.com/archives/article.php?id=16-09-034-f). Stratford Caldecott’s journal “Second Spring,” while not dealing directly with alchemy, is a great site for those who are interested in what a traditional worldview looks like from a modern Catholic perspective (secondspring.co.uk/index.htm). Highly recommended.

Under the Mercy,
Mark

Deo Gratias!
 
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