Aliens and UFO'S

[DanielStDominic]

Denial of the tricks by Satan just won’t cut it.

In order to deny something that is a trick of satan, one first has to establish whether or not it is actually a trick of his, or whether it is something else entirely.

After all, this discussion is purely theoretical on your part. You believe that UFOs and ETs are best explained as being a demonic deception. That’s perfectly legitimate, and I myself think certain encounters are demonic as well. But it’s important to distinguish a personal hypothesis from objective truth.

 

[edwest2]

Personally, I think Aliens and UFOS are demonic. Demonic spirits are working to deceive the masses to have their eyes turn away from God of all creation. 2 Corinthians 11:14.–And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. Rev 12:9–And the great dragon was thrown down, the serpent of old who is called the devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was thrown down to the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him. Devil is real.

That’s been posted here before. There is no evidence of aliens. I don’t think demons need physical vehicles to get around.

Ed

 

[edwest2]

To be fair, there is only a very small minority of individuals who regularly read about UFOs and ETs and conspiracies and all the rest of it. So this isn’t a matter of the masses. Your average person would read about things associated with all of this and think it was nuts. They might engage in it on occasion like they would with a horror movie: it’s good fun to them, but doesn’t last long.

There are a substantial number of UFO investigators and researchers. I’m a UFO researcher, and all the evidence points to man-made craft designed for covert reconnaissance missions. Trained observers have seen them.

Ed

 

[edwest2]

Denial of the tricks by Satan just won’t cut it. It’s the work of the devil whether people like it or not. That’s deception–ufos and aliens–by demonic spirits.

There is no evidence for this.

Ed

 

[DanielStDominic]

There are a substantial number of UFO investigators and researchers. I’m a UFO researcher, and all the evidence points to man-made craft designed for covert reconnaissance missions. Trained observers have seen them.

Could you point me in the direction of some reliable information that supports this conclusion? I admit I always find this sort of stuff kinda fascinating.

 

[KiwiBliss]

What does the Catholic Church teach about Aliens and UFO’S??

God created life in all things livings (realistically), so it is possible that UFO’s or Aliens were included within the gift of life. However, there may be particular names/terms for these types of topics to determine what exactly these are and how relevant they may or may not be to God’s creation. If both/one of them were significant to the Catholic Church, we would’ve known about both/one of these.

It specifically depends on how both terms (Aliens & UFO’s) originated. I personally believe in UFO’s, especially since the government has secret labs in Ohio and another location where they’ve been hiding the evidence from history’s famous New Mexico (Roswell July 5, 1947) & Washington states (Animal Planet video on camera). New Mexico has its own museum about UFO landings that have happened there. Washington’s experience happened with mermaids/aliens of some type that were on the beach and a young boy went up to explore them & 1 reacted to him. There’s a reason for everything.

 

[Nelka]

Aliens don’t exist.

 

[edwest2]

Could you point me in the direction of some reliable information that supports this conclusion? I admit I always find this sort of stuff kinda fascinating.

For one, there is the book Flying Saucer Aircraft by Bill Rose. He is a respected aviation researcher. He names names. For example, a company in Canada built such a craft and patents exist. There were two versions with the same designation “Weapon System 606A.” One was publicly tested and could barely get off the ground. This was the failed Avrocar. The other version with the same designation had the words (Supersonic Application) on a once secret document dated February 1958. A disc aircraft with a cockpit on the top was designed by Rene Couzinet, and he exhibited a 3/5 scale model of his Lenticular Aerodyne and filed a patent in 1955.

Why is a circular aircraft so important? The fact that it has no straight lines means radar is deflected from the surface. Unlike the U-2 spy plane which was tracked, this type of aircraft could not.

Ed

 

[snowcree]

I am fully aware that demons don’t need a physical vehicle. It’s not news to me–mind you. But the devil and his minions can transform themselves into a human figure, animal, or anything like ufos and aliens. A lot of people don’t understand this phenomena and it the work of darkness. People don’t like hearing this or don’t want to admit that Satan is real.

 

[edwest2]

I am fully aware that demons don’t need a physical vehicle. It’s not news to me–mind you. But the devil and his minions can transform themselves into a human figure, animal, or anything like ufos and aliens. A lot of people don’t understand this phenomena and it the work of darkness. People don’t like hearing this or don’t want to admit that Satan is real.

Satan is real. No doubt. But needing UFOs to get around? There is no evidence.

Ed

 

[mikekle]

The Brookings report, commissioned in the 1950s determined the american people are not ready to learn the truth about these things.

This report can be viewed in its entirety many places online, so its not classified, but they must have known quite a lot about them back them to even make this determination

 

[snowcree]

edwest2, I never said they need a vehicle to get around. These demonic spirits are able to get around without the aid of any vehicle. However, they can transform themselves into a man, animal, and/or change itself into an alien or ufo. After all, they are declare in the Bible:
For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.

 

[3DOCTORS]

Life on other planets in our universe is not against doctrine.

You can still use your own reasoning to determine credibility. Where I live, on a reservation, there was an old woman who gave a story about a saucer stealing her cows, and a ladder came down and person started climbing down it, and she got scared and left. Every ounce of the tale reeked of nonsense of course.

My private opinion - the one that makes the most sense to me - is that the most common reason people tell these stories is because of a deep, disordered, inner craving to feel special, or unique, or set-apart, and since they cannot find that naturally, they invent a reason. I believe this is the same reason people sometimes call themselves prophets, or that they have memories of being somebody famous in another life, or that they believe in a grand conspiracy, or any number of other things. It’s about making themselves feel special, which gives them a rush, not unlike drunkenness, heroine, pornography, explicit romance novel for women, one night stands, etc.

I doubt UFO sightings are demonic. I think it’s more about psychological instability, poor self-esteem, and a craving for vainglory. Giving false testimony is sinful but the extent of the sin depends on the circumstances of each person.

Be patient and charitable.

By far the most rational hypothesis on this topic I’ve seen on CAF for many moons!

Suggested in-depth read, by a Harvard professor who did proper research using intelligent and thoughtfully put together methodology: hup.harvard.edu/catalog.php?isbn=9780674024014&content=reviews

 

[mikekle]

Aliens don’t exist.

This is a just sample of quotes from high ranking people that seem to confirm a conspiracy…

** " We have, indeed, been contacted - even visited - by extraterrestrial beings, and the U.S. government, in collusion with the other national powers of the Earth, is determined to keep this information from the general public."
- Victor Marchetti - CIA

"Behind the scenes, high-ranking Air Force officers are soberly concerned about UFOs. But through official secrecy and ridicule, many citizens are led to believe the unknown flying objects are nonsense."
- Admiral Roscoe Hillenkoetter - 1st director CIA

"We already have the means to travel among the stars, but these technologies are locked up in black projects and it would take an act of God to ever get them out to benefit humanity."
- Ben Rich, former Head of the Lockhead Skunk Works

"Information on UFOs, including sighting reports, has been and is still being officially withheld."
- Colonel Joseph J. Bryan III, founder of the CIA's psychological warfare staff, special assistance to the secretary of the Air Force, advisor to NATO

"The UFOs are no figment of the imagination."
- Lieutenant Colonel Louis Corbin Army Intelligence

"In concealing the evidence of UFO operations, the Air Force is making a serious mistake."
- Lt Colonel James McAshan USAF

"Flying saucers are real. Too many good men have seen them, that don't have hallucinations."
- Captain Eddie Richenbacker

"We frequently see unidentified objects in the sky. We are quietly investigating them."
- Lieutenent General Akira Hirano, Chief of Staff of Japan's Air Self-Defense Force

"The unidentified flying objects do exist. Their presence and intelligent displacement in the Argentine airspace has been proven. Their nature and origin is unknown and no judgement is made about them.
- Captain Engineer Omar R. Pagani, Argentine Navy

**

 

[AnneElizabeth]

Life on other planets in our universe is not against doctrine.

You can still use your own reasoning to determine credibility. Where I live, on a reservation, there was an old woman who gave a story about a saucer stealing her cows, and a ladder came down and person started climbing down it, and she got scared and left. Every ounce of the tale reeked of nonsense of course.

My private opinion - the one that makes the most sense to me - is that the most common reason people tell these stories is because of a deep, disordered, inner craving to feel special, or unique, or set-apart, and since they cannot find that naturally, they invent a reason. I believe this is the same reason people sometimes call themselves prophets, or that they have memories of being somebody famous in another life, or that they believe in a grand conspiracy, or any number of other things. It’s about making themselves feel special, which gives them a rush, not unlike drunkenness, heroine, pornography, explicit romance novel for women, one night stands, etc.

I doubt UFO sightings are demonic. I think it’s more about psychological instability, poor self-esteem, and a craving for vainglory. Giving false testimony is sinful but the extent of the sin depends on the circumstances of each person.

Be patient and charitable.

I don’t doubt what you are saying here about the psychological reason behind some of these so called sightings/stories. The lady you speak of does seem to be as such as that is quite a fantastic tale that doesn’t make any sense. But to dismiss them *all *as that… I don’t buy into that.

There are some witness stories that are credible, and not only are they credible, what they are describing was seen by more than one person- (both in separate locations, and the instances where the people are present together, in a group) Now, what they saw is one thing, what they might have seen another thing. No one knows what something is if its “Unidentified”. If someone claims to have seen a U.F.O. it would mean simply that they saw something they could not identify as that is exactly what the term means- “Unidentified Flying Object”. They are not claiming it was ‘aliens’ nor do they have some psychological problem. They just saw something.

To outright dismiss people who merely share their experiences as having a psychological problem is uncharitable, unless it is very clear that person suffers from a true psychological problem. Look to our own religious saints- for their own plights of having been disbelieved- Saint Bernadette Soubirous for example. Most people witnessing the event got up and left and then thought the same of her (that she was absolutely nuts) when she apparently ‘ate mud’ in front of them when she found the spring. Do you believe in the Catholic Faith? Some really tough zingers to beleive in a lot of those stories. Are they real? Or does Mother Church lie to us?

Don’t dismiss everything outright. And don’t fall for everything or anything outright either! (Not saying you are TK, just saying)

 

[Giggly_Giraffe]

vofoundation.org/blog/author/br-guy/

Brother Guy Consolmagno says he would baptise an alien but ‘only if they asked’

Brother Guy Consolmagno SJ has been appointed as director of the Vatican Observatory.

The Jesuit, who grew up in Detroit, Michigan, has said he would baptise an alien but “only if they asked”. At a science festival in Birmingham he said: “Any entity – no matter how many tentacles it has – has a soul.”

He also said he would be “delighted” if intelligent life was found among the stars but admitted it was unlikely.

Last year he was awarded the prestigious Carl Sagan Medal for his work in making scientific learning accessible to the public.

He also has an asteroid named after him – 4597 Consolmagno – thanks to his work documenting the evolution of small bodies in the solar system.

Brother Consolmagno is the president of the Vatican Observatory Foundation and the curator of the Vatican meteorite collection at Castel Gandolfo.

catholicherald.co.uk/news/2015/09/18/jesuit-who-says-aliens-have-souls-is-named-director-of-vatican-observatory/

 

[Giggly_Giraffe]

The imagination of Michale O’Brien has a good book, “Voyage to Alpha Centuri” that might give you a catholic perspective on space travel.

ignatius.com/Products/VAC-H/voyage-to-alpha-centauri.aspx

 

[The_Serpent]

There no specific Church document on the subject. But, … there are interesting references in the Bible and in Saints writings that may be relevant.

In Zacharias chapter 5, the prophet sees a flying volume, and a woman in a vessel. The prophet asks what this is, the angel says “This is their eye in all the earth.” Zacharias 5:6

Saint Antony of the Desert, saw a demon in a dish. As reported in St. Atanasius biography of him.

Blessed Anne Catherine Emmerich , saw in vision “spirits” that move about the heavenly sphere’s (Planets?). As well as claiming there are molds and fungi growing on the other planets in our system.

 

[edwest2]

The Brookings report, commissioned in the 1950s determined the american people are not ready to learn the truth about these things.

This report can be viewed in its entirety many places online, so its not classified, but they must have known quite a lot about them back them to even make this determination

This is not accurate. Some people without a high enough security clearance were told things to confuse and distract them. Only those with higher security clearances knew the truth. There are other documents and reports. The Cirvis/Merint reporting system even produced a poster showing a classic UFO. CIRVIS was an acronym that stood for Communications Instructions [for] Reporting Vital Intelligence Sightings.

That’s right. Even today, in military briefing rooms, those that can hear a part of what’s going on can stay. They are then asked to leave at a certain point and then those with higher security clearances are told the rest of the story.

Ed

 

[jas84173]

The Catholic Church teaches that extra terrestrial life does not contradict the teachings of the Church. Somewhat of a recent statement, and made me wonder at first if they knew something to make them come out with the statement. I don’t know if you want a religion that UFOs and alien life are huge in its doctrine, check out Raelism, Scientology, Aetherius Society, Unarius Academy of Science…