All Souls vestments

[GoGoDiego]

Anyone here who went to Mass on that day?
For those who went to Mass for the Commemoration of All the Faithful Departed, what color of vestments did your priest use?

As for me, the priest wore violet vestments during the 7pm Mass in the parish.

 

[Xanthippe_Voorhees]

Anyone here who went to Mass on that day?
For those who went to Mass for the Commemoration of All the Faithful Departed, what color of vestments did your priest use?

As for me, the priest wore violet vestments during the 7pm Mass in the parish.

Violet and White are acceptable. Black is, too, but many priests do not have those vestments for the OF.

 

[Wendy1989]

My pastor wore white.

 

[FrDavid96]

Black.

For all three Masses of All Souls Day.

I wore white on All Saints Day.

 

[FrDavid96]

Violet and White are acceptable. Black is, too, but many priests do not have those vestments for the OF.

There is no difference between the priest’s vestments for the Ordinary Form and those of the Extraordinary Form, except for the fact that in the OF the maniple is optional while it’s required in the EF.

And by the way, black is the normative color in the OF. Violet and white are optional, and only in some countries.

 

[Xanthippe_Voorhees]

Xanthippe_Voorhees:

Violet and White are acceptable. Black is, too, but many priests do not have those vestments for the OF.

There is no difference between the priest’s vestments for the Ordinary Form and those of the Extraordinary Form, except for the fact that in the OF the maniple is optional while it’s required in the EF.

But isn’t Black a required color for priests to have in the EF but not required in the OF?

 

[FrDavid96]

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I wore this for the first Mass.

 

[FrDavid96]

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I wore this for Masses 2 and 3.

(Except that I had mine made with silver embroidery rather than gold.)

 

[UpUpAndAway]

Violet.

Nice chasubles, Father

 

[Usige]

Both of our priests and the deacon wore black vestments.

With regard to buying OF vs EF vestments, I think the major thing is that when bought in sets, black vestments tend towards use in the EF. For instance our black vestments are Gothic style, but include a cope, chausible with a priest’s stole, dalmatic with a deacon’s stole, and a tunicle without a stole. When we were vesting the deacon had grabbed the tunicle and asked where the stole was. Father said subdeacons don’t wear stoles so perhaps he should use the dalmatic instead .

We are looking to just add a black deacon’s stole so that we have two sets of vestments for the deacons. Most couldn’t tell the difference between the dalmatic and tunicle so it’s not a big deal. Maybe half of our dalmatics are actually closer to tunicles anyway.

 

[FrDavid96]

But isn’t Black a required color for priests to have in the EF but not required in the OF?

That depends on how one defines the word “required.”

In the EF, violet can be a substitute for black.

No priest is actually “required” to own his own vestments. Indeed, those who took a vow of poverty, by definition, don’t own any vestments at all.

A parish is required to own everything necessary for Mass. But there’s no checklist of items published by the Church that every parish must follow.

In the EF, the act of owning black vestments is not required per se, but in practical terms, having at least one set available is mostly necessary, but not absolutely so.

 

[Xanthippe_Voorhees]

Xanthippe_Voorhees:

But isn’t Black a required color for priests to have in the EF but not required in the OF?

That depends on how one defines the word “required.”

In the EF, violet can be a substitute for black.

No priest is actually “required” to own his own vestments. Indeed, those who took a vow of poverty, by definition, don’t own any vestments at all.

A parish is required to own everything necessary for Mass. But there’s no checklist of items published by the Church that every parish must follow.

In the EF, the act of owning black vestments is not required per se, but in practical terms, having at least one set available is mostly necessary, but not absolutely so.

Just curious because I don’t think I’ve ever seen Black Vestments owned by a parish that was soley OF and I’ve voulenteered to help clean in many states/dioceses.

 

[SanRafael1102]

What about different countries or regions? I have yet to ever witness black vestments in Texas, Oklahoma, New Mexico, or Colorado.

 

[Usige]

Just curious because I don’t think I’ve ever seen Black Vestments owned by a parish that was soley OF and I’ve voulenteered to help clean in many states/dioceses.

Sounds like you need to visit @FrDavid96 or my parish. in some ways I have Fr David to thank for us having black vestments. His comments here over the past few years lead me to convince my pastor to purchase a set 2 or 3 years ago. We are also discussing purchase of a black funeral pall.

I actually know a number of younger priests that are, or would like to, returning to the use of black vestments for All Souls and as an option for Masses for the Dead. I don’t know if it will ever become widespread, but I don’t think it will be as uncommon.

 

[RCbkw]

White for All Saints and violet for All Souls at my church.

 

[FrDavid96]

Just curious because I don’t think I’ve ever seen Black Vestments owned by a parish that was soley OF and I’ve voulenteered to help clean in many states/dioceses.

That’s just coincidence.

My parish is only OF, but we certainly have black vestments.

However, when I arrived, there were none in the sacristy. I found one in storage but most likely it was just forgotten.

Plenty of OF parishes do have black vestments.

It’s going to depend on the individual priests, whether they use them or not.

I would agree with someone who says that “most don’t” as a statistic.

Overall, black vestments are making a comeback. Our newer priests especially are bringing them back.

 

[FrDavid96]

Sounds like you need to visit @FrDavid96 or my parish. in some ways I have Fr David to thank for us having black vestments. His comments here over the past few years lead me to convince my pastor to purchase a set 2 or 3 years ago. We are also discussing purchase of a black funeral pall.

I actually know a number of younger priests that are, or would like to, returning to the use of black vestments for All Souls and as an option for Masses for the Dead. I don’t know if it will ever become widespread, but I don’t think it will be as uncommon.

Thanks for that!

The trend seems to be pretty strong now in favor of restoring the use of black. I definitely see the usage growing, and rather vigorously.

 

[FrDavid96]

What about different countries or regions? I have yet to ever witness black vestments in Texas, Oklahoma, New Mexico, or Colorado.

Have you actually gone to each and every parish and looked in every sacristy closet?

As for different countries, yes. Colors will vary. Black (and I believe violet) are the universal colors and always permitted. A conference of bishops (with Rome’s approval) can permit other colors if a culture considers such colors to be the tradition for funerals. For example, in many Asian cultures, white is the color of funerals and mourning. So the Church allows white for Masses for the Dead.

In some places, red is considered the traditional funeral color.

In the Slavic cultures, both red and black are traditionally used for funerals (Russians lean more towards black, Ukrainians and Ruthenians trend red) and that’s both Orthodox and Catholic. I suppose there might be permission in some of those countries for Latin priests to wear red.

 

[Xanthippe_Voorhees]

Which has been my experience. Not as a Sacristan, but as someone who came in to dust/clean/mend things.

Good to hear things are changing though, isn’t it?

 

[FrDavid96]

Share this link with your pastor.

www.catholicliturgicals.com

If he sees how reasonable the prices are, he might be willing.

I’m not joking either. Many priests don’t have black vestments for the simple reason that they don’t want to pay the prices demanded in many of the U.S. stores or catalogues. If he sees that he can get a very nice black Gothic chasuble for only $60, he might be willing, or someone might be willing to sponsor a set. I’m not saying to force it on him, but it might be worth exploring.