Alfie Evans has died

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I just liked because I agree with the sentiment, but do not condone the death penalty.
 
I disagree with it 99% of instances. When an authority acts heinously I’m for it. It’s how you keep them in check.
 
Londoner said:
Sometimes an independent judiciary really is best placed to make decisions where family members and medical experts are irreconcilably opposed about a patient’s treatment. Unsurprisingly, they usually find that medical experts really do know best when it comes to decisions about patient care.
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What would you say of medical experts in Italy who disagree with the hospital’s assessment? It looks like the justices considered only the latter.
 
The rights of parents are not absolute. There are instances in which parents try to make decisions that are not in the best interests of their children.
 
I only support the state intervening if the parents abuse the kid. “Best interest” can be used to justify all sorts of abuse on the part of the authorities. Ultimately, parents know their kids best. The authorities can bug off.
 
You seriously advocate the death penalty for judges who make decisions you don’t agree with? You would happily see the President of the Supreme Court of the United Kingdom hanged because she made a judgement you didn’t like? That really does lead to tyranny.
 
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It was because the danger from flying (seizures from being moved, different air pressure, general stress and bright lights triggering seizures) far outweighed any benefit, as the hospitals concerned were only going to do the same things as Alder Hey were doing already i.e. keeping him comfortable. It would have been inflicting stress and possibly pain for no reason

There was no cure, so no actual treatment possible.
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Certain death vs. even the slimmest chance of recovery at a Vatican hospital.

Regardless, it’s reprehensible that a court decided that parents couldn’t seek out additional treatment. It’s one thing for one hospital to refuse to provide further treatment- it’s another to tell a family that, “No, you aren’t allowed to take him somewhere that’s willing to treat him”.
 
blackforest said:
What would you say of medical experts in Italy who disagree with the hospital’s assessment?
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This is a myth. The Italian doctors visited him in Liverpool and discussed the case with the doctors there and they also concluded that his condition was “irreversible and untreatable”. At best, they could have kept him alive artificially for longer, but it would have been futile.
 
Like I said…he was not suffering and its not for strangers to determine how one should die.This court that indeeds governs you and was created BY the Government as you know it has no right to determine when health care avenues are exhausted. They are infringing on liberty for the sake of power and its absolutely disgusting. And the judges are human beings-of course they are biased! Tell me which one of the judges you venerate so much is like St.Thomas More? Its a sad state when English Catholics are more beholden to an oligarchy than the Church’s teachings.
 
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We keep hearing that parents “know” their children best. I don’t think that extends to the field of neurology.
 
It is common sense. Bureaucrats don’t raise your children: you do.
 
Once again, it really is amusing watching Socialists twist themselves into pretzels trying to gain the moral high ground.

Parents raise children;not villages.

I guess England is just backwards when it comes to freedom. America will probably have to bail them out of another World War.
 
While it’s true that the Supreme Court was created by the Government, it largely inherited the judicial functions of the House of Lords, which long predates the government of the day. The British legal system has evolved over a period of hundreds of years, perhaps a millennium or longer. Our judges are strongly independent people who occasionally have to step in to make very difficult decisions based on expert evidence. You clearly seem to be one of those people who has a fundamental problem with the principle of the state having any authority over its citizens. And for what it’s worth, the English and Welsh bishops issued a statement saying that the hospital’s treatment plan for the end of Alfie’s life was perfectly in accordance with Catholic doctrine. But you may be somebody who distrusts the bishops too.
 
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Londoner:
Our judges have no political biases, explicit or implicit;
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Respectfully, this is impossible unless one is a robot or sociopath. We’re not only wired with biases, and the temptation to act on them is always extant.
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Londoner, thank you for the best laugh I have had this month.
 
Londoner said:
While it’s true that the Supreme Court was created by the Government, it largely inherited the judicial functions of the House of Lords, which long predates the government of the day. The British legal system has evolved over a period of hundreds of years, perhaps a millennium or longer. Our judges are strongly independent people who occasionally have to step in to make very difficult decisions based on expert evidence. You clearly seem to be one of those people who has a fundamental problem with the principle of the state having any authority over its citizens. And for what it’s worth, the English and Welsh bishops issued a statement saying that the hospital’s treatment plan for the end of Alfie’s life was perfectly in accordance with Catholic doctrine. But you may be somebody who distrusts the bishops too.
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I guess you must be someone who distrusts the Pope.
 
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