All have sinned.. including Mary.

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NDfan said:
Contd. from above:

Are you suggesting GOD does commit sin??

I said Jesus could not be tainted with original sin because he was GOD incarnate. Your implication is that the human side of Jesus could be tainted and that would override HIS divine nature. This is impossible as we know what happens when sin is mixed with GOD. It cannot survive. Therefore Jesus human side could not be tainted because HIS divine side, which is GOD incarnate, would not allow it. I don’t need to reconsider anything.

Yes the Bible does not tell us this.

Not sure what your point is here.

One quote from Hyppolytus and I’m supposed to use that to overrule the word of GOD. That’s the problem with quoting the ECFs sometimes to support a point. They don’t overrule GOD.

Peace to you as well:)
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hi NDfan i noticed in your post you stated a mix of God and sin can not survive,which is true,so if Mary was in a state of sin how did she survive with God inside her?A fetus does not survive without being directly plugged into the mother.
 
fbl9 said:
hi NDfan i noticed in your post you stated a mix of God and sin can not survive,which is true,so if Mary was in a state of sin how did she survive with God inside her?A fetus does not survive without being directly plugged into the mother.
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We have the Holy Spirit in us after we get baptized. How is it that we survive??
 
Lampo said:
Not in the sense that John the Baptist was conceived by the Holy Spirit.
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So you don’t believe John was born by the power of the Holy Spirit, that he was born through intercourse of Zechariah and Elizabeth?
 
NDfan said:
So you don’t believe John was born by the power of the Holy Spirit, that he was born through intercourse of Zechariah and Elizabeth?
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Ohhhh, you know what? I’m not sure about this. I know that Elizabeth was barren and up in age, but yet she bore a son. I also know that I believe what the Catholic Church teaches on this, but quite honestly I don’t know what that is yet. Please overlook my ignorance on this. I will find out what the Church says, pronto! :o
 
Lampo said:
Ohhhh, you know what? I’m not sure about this. I know that Elizabeth was barren and up in age, but yet she bore a son. I also know that I believe what the Catholic Church teaches on this, but quite honestly I don’t know what that is yet. Please overlook my ignorance on this. I will find out what the Church says, pronto! :o
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The church teaches that Elizabeth conveived through the power of the Holy Spirit. But this is false because we know that Zechariah lost his speach due to his doubt that he would get Elizabeth pregnant. It’s the same thing for Abraham. Sarah was barren and when GOD told Abraham she would have a boy, Sarah laughed in the shelter. But that doesn’t mean Sarah conceived through the power of the Holy Spirit.
 
NDfan said:
The church teaches that Elizabeth conveived through the power of the Holy Spirit.
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Then this is the truth. How could it not be since the Church is the pillar and bullwark of truth? Could you point me to this specific Church teaching? BTW, thanks for the education.
NDfan said:
But this is false because we know that Zechariah lost his speach due to his doubt that he would get Elizabeth pregnant. It’s the same thing for Abraham. Sarah was barren and when GOD told Abraham she would have a boy, Sarah laughed in the shelter. But that doesn’t mean Sarah conceived through the power of the Holy Spirit.
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I will go with the Church that Jesus promised would be guided by the Holy Spirit into all truth and not with your fallible interpretation.
 
Lampo said:
Then this is the truth. How could it not be since the Church is the pillar and bullwark of truth? Could you point me to this specific Church teaching? BTW, thanks for the education.

I will go with the Church that Jesus promised would be guided by the Holy Spirit into all truth and not with your fallible interpretation.
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I can’t seem to find it Lampo. Another poster on this forum posted it but that was the first time I honestly ever saw or heard that. I don’t remember being taught that in Roman Catholic school. I assumed it was a newer doctrine.

As far as it being true the scripture doesn’t say that.

And it came to pass, when the days of his ministration were fulfilled, he departed unto his house. And after these days Elisabeth his wife conceived

Scripture makes it pretty clear that they had intercourse.
 
estesbob said:
Originally Posted by justasking4
What evidence do you have from the gospels where Jesus protects her from sin?

estesbob
Hail Mary full of grace
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I familar with this. I’m asking further on in the gospel accounts where Jesus protects her from sin?
 
justasking4 said:
I familar with this. I’m asking further on in the gospel accounts where Jesus protects her from sin?
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I have the indwelling of the Holy Spirit and he has revealed to me that the proper interpretation of this verse supports the Immaculate Conception…
 
NDfan said:
I can’t seem to find it Lampo. Another poster on this forum posted it but that was the first time I honestly ever saw or heard that. I don’t remember being taught that in Roman Catholic school. I assumed it was a newer doctrine.
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I have some homework then.
NDfan said:
As far as it being true the scripture doesn’t say that.
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Maybe not, but the Catholic Church doesn’t go by the false doctrine of sola scriptura. The Scriptures don’t say “Trinity” either, but it is true that God is three persons in one divine nature.
NDfan said:
And it came to pass, when the days of his ministration were fulfilled, he departed unto his house. And after these days Elisabeth his wife conceived

Scripture makes it pretty clear that they had intercourse.
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Clear to you maybe.
 
… don’t have time to read all posts, hope i am not repeating something

The Ark of the Covenant… Uzzah died just from touching it the wrong way…

wouldn’t the vessel that held Jesus have to at least as holy, pure as the Ark?

And God created Adam & Eve w/o sin…

He could do it again if he so desired… and it has been revealed to us through His Church that He did desire this.
 
estesbob said:
I have the indwelling of the Holy Spirit and he has revealed to me that the proper interpretation of this verse supports the Immaculate Conception…
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That’s a good one I like that:)

Consider this from Irenaeus:

Just as Eve, wife of Adam, yet still a virgin, became by her disobedience the cause of death for herself and the whole human race, so Mary, too, espoused yet a Virgin, became by her obedience the cause of salvation for herself and the whole human race…

Now it’s interesting that Irenaeus includes Mary with the rest of the human race as receiving salvation from Jesus. Jesus paid the price for sinners. Hmmm guess that makes Mary a sinner.
 
distracted said:
… don’t have time to read all posts, hope i am not repeating something

The Ark of the Covenant… Uzzah died just from touching it the wrong way…

wouldn’t the vessel that held Jesus have to at least as holy, pure as the Ark?

And God created Adam & Eve w/o sin…

He could do it again if he so desired… and it has been revealed to us through His Church that He did desire this.
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Yeah we’ve seen all these arguments:) Although Uzzah didn’t die because he touched it the wrong way. Uzzah died because he touched it period. Only the Levites were commissioned to carry the Ark and they certainly didn’t die when they handled it. Check your scripture before posting;)
 
Lampo said:
You guess wrong. The Church founded by Jesus with His promise to be led into all truth says otherwise.
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I’m not guessing. You also need to stop mis-quoting Jesus. It’s not the church that Jesus says would be guided into all truths. Jesus says the Holy Spirit will guide “us”, you and me into all truths.
 
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