Aliens and demons?

[Monica4316]

I was wondering, what do you all think of this article??
cassiopaea.org/cass/demons.htm
do you think it is far fetched or could it be true?
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(by the way, parts of it are really disturbing so please don’t read if you are easily disturbed.)**

I’m asking this question because the article really confused me… on one hand the author is saying that many of the “alien abductions” that we hear about are actually demonic. That makes sense, when you think about what happens in those “abductions”. One clue from the article is this… in some of the abductions, the “alien” rapes the victim. The early Church Fathers believed that the Nephilim are the children of human women and fallen angels (who took on a physical form). It might be that this is what is happening now as well, only on a lesser scale. I dont know. I can see how all this sounds very silly and far fetched. I’m not saying I believe it… . I just don’t really know WHAT to think.

But there are two things that really confused me. One, - the author sometimes seems to suggest that the demons actually are aliens… meaning that what we call demons are creatures of superhuman intelligence that live on other planets. I don’t think that’s really true because demons are fallen angels, and the Bible says angels are spirits without bodies and they are from Heaven. But I found other articles that say that “Heaven” could also be “the heavens”, as in, the sky… and they cite writings of ancient civilizations where they apparently saw UFOs and were taught by “aliens”. These are apparently the same civilizations that had the Nephilim. Another article said he saw a type of “alien” that looks like a dragon/serpent and that’s what the devil is described as. Then there’s this YouTube video which sounds like a conspiracy theory but I don’t know what to think of it… it talks about how some crashed UFOs were found. Anyways… after reading allll this information, I began to feel tempted to think that what we call “demons” actually are evil aliens and not spirits… and I think that’s really not the Christian belief and perhaps a dangerous temptation. And now the devil is using it to attempt to destroy my faith in God. I still think that demons are fallen angels and angels are spiritual beings as it says in Scripture. Christ often spoke of “evil spirits” referring to demons. But when I think of all those articles, i feel confused. I really shouldn’t have read them.

Another part that distrurbed me is this excerpt from a book… it’s about a demon possessed woman who thinks she’s in contact with an alien, who she calls the Lady. But the part where she takes on the appearance of Mary in a false apparition really affected me… I felt afraid afterwards that all the apparitions of Mary that we know are actually demonic. Maybe it’s just the way it’s written…

“She puts the robe around me and then my mind separates from my body. I can look back and see it lying there. Then we go up through the ceiling, pop out the roof, and fly into space. One night the Lady took me back in time. We were in a foreign country and the people wore old- fashioned clothes. The Lady took on the appearance of a beautiful woman in a blue robe. She performed miracles for them…”

Suddenly Ann’s face turned ashen and she asked to be excused. Her scream of pain was heard from the bathroom where she had taken refuge. When Ann came out, she was sniffling and holding her abdomen. The Lady had savagely attacked her for revealing that down through history, creatures like the Lady have taken the form of saints. They then use the gullibility of humankind to misguide and misinform people so that they believe they are seeing miracles performed. Ann begged the newsman to delete that portion of the interview." (Osborn, 1982)

Maybe this quote is simply describing a false demonic apparition of Mary… it doesn’t mean there are no real ones. And the “Lady” in the article is described as someone who hates God, hates when Ann prays, etc. All of the accepted apparitions of Mary mention prayer, Christ, etc… and they have good fruit… whereas this clearly has bad fruit. But for some reason, when I read this quote, I just felt really afraid that ALL the apparitions that have ever happened are false. Is that what it is saying??? or am I not understanding it?

The whole article just really disturbed me and I was wondering if anyone has any information or thoughts on this.

(BY THE WAY… I wanted to clarify that I DO believe all this is actually demonic. It’s just another way the devil is trying to lead us astray. Almost all the people who have these alien “encounters” end up in insane asylums or start some sort of false religion).

 

[TheQuestioner]

Almost all the people who have these alien “encounters” end up in insane asylums or start some sort of false religion

Yep, that pretty much sums up these stories. Don’t take these stories at face value. Look up critics on these authors and their books. I’m quite sure you’ll eventually that many of these tales are written by “crazies”.

The “old hag riding that guy” thing is actually not that uncommon. It happens, some ancient cultures have this kind of legend. It’s something that happens when people are dreaming, but awake (like night terrors), so it has a scientific explanation. It’s not alien, it’s not even demonic.

Maybe this quote is simply describing a false demonic apparition of Mary… it doesn’t mean there are no real ones. And the “Lady” in the article is described as someone who hates God, hates when Ann prays, etc. All of the accepted apparitions of Mary mention prayer, Christ, etc… and they have good fruit… whereas this clearly has bad fruit. But for some reason, when I read this quote, I just felt really afraid that ALL the apparitions that have ever happened are false. Is that what it is saying??? or am I not understanding it?

ah! There’s that word again. Your human nature will rebel because the fact that this information is new makes it enticing, even if it makes little sense. Don’t be fooled, you know that this “Lady”, if real, was a demon, or this girl who was possessed was a “crazy”, or the author was a “crazy”. It’s as simple as that. Don’t beat yourself up for having a brief doubt. You have a sinful nature, how could you not? Thank God that it wasn’t worse and ask Him to help you to have a stronger faith.

 

[Monica4316]

Thanks for the reply! It’s just that I really feel like this has turned into a very strong temptation… it takes so much effort just to keep believing. I can see how the enemy has been trying to destroy my faith for several months now and this is just a continuation of that. It’s frightening because in the past, whenever I was tempted to doubt, a part of me always just KNEW that Christianity is real. This is the first time I actually don’t feel any faith and it’s all an effort of the will. I’m praying the Rosary now and I hope this will help. I think one of the ways I get tempted is the devil suggests things to me that make a lot of sense, and I let them into my mind, and then it’s hard for me to imagine anything different. I feel like right now, only my will is free:shrug: it’s really annoying, I don’t know why this is happening. Ever since I read that article, I’ve been struggling. And I read it when I was already struggling with something else and felt far from God.

The reason I think this is a temptation from the enemy is because articles like that don’t shake my faith on their own. I’ve read lots of similar things that didn’t affect me at all. But this time, it’s like the enemy is using it against me. Maybe it’s because when I read it I wasn’t very strong spiritually. I really wish I never came across that article.

thanks for your help God bless.

 

[TheQuestioner]

Pray for faith (Lord I believe, help me in my unbelief) and pray for a closer relationship with Mother Mary. Maybe the enemy sees that your relationship with Mary is a source of strength, and so is attacking that with this whole “Lady” stuff to weaken you some more.

Try not to worry and go to bed at a good hour. Sleep, in the morning you’ll feel better.

 

[Monica4316]

I will pray please pray for me too.

I think one of the things that keeps on bringing me back to doubt is that I can’t figure this out… I don’t have any answers. Can all those stories about aliens be explained as demonic or psychological in origin? I saw a video of a talk about aliens and the speaker didn’t seem psychologically inbalanced… is it all deception? I’m leaning towards that, just because of the effect all these thoughts have on me. Bad fruit, bad tree. The truth would not lead someone further from God, only towards Him.

 

[TheQuestioner]

I will pray please pray for me too.

I think one of the things that keeps on bringing me back to doubt is that I can’t figure this out… I don’t have any answers. Can all those stories about aliens be explained as demonic or psychological in origin? I saw a video of a talk about aliens and the speaker didn’t seem psychologically inbalanced… is it all deception? I’m leaning towards that, just because of the effect all these thoughts have on me. Bad fruit, bad tree. The truth would not lead someone further from God, only towards Him.

It doesn’t have to necessarily be demonic or psychological. Although I think some are, I would bet my money most are just lies by people who want to sell books and get publicity. Some people are very good liars, and liars cry too (so crying isn’t an indication that they are telling the truth).

 

[Monica4316]

It doesn’t have to necessarily be demonic or psychological. Although I think some are, I would bet my money most are just lies by people who want to sell books and get publicity. Some people are very good liars, and liars cry too (so crying isn’t an indication that they are telling the truth).

Of course, that is also a possibility.

I feel better now after having prayed and held on to my faith, by God’s grace… I think that if all this was true, it wouldn’t become such a temptation for me, and it wouldn’t lead me further from God just by thinking about it. I think the effects prove its origin. (that it’s a lie). What I’m referring to is the idea that there are no demons, and no angels… the part about demonic possession could be true in some cases.

 

[puzzleannie]

I never follow links to sites and articles unless I know what they are. Is the site a legitimate one offering sound Catholic teaching? then it is a waste of time to even consider its content. far better to spend one’s time exploring authentic Catholic teaching on angels and demons. Peter Kreeft’s book on the topic is a great place to start. I doubt very much you will find any hoo-hah about “alien abductions”, but rather the truth about demonic possession. Fr. Gabriel Amorth’s books are also the real deal.

 

[poor_clare]

You need to concentrate on something else. If you keep thinking about it, you’re leaving the door ajar. Try to think about things that give you peace. Good and evil exist. God is with you. Don’t let evil trouble your mind.

God bless
Clare

 

[MarianD]

I felt afraid afterwards that all the apparitions of Mary that we know are actually demonic. Maybe it’s just the way it’s written…

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The whole article just really disturbed me and I was wondering if anyone has any information or thoughts on this.

I don’t know about the demons = aliens thing. Perhaps you’ve got it backwards. Maybe it’s not that demons are actually aliens, but that aliens are actually demons. I don’t know though. But the Bible doesn’t say all angels are body-less spirits. In Ezekiel, for example, the Prophet Ezekiel saw a vision of the Heavens and of Christ on His Throne. He described the angels with their bodies.

But in regards to what I quoted from your post, just remember the words of Christ:

“Any kingdom divided against itself will be ruined, and a house divided against itself will fall” (Luke 11:17). He said this in response to the Pharisees’ claims that He (Christ) drove out demons in the name of Satan.

How can this apply to your concerns? Well, any apparition of Mother Mary that is true will not say anything against Christ, against the Church, or against the Faith. Any apparition that is false will try to stray you away from these three things or try to get you to form a break-away group or a heretical set of beliefs. The approved Apparitions have been rigorously tested for these things by the Church and the people it assigns to the issue. You can trust that approved Marian Apparitions were actual appearances of our Blessed Mother.

 

[NotReligous]

Aliens…Those things always crack me up. I am not going to go in to any depth here, but to sum it up, the shear stupidity, false logic, improbability and so many other things regarding the aliens have pretty much convinced me that they are completely false…

I am not even going to give any stupid alien examples, just going to point out that the probability of another life form coming in contact with us is sooo small (and also getting here pretty much unnoticed etc.), that it is really is nothing to worry about…

 

[Monica4316]

Thanks everyone! well after some prayer I decided that these “aliens” are either made up, or demons in disguise. I don’t want to lose my faith over something like this, or at all, especially after everything God has done in my life and showed me the truth. Also these thoughts give me a lot of anxiety so I don’t think they are from God.

 

[Dsivanish]

There was a book out, 10 years ago at least, and the plot was that a believer was ‘abducted’ by ‘aliens’ who took him on a trip through time where the ‘aliens’ appeared to Druids and groups like that, posing as their gods. The ‘aliens’ turned out to be demons.
I wish I remembered the name of the book.

 

[Monica4316]

There was a book out, 10 years ago at least, and the plot was that a believer was ‘abducted’ by ‘aliens’ who took him on a trip through time where the ‘aliens’ appeared to Druids and groups like that, posing as their gods. The ‘aliens’ turned out to be demons.
I wish I remembered the name of the book.

that is interesting, do you remember how they found out that they were demons?

I believe that this is the case with false private revelations and false apparitions too…but I also believe there are real apparitions, the ones that had good ‘fruit’ and brought people to Christ. For example,because of Our Lady of Guadalupe, many people became Christians. Before they were Aztecs, I think, who worshipped demons. The devil would never do this.

 

[Dsivanish]

Im diligently looking for the book, which I guess is closer to 20 years old, than 10. Google is not helping. I only remember the gist of the book, which I didnt keep but gave away.

 

[Monica4316]

Im diligently looking for the book, which I guess is closer to 20 years old, than 10. Google is not helping. I only remember the gist of the book, which I didnt keep but gave away.

Dsivanish, thank you! It’s alright if you don’t find it, don’t worry! I appreciate your help, God bless.

 

[Dsivanish]

I had to give up the search, for a while anyway. My advice would be to hold the demon/alien thing in an open hand. As in, maybe it is maybe it isnt, not directly important to your relationship to the Father.

I do remember reading A Skeleton in God’s Closet right around the time I read the other book, though.

 

[MagsM]

Monica4316:

I was wondering, what do you all think of this article??
cassiopaea.org/cass/demons.htm do you think it is far fetched or could it be true?

Hi Monica,
It is interesting to think outside the box once in a while. I never really thought about aliens being demons. As far as the actual article, I really have no idea if it is true, but it is interesting that there are many people with the same experience. Once in a while, the thought strikes me that perhaps angels or the heavenly host could be considered as aliens. There is some interesting phraseology in the bible which makes one go ‘huh’ when considering it, but as there is no proof for an argument for or against, I usually end up dismissing it. Technically speaking, for argument’s sake, I suppose anything not inherently born on earth is an alien from a human’s perspective.

Monica4316:

But I found other articles that say that “Heaven” could also be “the heavens”, as in, the sky, and they cite writings of ancient civilizations where they apparently saw UFOs and were taught by “aliens”. These are apparently the same civilizations that had the Nephilim.

It is scriptural that the term “heavens” can refer both to the skies as well as God’s abode. In 2 Cor 12, Paul specifically refers to the ‘third heaven’ which could lead one to believe there is more than one heaven, or hierarchy of heaven. Satan was also cast down from heaven, and according to Eph 6:12, we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the cosmic powers over this present darkness, against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly places. But I’m guessing that these heavens is not where Jesus’ throne is. The bible is rather sketchy in details about where the fathers of the Nephilim came from. That is one of those passages that make me go

Monica4316:

But for some reason, when I read this quote, I just felt really afraid that ALL the apparitions that have ever happened are false. Is that what it is saying??? or am I not understanding it? The whole article just really disturbed me and I was wondering if anyone has any information or thoughts on this.

Well, we are not obligated to believe in any Marion apparition, we are allowed free choice in this matter according to the church. But since you asked, I don’t think this writing was asserting ownership of all apparitions and made them ALL patently false. However, since they have no bearing on salvation and I’ve no proof on them, I personally don’t put too much emphasis on or attention to them.

(BY THE WAY… I wanted to clarify that I DO believe all this is actually demonic. It’s just another way the devil is trying to lead us astray. Almost all the people who have these alien “encounters” end up in insane asylums or start some sort of false religion).

LOL. I can see why they’d go crazy if they cannot discuss their supernatural experiences with someone else who’s had the same thing happen. I have not had an ET experience, nor know anyone who’s asserted to have one, but just because some people do not have experience with it or an explanation for it does not mean it does not exist. (I love the line in the Jodie Foster movie “Contact” when they discuss whether there is other life in the universe “If there isn’t, it’s an awful waste of space.” ) I don’t think the bible is explicit on it, so I would refer to Aquinas to see if clarification exists. This is a article unav.es/cryf/english/extraterrestriallife.html from which I’ve quoted a few pertinent points below, but apparently Aquinas does not conclude one way or the other on the ET topic.
Referring to Aquinas teachings:

“Aquinas indicates that the fact that Scripture does not mention some being is not a reason to conclude that it does not exist. ….

Knowledge of extraterrestrials is of no more concern for the faith than knowledge about animated celestial bodies is. It belongs to science, and not to faith to catalogue the different beings in the material universe. Moreover, just as untimely knowledge concerning angels was apt to pose an obstacle to the faith of early uneducated believers, this could also be the case with ETs, on the supposition that they exist…

The specific manner in which he envisages ETs does not suggest any conflict with scripture since that sort of ET would be ranked with the angels….

Aquinas explicitly denies that it is probable that other human-type bodies exist, for the reason noted above. There are two other probable arguments that can be drawn from Aquinas, one against and one in favor of the existence of other human-like creatures. On the one hand, the human species would reflect God’s goodness in a special way by being unique, while on the other hand, it is befitting to God’s goodness that he create more of better creatures. Aquinas leans in the direction of the former view, but realizes that the latter could in fact be the case. And by doing so, he gives us an example of the circumspection that this matter demands.”

Don’t know if that helps at all, but it’s interesting to consider. Peace to you dear Monica. :heaven:

 

[Jesness]

I kinda wondered about that too. It’s creepy, no? Anyway, aliens vs demons remains to be seen, but one thing is for certain, the anxiety it’s causing you is definitely temptation. I had similar temptations after watching a very poorly picked documentary about alien abduction.
Always hold on to Christ! There’s nothing deceptive about His love. I’ll pray for you.

 

[Monica4316]

thank you!

I feel better now about this, I do think it was a dangerous temptation because it lead me further from God… I don’t really feel it anymore but it was very difficult to get over. I’m glad that God helped me

I guess it’s easy to have those thoughts after reading or watching about alien abductions

God bless :hug1: