Alfie Evans is being murdered

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23 month old Alfie Evans is being murdered by the British state.

30 police officers are defending the room because protesters earlier tried to storm the hospital to save the child.

The Italian government granted the child citizenship but the British government ignored this.

Pope Francis directed the Vatican Secretary of State to do all he could to save the child but it was for naught.

There was a hospital in the Vatican able to at the least provide comfort for the child if they couldn’t save the child. Instead the child is suffocating to death in agony.

No Anglican bishop spoke against this. No secular organisation spoke against this. The judges of Britain and the EU sentenced the child to death. The only support for the child came from American evangelicals (Lord bless them), the Italian government (may God bless Italy) and our Holy Church under her shepherd Pope Francis (Lord preserve him from error).

The British state has by this and, the earlier murder of Charlie Gard, proven itself to be a second Herod. Make no mistake, the spirit of antichrist was acting in Britain today.

What makes this worse is that they even dared to kill the child on a holy day; the feast day of St George, Patron Saint of England, was today.

Kyrie Eleison.
 
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I can’t believe this. This is exactly why people stormed the hospital. The British government went outside of its bounds and decided that it knew better than this child’s parents what should be done with him. Absolutely disgusting.
 
They cannot send him to Rome for treatment. That would reveal their real motive is financial, not mercy. Don’t get me wrong. The expense and availability of medical care is a real issue, but they should call it what it is.

Just to be clear, removing a person from a ventilator is not objectively sinful though. It is not like removing feeding tubes and hydration, which are considered ordinary care.
 
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Just to be clear, removing a person from a ventilator is not objectively sinful though. It is not like removing feeding tubes and hydration, which are considered ordinary care.
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Oh, we could’ve kept my grandfather alive for days or even longer. However, he was unconscious and dying from leukemia. He had no chance of recovery. We kept him comfortable and he passed away peacefully.
 
And yet the 96 year old duke gets a hip replacement. Something a little out of balance.
 
One of the reasons I’m proud to be Catholic is that we stick up for the weak and sick. This poor child is being murdered. The OP is exactly right.
 
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Oh, we could’ve kept my grandfather alive for days or even longer. However, he was unconscious and dying from leukemia. He had no chance of recovery. We kept him comfortable and he passed away peacefully.
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Taking someone off a ventilator is not killing them, as a ventilator is considered extraordinary care. I see two serious problems in this case though. First, the parents, the ones who should have the right to make such a decision, are not allowed to make that decision. Second, I am troubled by the phrase “semi-vegetative state,” as opposed to brain dead.

If Pope Francis has weighed in on this, I would think he has more information than me, of course.
 
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My guess is that the hospital has been footing the bill here… If the parents were wealthy, they would’ve gone to another country and paid for everything. Unfortunately, it still doesn’t appear that his recovery would’ve been possible. They should send him home on Hospice. If there’s anything else going on, it’s NOT clear from the article :man_shrugging:t2:
 
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You may like to read up a little on the position being taken by the Catholic bishops of England and Wales, e.g. “Criticisms of Alfie Evans hospital are ‘unfounded’, say bishops”. The Holy Father himself has been very cautious in what he has said. Reading his words carefully, it seems that he is trying to achieve a delicate balance that affirms Catholic teaching while addressing the concerns of Alfie’s parents in a pastoral and sensitive manner.

As for Charlie Gard, I believe that Catholic commentators were unanimous in affirming that the course of treatment recommended by the medical experts and upheld by the judges was in no way contrary to orthodox Catholic teaching.

Unfortunately, there are some tragic cases in which there really is nothing that can be done to extend life or improve quality of life. In those cases it sadly is probably best that that person be allowed to die.

By the way, you are wrong to bring the EU into this. You are mistaking the European Court of Human Rights for the European Court of Justice. The European Court of Human Rights is separate from the European Union. Rather, it is a court responsible for interpreting and upholding the European Convention on Human Rights, whose signatories are subject to the jurisdiction of the court. Those countries make up the Council of Europe. All members of the EU are members of the Council of Europe, but not all members of the Council of Europe are members of the EU. Judges of the EU, as you call them, therefore have nothing to do with this case. They are judges of the European Court of Human Rights/47 member states of the Council of Europe.
 
Act 22
22 Up to this point they listened to him, but then they shouted, “Away with such a fellow from the earth! For he should not be allowed to live.” 23 And while they were shouting, throwing off their cloaks, and tossing dust into the air, 24 the tribune directed that he was to be brought into the barracks, and ordered him to be examined by flogging, to find out the reason for this outcry against him. 25 But when they had tied him up with thongs, Paul said to the centurion who was standing by, “Is it legal for you to flog a Roman citizen who is uncondemned?” 26 When the centurion heard that, he went to the tribune and said to him, “What are you about to do? This man is a Roman citizen.” 27 The tribune came and asked Paul, “Tell me, are you a Roman citizen?” And he said, “Yes.” 28 The tribune answered, “It cost me a large sum of money to get my citizenship.” Paul said, “But I was born a citizen.” 29 Immediately those who were about to examine him drew back from him; and the tribune also was afraid, for he realized that Paul was a Roman citizen and that he had bound him.

“Civis romanus sum”
 
Seriously… the kid is a dead kid laying there. Sorry, but it’s true. This reminds me of the contest two hospitals had wherein they were trying to see how long they could keep a triploid “human” alive. At some point, you have to recognize that the end is night and move on. My thought on it is to give the kid enough morphine/fentanyl/whatever so that he is not cognizant of what is going on and let nature take its course.
 
It should be up to the parents to make the decision of what kind of care- if any- to provide their child. Not a group of lawmakers, not a judge.
 
Lord, God Almighty, so many things are wrong. Alfie will be inyour hands, unless You perform a miracle. I don’t need it, to know You’re there. But, Alfie needs it to live. He was found to have a mitochondrial deficiency. The new treatment was dietary?? Did he get it? You can heal mitochondrial deficiencies. What are we to learn here? You send us special children to help us to learn to love big. His life is teaching us something? All we can do now, is trust You to do what is best for Alfie. It would be cool, if You could do what is best for the World. Heal him! Jesus touch him. Holy Spirit fill him. Let the Father be glorified. Let the world believe for 1 brief moment. Unite us in joy.
Loving You regardless and always!
Your child
Tweedlealice
 
St. Pope John Paul II the Great pray for Alfie, the parents, the hospital staff and the courts.
 
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