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How much alcohol is too much?

I imagine many people maybe had a bit too much over the festive period in times of celebration or perhaps not but as long as you’re not losing control of yourself or your mind then I would think it was fine.

I mean if you’re blacking out, vomiting, feeling sick or encouraging others to get really drunk, then that’s wrong. You shouldn’t be harming yourself or others but if you’re you know, slightly merry, enjoying merry-making and staying at that level, then it’s not bad in my opinion.

I think there’s a fine line though, it’s quite easy to go over your limit and that’s what you need to manage.
 
Blood_Angel said:
How much alcohol is too much?

I imagine many people maybe had a bit too much over the festive period in times of celebration or perhaps not but as long as you’re not losing control of yourself or your mind then I would think it was fine.

I mean if you’re blacking out, vomiting, feeling sick or encouraging others to get really drunk, then that’s wrong. You shouldn’t be harming yourself or others but if you’re you know, slightly merry, enjoying merry-making and staying at that level, then it’s not bad in my opinion.

I think there’s a fine line though, it’s quite easy to go over your limit and that’s what you need to manage.
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If you even need to ask that question, it means it’s to the point it’s a problem and need help. Alcoholics Anonymous or Alanon is the next step.

aa.org/?Media=PlayFlash AA

al-anon.alateen.org/ Alanon
 
I quit drinking about two years ago and although I don’t think I was ever an alcoholic I used to drink a lot of beer and wine and even when I was not drunk or even drinking I think all that beer affected the decisions that I made. When I look back on some of the things that I thought and said and especially the time that I wasted I wish I would have quit a lot sooner.
 
Drinking enough and ending up doing things that you wouldn’t not do while sober is drinking too much.
 
Baloo said:
Drinking enough and ending up doing things that you wouldn’t not do while sober is drinking too much.
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What I’m asking is what if you’re not that drunk. It’s still drunk, but not that drunk.
 
well i personally don’t like alcohol so i don’t drink.

if you want to be on the safe side though, follow the amounts permitted for safe driving

or else the amounts recommended by the food guides.

besides that, i don’t really know how much is too much though. and it will vary from person to person based on a number of factors
 
ClearWater said:
If you even need to ask that question, it means it’s to the point it’s a problem and need help. Alcoholics Anonymous or Alanon is the next step.

aa.org/?Media=PlayFlash AA

al-anon.alateen.org/ Alanon
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Simply asking the question does not merit such a blanket response. If the OP is constantly walking the fine line described, maybe there is a problem.

To the OP, the fine line you describe is coming too close to being a problem and may be a near occasion of sin because it’s easy to cross that fine line. Best, in my opinion, to know how much you can drink (weight and number of drinks) to stay legal and stick to that limit. If someone cannot handle that responsibility they shouldn’t drink at all. Never, ever drink and drive. If someone is unable to make merry without alcohol on board, there may be a problem and following Clearwater’s advice may be in order.
 
It’s not about how much one drinks but what happens when they do. As has been stated, if you are asking whether drinking is a problem, it is.

Secondly, it’s not about the drinking. The drinking is a symptom dealing with a deeper condition of spiritual mental and physical origins. To stop drinking one needs to deal with the underlying issues.

That’s what the 12 steps put into an actionable plan.

There are also outwardly Christian programs out such as Celebrate Recovery or Reformers Unanimous.

Good Luck.
 
Answer YES or NO to the following questions. (Keep the final number to yourself. I’ll give the solution in a bit)
  1. Do you lose time from work due to drinking?
    YES __ NO __
  2. Is drinking making your home life unhappy?
    YES __ NO __
  3. Do you drink because you are shy with other people?
    YES __ NO __
  4. Is your drinking affecting your reputation?
    YES __ NO __
  5. Have you ever felt guilt or remorse after drinking?
    YES __ NO __
  6. Have you ever got into financial difficulties as a result of drinking?
    YES __ NO __
  7. Do you turn to lower companions and an inferior environment when drinking?
    YES __ NO __
  8. Does your drinking make you careless of your family’s welfare?
    YES __ NO __
  9. Has your ambition decreased since drinking?
    YES __ NO __
  10. Do you crave a drink at a definite time?
    YES __ NO __
  11. Do you crave a drink at a definite time?
    YES __ NO __
  12. Do you want a drink the next morning?
    YES __ NO __
  13. Does drinking cause you to have difficulty in sleeping?
    YES __ NO __
  14. Has your efficiency decreased since drinking?
    YES __ NO __
  15. Is drinking jeopardizing your job or business?
    YES __ NO __
  16. Do you drink to escape from worries or trouble?
    YES __ NO __
  17. Do you drink alone?
    YES __ NO __
  18. Have you ever had a complete loss of memory as a result of drinking?
    YES __ NO __
  19. Has your physician ever treated you for drinking?
    YES __ NO __
  20. Do you drink to build up your self-confidence?
    YES __ NO __
  21. Have you ever been to a hospital or institution because of drinking?
    YES __ NO __
What’s your score?
 
ChurchSoldier said:
Answer YES or NO to the following questions. (Keep the final number to yourself. I’ll give the solution in a bit)
  1. Do you lose time from work due to drinking?
    YES __ NO __
  2. Is drinking making your home life unhappy?
    YES __ NO __
  3. Do you drink because you are shy with other people?
    YES __ NO __
  4. Is your drinking affecting your reputation?
    YES __ NO __
  5. Have you ever felt guilt or remorse after drinking?
    YES __ NO __
  6. Have you ever got into financial difficulties as a result of drinking?
    YES __ NO __
  7. Do you turn to lower companions and an inferior environment when drinking?
    YES __ NO __
  8. Does your drinking make you careless of your family’s welfare?
    YES __ NO __
  9. Has your ambition decreased since drinking?
    YES __ NO __
  10. Do you crave a drink at a definite time?
    YES __ NO __
  11. Do you crave a drink at a definite time?
    YES __ NO __
  12. Do you want a drink the next morning?
    YES __ NO __
  13. Does drinking cause you to have difficulty in sleeping?
    YES __ NO __
  14. Has your efficiency decreased since drinking?
    YES __ NO __
  15. Is drinking jeopardizing your job or business?
    YES __ NO __
  16. Do you drink to escape from worries or trouble?
    YES __ NO __
  17. Do you drink alone?
    YES __ NO __
  18. Have you ever had a complete loss of memory as a result of drinking?
    YES __ NO __
  19. Has your physician ever treated you for drinking?
    YES __ NO __
  20. Do you drink to build up your self-confidence?
    YES __ NO __
  21. Have you ever been to a hospital or institution because of drinking?
    YES __ NO __
What’s your score?
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I just tried this out for fun and my score was 2.

I suspect this will be one of those “1 is too high!” tests, but whatever. There’s a huge difference in the seriousness of some of these questions.
 
Blood_Angel said:
Really though?
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Nonsense. Americans simply don’t understand drinking, don’t worry about it.

I’ve asked several priests about it in confession (I will admit I do like a drink) and the consistent answer seems to be that if you’re out socialising with friends and you get drunk as a result, then so long as your motivation was social and enjoying the company of friends (rather than going out with a deliberate specific intention of getting hammered) then its no big deal. Actions subsequently carried out while drunk are a different matter and may be sinful in their own right.

God gave us many gifts to enjoy, alcohol is one of them.
 
*What’s your score?

If you have answered YES to any one of the questions, there is a definite warning that you may be an alcoholic.

If you have answered YES to any two, the chances are that you are an alcoholic.

If you answered YES to three or more, you are definitely an alcoholic.

(It has been said that these test questions were once used at Johns Hopkins University Hospital, Baltimore, MD, in deciding whether or not a patient is an alcoholic.).*

One of the issues with a drinking problem is that alcohol (or food, shopping, gambling, other drugs or choose your behavior…) tells you it’s the solution when it’s really the problem.

Here’s the concept. Someone has a problem if they continue a behavior despite increasing negative consequences.

I know it’s kind of hard. I’m not saying anyone needs to stop anything or that any particular person has a problem, just educating because I deal with a lot of people who struggle with these things.
 
Nonsense. Americans simply don’t understand drinking, don’t worry about it.
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I’ve never been to the UK but I lived in Germany for a few years and got the chance to observe plenty of your countrymen in action and a arrogant sloppy drunk limey doesn’t look much different then a drunk American even with his culturally superior more advanced understanding of drinking. What was all that “Black Friday” business I just read about before Christmas? Is that what it looks like when you “understand drinking”?

😛
 
ChurchSoldier said:
*What’s your score?

If you have answered YES to any one of the questions, there is a definite warning that you may be an alcoholic.

If you have answered YES to any two, the chances are that you are an alcoholic.

If you answered YES to three or more, you are definitely an alcoholic.

(It has been said that these test questions were once used at Johns Hopkins University Hospital, Baltimore, MD, in deciding whether or not a patient is an alcoholic.).*

One of the issues with a drinking problem is that alcohol (or food, shopping, gambling, other drugs or choose your behavior…) tells you it’s the solution when it’s really the problem.

Here’s the concept. Someone has a problem if they continue a behavior despite increasing negative consequences.

I know it’s kind of hard. I’m not saying anyone needs to stop anything or that any particular person has a problem, just educating because I deal with a lot of people who struggle with these things.
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Oh please! That test cannot diagnose someone a alcoholic. Lots of people have a slight problem with booze at one point in their life but get over it, without any special help. 12 steppers think everyone Is a potential alcoholic if they have had one bad experience with alcohol!
 
If you find you need to count your drinks, you probably have a problem.

I helped out, briefly, in substance abuse, and NOBODY ever thought they had a problem. I asked the counselor if anybody ever comes through that door admitting they had a problem. She said, “No!”

We had one guy who had been arrested several times and more. Didn’t think he had a problem! She showed at his current rate of usage how many holes he’d probably have in his brain! He didn’t care he might have holes in his brain!
 
The first area affected by alcohol is the prefrontal cortex, which controls judgement. That’s why alcohol’s so dangerous. People think they’re fine, but their judgement if “off”.
 
ClearWater said:
If you find you need to count your drinks, you probably have a problem.
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I believe that alcoholism is a disease, I believe that most alcoholics are in denial and I believe in the 12 step programs, I’ve seen them work with family members. So I’m not trying to disagree with you on any of that.

I don’t agree with you about the counting drinks thing, though. Lots of people count calories, it doesn’t necessarily mean that they have an eating problem. It’s just that there’s a certain amount of calories that they’ve decided not to exceed (for whatever reason) and being aware of your consumption helps. Sure, they might overeat if they weren’t paying attention – so they do pay attention, and thus avoid the overeating.

So if you drink from time to time, and you find that 4 drinks in a night is a tad too much for you (nothing crazy, just makes you a bit queasy let’s say), then it makes perfect sense to limit yourself to 3 drinks or less at a time. It seems quite possible that one could have 4 or 5 drinks over the course of a night and not remember the exact number. So it makes sense to pay attention, no?

I just think the counting thing is pretty darn weak when compared to more obvious indications: drinking before work or before operating a motor vehicle, getting sick/hospitalized from it, feeling shaky without a drink, getting in fights, breaking the law, adultery/one night stands, causing serious rifts in relationships, etc.
 
Blood_Angel said:
How much alcohol is too much?

I imagine many people maybe had a bit too much over the festive period in times of celebration or perhaps not but as long as you’re not losing control of yourself or your mind then I would think it was fine.

I mean if you’re blacking out, vomiting, feeling sick or encouraging others to get really drunk, then that’s wrong. You shouldn’t be harming yourself or others but if you’re you know, slightly merry, enjoying merry-making and staying at that level, then it’s not bad in my opinion.

I think there’s a fine line though, it’s quite easy to go over your limit and that’s what you need to manage.
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this is not a simple question you must know yourself, how alcohol affects you, and what you are about to do.

is it sinful to have a couple glasses of wine with dinner no far from it, could it be for someone who is an alcoholic possibly.

how many beers are to much? it depends on the person. I’m tall and weigh over 200 pounds 2 beers isn’t going to have the same effect on my short friend who weighs under 150 and doesn’t drink that much.

It’s all about moderation and knowing yourself. If you know that when you drink your 3rd or 4th beer you being to change your behavior then stop after two beers.
 
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