Alcohol and Moderation

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Hoosier_Daddy said:
There is not a moral problem with that. It is when someone treats it in a gollum like fashion that I shake my head at someone. And I find this happens often in the Catholic faith. (sadly)
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Nope does not happen* in the Catholic Faith*.

Now certain Christians can act in a way not consistent with the virtue of temperance - but that like all sins is the sins of the individual or group etc.

The Catholic Faith itself is quite clear on what I noted above.
 
Hoosier_Daddy said:
Is there a blessing for Wild Turkey?
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In our Catholic tradition it is simply a fact that wine in particular, and beer to a lesser degree, have been given a special place of honour among beverages. This is the Churchā€™s rightā€¦the power of binding and loosing and all that. Wineā€™s primacy is obviously a matter of divine inspiration.

Wine is very life to human beings
if taken in moderation.
What is life to one who is without wine?
It has been created to make people happy.
(Sirarch 31:27)
 
If you control the alcohol instead of vice-versa, you should be okay. If you are saying or doing things under the influence that you wouldnā€™t normally, then you need to take a serious look at you and the substance.
 
twf said:
In our Catholic tradition it is simply a fact that wine in particular, and beer to a lesser degree, have been given a special place of honour among beverages. This is the Churchā€™s rightā€¦the power of binding and loosing and all that. Wineā€™s primacy is obviously a matter of divine inspiration.

Wine is very life to human beings
if taken in moderation.
What is life to one who is without wine?
It has been created to make people happy.
(Sirarch 31:27)
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I will never understand this.šŸ¤·

But, you are right, it does seem to be a ā€œCatholicā€ thing.
 
Not to derail the thread, but what if the OP had said

ā€œI really like marijuana. Itā€™s a wonderful gift of God and a great way to celebrate with friends and get a bit merry. Of course it has potential for abuse, so itā€™s important to be careful. Iā€™m right now starting to think more seriously about responsible smoking.ā€

I daresay Marijuana yes is much more a wonderful gift of God than beer is lol, and itā€™s true that ALCOHOL is abused and kills and destroys more family and people than marijuana ever good. So to sum up, legalize it. /end of rant
 
chataranga said:
On my way home last year from Fla. to N.y. I saw a sign/billboard in one of the states that I passed through. It read ā€œbuzzed driving is drunk driving.ā€ I think that is a good way to know whether youā€™ve had too much of any alcoholic beverage. If you have a buzz youā€™ve had too much. In our culture what is called social drinking by many is actually alcohol dependency or alcoholism. Blessings to all and stay safe.
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What rubbish. If you drank too much to have a headache the next day but didnā€™t drive a car, went to work and continued on as you normally would if you had not drank too much, whatā€™s the harm? THe harm is in how you respond to drinking, whether a little or alot. If having a hangover is the only thing that results badly from drinking too much, who cares. Itā€™s like if you pigged out on cake and woke up with a splitting stomach ache. It didnā€™t affect your life in any other way; caused no harm that you would want to avoid because your job would be in jeopardy or you might kill someone behind the wheel. Should we find it dangerous someone on occasion stuffs themselves with greasy fries and gummy bears? I know someone who does just that, then works his butt off in the gym to shed the calories. End result = MUCH ado about nothing.
AJ
 
theCrow said:
Not to derail the thread, but what if the OP had said

ā€œI really like marijuana. Itā€™s a wonderful gift of God and a great way to celebrate with friends and get a bit merry. Of course it has potential for abuse, so itā€™s important to be careful. Iā€™m right now starting to think more seriously about responsible smoking.ā€

I daresay Marijuana yes is much more a wonderful gift of God than beer is lol, and itā€™s true that ALCOHOL is abused and kills and destroys more family and people than marijuana ever good. So to sum up, legalize it. /end of rant
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Except that such is not a gift for such a purpose.

Just as other substances of such nature.

2291 The use of drugs inflicts very grave damage on human health and life. Their use, except on strictly therapeutic grounds, is a grave offense. Clandestine production of and trafficking in drugs are scandalous practices. They constitute direct co-operation in evil, since they encourage people to practices gravely contrary to the moral law.

scborromeo.org/ccc/p3s2c2a5.htm#2291
 
Bookcat said:
Except that such is not a gift for such a purpose.

Just as other substances of such nature.

2291 The use of drugs inflicts very grave damage on human health and life. Their use, except on strictly therapeutic grounds, is a grave offense. Clandestine production of and trafficking in drugs are scandalous practices. They constitute direct co-operation in evil, since they encourage people to practices gravely contrary to the moral law.

scborromeo.org/ccc/p3s2c2a5.htm#2291
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Depends on the state/nation, I suppose. Alcohol is forbidden in Islamic countries and some states in India - however, an unjust law, may be ignoredā€¦ šŸ‘
 
SyroMalankara said:
Depends on the state/nation, I suppose. Alcohol is forbidden in Islamic countries and some states in India - however, an unjust law, may be ignoredā€¦ šŸ‘
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Good point and who are we to say children or 18 year olds cannot have access to this ā€œgiftā€

I can see it now. resistance not on the healthcare law but on the religious suppression of those under 21.:rolleyes:šŸ˜ƒ
 
Italy, France, Spain, most of S.America allows 15 yr olds to have wine, and younger with parental supervision.

Marijuana is tolerated for 16+ yrs and above in certain forms in India, Morocco, S. America, most of Europe, and Mexico, and Canada.

I donā€™t know why this is such a big deal to some folksā€¦
 
SyroMalankara said:
Italy, France, Spain, most of S.America allows 15 yr olds to have wine, and younger with parental supervision.

Marijuana is tolerated for 16+ yrs and above in certain forms in India, Morocco, S. America, most of Europe, and Mexico, and Canada.

I donā€™t know why this is such a big deal to some folksā€¦
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Should a Catholic break the unjust law of 21 in the US? Honestly this probably falls under unjust because as has been stated and proven on this thread, alcohol is a Holy thing in view of the Church. God and the tradition of the Church has given it a special place. When will the good Catholics of the world stand up and support freedom of religion as our bishops have asked us to do. Hobby Lobby should require employees to have a cold one on their way into work.
 
Hoosier_Daddy said:
Should a Catholic break the unjust law of 21 in the US? Honestly this probably falls under unjust because as has been stated and proven on this thread, alcohol is a Holy thing in view of the Church. God and the tradition of the Church has given it a special place. When will the good Catholics of the world stand up and support freedom of religion as our bishops have asked us to do. Hobby Lobby should require employees to have a cold one on their way into work.
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:rolleyes:

The law doesnā€™t apply in a religious setting, or under the supervision of parents when no other factor is in play. The law itself has an exception written into it.

Hereā€™s a law that should be on the booksā€¦ the improper and misleading use of labels by US firms when there is nothing authentic or substantial about the label in the product being sold. Get fired up about something worth struggling against.
 
SyroMalankara said:
Marijuana is tolerated for 16+ yrs and above in certain forms in India, Morocco, S. America, most of Europe, and Mexico, and Canada.

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Such would be one of those drugs NOT to partake in. Outside perhaps legit medical use.
 
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