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ADiosgracias
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How is possible that the use of contraception in marriage after 6 children may be equivalent to a mortal sin such as abortion or not to go to Mass on Sundays, and extramarital affairs etc…
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DihydrogenOxide
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Does it carry the same weight as, say willful, planned murder? Not necessarily.
Could you still end up in hell? Sure thing.
You know what the Church teaches. You aren’t trusting God. You aren’t respecting your spouse. You aren’t open to life. You don’t make the child. God does. God is the author of life. If God decides to give you a child, He’ll give you a means to care for it.
It’s a blessing, not a curse.
By the way, birth control can kill a baby, so, yes, you could be murdering, too, if you’re using it.
Could you still end up in hell? Sure thing.
You know what the Church teaches. You aren’t trusting God. You aren’t respecting your spouse. You aren’t open to life. You don’t make the child. God does. God is the author of life. If God decides to give you a child, He’ll give you a means to care for it.
It’s a blessing, not a curse.
By the way, birth control can kill a baby, so, yes, you could be murdering, too, if you’re using it.
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Nate13
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It is silly to sit around and try to list mortal sins in terms of which is worse than other mortal sins. What you are talking about is culpability for a sin, which can be reduced depending on the circumstances surrounding when the sin is committed.
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Cristiano
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If someone shoots and kills your loved ones, do you care which caliber bullet was used?
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Bookcat
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There is though the difference between that and slowly torturing them to death…
Mortal sins all are …well “mortal”. But some are going to have worse punishments in hell than others…
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upbeatjonm
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I would like to think that, but that sounds like Dante and not the Chatechism. I don’t know if there are different punishments in Hell.
I also don’t think it is fair that someone like Hitler will have the same punishment as someone who lazily missed a holy day of obligation in 1987 but has otherwise lead a near perfect life.
I guess great mortal sins such as mass murder are like dropping into the fire pit of Hell and doing a “cannonball” for style points, rather than simply holding your nose. You still end up wet or on fire.
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Bookcat
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Certainly …aside from Dante and is ideas of “particular punishments”…yes one can say that both the “temporal” and the “eternal” punishment “fits the crime” as they say.
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mdkirkbride
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It doesn’t sound reasonable to me that there would be ‘degrees’ of damnation
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Bookcat
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Objectively one mortal sin can be “worse” than another. Though all choose “death”.
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Bookcat
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Catechism:
1858 Grave matter is specified by the Ten Commandments, corresponding to the answer of Jesus to the rich young man: "Do not kill, Do not commit adultery, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Do not defraud, Honor your father and your mother."132 The gravity of sins is more or less great: murder is graver than theft. One must also take into account who is wronged: violence against parents is in itself graver than violence against a stranger.
(and of course the punishment would be greater…)
1858 Grave matter is specified by the Ten Commandments, corresponding to the answer of Jesus to the rich young man: "Do not kill, Do not commit adultery, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Do not defraud, Honor your father and your mother."132 The gravity of sins is more or less great: murder is graver than theft. One must also take into account who is wronged: violence against parents is in itself graver than violence against a stranger.
(and of course the punishment would be greater…)
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Bookcat
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Thankfully…
1848 As St. Paul affirms, "Where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."118 But to do its work grace must uncover sin so as to convert our hearts and bestow on us "righteousness to eternal life through Jesus Christ ourLord."119 Like a physician who probes the wound before treating it, God, by his Word and by his Spirit, casts a living light on sin:
Conversion requires convincing of sin; it includes the interior judgment of conscience, and this, being a proof of the action of the Spirit of truth in man’s inmost being, becomes at the same time the start of a new grant of grace and love: “Receive the Holy Spirit.” Thus in this “convincing concerning sin” we discover a double gift: the gift of the truth of conscience and the gift of the certainty of redemption. the Spirit of truth is the Consoler.120
1848 As St. Paul affirms, "Where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."118 But to do its work grace must uncover sin so as to convert our hearts and bestow on us "righteousness to eternal life through Jesus Christ ourLord."119 Like a physician who probes the wound before treating it, God, by his Word and by his Spirit, casts a living light on sin:
Conversion requires convincing of sin; it includes the interior judgment of conscience, and this, being a proof of the action of the Spirit of truth in man’s inmost being, becomes at the same time the start of a new grant of grace and love: “Receive the Holy Spirit.” Thus in this “convincing concerning sin” we discover a double gift: the gift of the truth of conscience and the gift of the certainty of redemption. the Spirit of truth is the Consoler.120
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Luvtosew
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One must also take into account who is wronged: violence against parents is in itself graver than violence against a stranger.
I don’t think it matters who is wronged, violence against another person is violence period.
I don’t think it matters who is wronged, violence against another person is violence period.
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Bookcat
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Such is the teaching of the Church etc.
It very much matters!
In fact such can be needful to mention in confession as well.
If I murder my Father I need to say so in confession.
If I murder an unborn child…I need to say it was abortion.
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Rascalking
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I think this is a great question.
A woman in the concentration camps slept with a nazi guard in order to save lives there. She saved about 20. Now, as fun as it is to condemn her to hell and throw away the key, think about the lives she saved.
I think God DOES view them differently, regardless of how we view them.
A woman in the concentration camps slept with a nazi guard in order to save lives there. She saved about 20. Now, as fun as it is to condemn her to hell and throw away the key, think about the lives she saved.
I think God DOES view them differently, regardless of how we view them.
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Speedypizza
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A person who missed a Holy Day of Obligation in 1987 would have to skip confession for 25 years in order to end up in hell for that one sin.I would like to think that, but that sounds like Dante and not the Chatechism. I don’t know if there are different punishments in Hell.
I also don’t think it is fair that someone like Hitler will have the same punishment as someone who lazily missed a holy day of obligation in 1987 but has otherwise lead a near perfect life.
I guess great mortal sins such as mass murder are like dropping into the fire pit of Hell and doing a “cannonball” for style points, rather than simply holding your nose. You still end up wet or on fire.
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Buck_Crosswhite
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Any mortal sin kills the soul. The appropriate punishment is God’s business.
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Barbkw
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NFP doesn’t work for you and your husband?
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Bookcat
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Such is not so much the question here… (and yes God is well aware if she had an invinciblily erroneous conscience …or if she is culpable for the mortal sins…)
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Bookcat
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Catechism of the Catholic Church
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JRKH
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All conversations of this manner are pointless…
Let me ask you. Do you want to go to hell???
If the answer is No - then forget about particulars and these various details and just don’t commit a mortal sin of ANY kind - Period
Now if your answer is - it depends on which level o Hell I’ll be in…Well then you need some more conversion…for you have not sufficiently repented.
The above is not pointed at you specifically, ADiosgracias, but at all those who fret over such matters…
It is far better to point yourself toward God and not look back at sin…
Study on Love, not on sin
Peace
James
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