All the religions in the world are the feathers of the same bird

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There is one God, one universe, one faith. God said so. It make no sense to discuss multiple religions with your original premise. There is only one truth.
 
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There is one God, one universe, one faith. God said so. It make no sense to discuss multiple religions with your original premise. There is only one truth.
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Right. Can God be confused?
 
buffalo said:
First …c Church.

If everyone searches for the truth to its logical end they will be members of the Catholic Church when they die. If they settle for partial truths, then we have to trust in God’s mercy.
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buffalo;

If your religion is really the absolute truth, I shall put a simple question to you. So much time has gone since your religion appeared on this earth. Then, by this time why all the people of on this earth have not followed it? Why other religions still exist? Do you mean that so many people of other religions are fools and go to hell permanently? Do you think that the people of your religion only are wise and reach God? You are eating bread and jam. I am eating rice. Other people eat food in some other form. You say that your food alone gives health and energy and all other forms of foods create illness. You are not realising that all the forms of the food are the same chemicals like carbohydrates, proteins and minerals and this truth is realised only by chemical analysis.

You say that the analysis should not be done and insist on your food only. The same food exists in different forms to suit to the liking of the different people and every form of food is good and energetic. You must also realise that any form of food may be poisoned. Any poisoned food leads to disease and any good food gives health. The poison is conservatism and egoism. Every religion says that it alone is correct and all other religions are wrong. Every religion says that I should accept its holy scripture without any analysis since God is beyond logic.

Now please tell me which religion should I accept? If there is only one religion, I should have simply accepted it without analysis. But there are several religions, which are fighting with each other, and every religion utters the same statement. In such case without analysis which religion should I accept? All of you discuss with each other and come to a conclusion so that I will accept that religion which is finally concluded by all of you.

God is beyond logic and therefore none can analyse God. But such God comes in flesh to give His experience to us. For example Jesus came as God in flesh. Now the problem comes because Hinduism projects another God in flesh like Krishna. Krishna told that He is God. Jesus told that He is God because He and His father are one and the same. Now which God should I accept? Both of you do not permit me to do analysis. Then both of you discuss and finalise so that I will accept either Krishna or Jesus. You neither give me the conclusion nor allow me to get the conclusion!
 
janman55 said:
There is one God, one universe, one faith. God said so. It make no sense to discuss multiple religions with your original premise. There is only one truth.
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Only one God created this entire Universe!!

Hindus say that Brahman is the creator, Muslims say
That Allah is creator, Christians say that the creator is
Jehovah, all say that the creation is this entire world.
If Hindus say that Brahman created India, and if
Muslims say that Allah created Arabian countries and
If Christians say that Jehovah created the western countries,
The problem is solved, there can be three Gods together,
Who have created the three parts of the earth separately.

But this is not so, each religion says that their God only
Created the entire world, unfortunately there is one world!
One world only! Come on, all of you sit together here
And give me the final conclusion after debate, otherwise,
The scientists are laughing on all of you! Shame to all!

They criticize that these religions do not have even
The basic logic, which is the fundamental common sense.
Because of you, the greatest God is also mocked by them
They say that the religions are rigid conservatisms!
Even a small boy is putting this question to all of you.

Stop all your discourses and first answer this question.
If you want to say that God created the entire world,
You have to accept that there is one God only always
And that His names are all the above three names.

We see in the world a single person having three names.
If there is one God, He only created this entire world.
All the human beings are invariably His children only.
No Father is partial to a single child and therefore
He must have preached the same knowledge to all
In different languages and in different methodologies
To different levels, this is Universal Spirituality.
 
dattaswami said:
Only one God created this entire Universe!!

Hindus say that Brahman is the creator, Muslims say
That Allah is creator, Christians say that the creator is
Jehovah, all say that the creation is this entire world.
If Hindus say that Brahman created India, and if
Muslims say that Allah created Arabian countries and
If Christians say that Jehovah created the western countries,
The problem is solved, there can be three Gods together,
Who have created the three parts of the earth separately.
But this is not so, each religion says that their God only
Created the entire world, unfortunately there is one world!
One world only! Come on, all of you sit together here
And give me the final conclusion after debate, otherwise,
The scientists are laughing on all of you! Shame to all!

They criticize that these religions do not have even
The basic logic, which is the fundamental common sense.
Because of you, the greatest God is also mocked by them
They say that the religions are rigid conservatisms!
Even a small boy is putting this question to all of you.

Stop all your discourses and first answer this question.
If you want to say that God created the entire world,
You have to accept that there is one God only always
And that His names are all the above three names.

We see in the world a single person having three names.
If there is one God, He only created this entire world.
All the human beings are invariably His children only.
No Father is partial to a single child and therefore
He must have preached the same knowledge to all
In different languages and in different methodologies
To different levels, this is Universal Spirituality.
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Doesn’t this seem to contradict your heading?
 
We do not have to believe that the one God with so many names has all the attributes that all give to Him. We are seeking the truth, not an easy answer.

You seem to think that there is one God with many aspects, and everyone just worships an aspect of God. This is an idea that is rejected by many to whom you are preaching. Again,

Teachers must first learn
you need to learn something about whom you preach to before preaching

A lone Raven
 
dattaswami said:
buffalo;

If your religion is really the absolute truth, I shall put a simple question to you. So much time has gone since your religion appeared on this earth. Then, by this time why all the people of on this earth have not followed it? Why other religions still exist? Do you mean that so many people of other religions are fools and go to hell permanently? Do you think that the people of your religion only are wise and reach God? You are eating bread and jam. I am eating rice. Other people eat food in some other form. You say that your food alone gives health and energy and all other forms of foods create illness. You are not realising that all the forms of the food are the same chemicals like carbohydrates, proteins and minerals and this truth is realised only by chemical analysis.

You say that the analysis should not be done and insist on your food only. The same food exists in different forms to suit to the liking of the different people and every form of food is good and energetic. You must also realise that any form of food may be poisoned. Any poisoned food leads to disease and any good food gives health. The poison is conservatism and egoism. Every religion says that it alone is correct and all other religions are wrong. Every religion says that I should accept its holy scripture without any analysis since God is beyond logic.

Now please tell me which religion should I accept? If there is only one religion, I should have simply accepted it without analysis. But there are several religions, which are fighting with each other, and every religion utters the same statement. In such case without analysis which religion should I accept? All of you discuss with each other and come to a conclusion so that I will accept that religion which is finally concluded by all of you.

God is beyond logic and therefore none can analyse God. But such God comes in flesh to give His experience to us. For example Jesus came as God in flesh. Now the problem comes because Hinduism projects another God in flesh like Krishna. Krishna told that He is God. Jesus told that He is God because He and His father are one and the same. Now which God should I accept? Both of you do not permit me to do analysis. Then both of you discuss and finalise so that I will accept either Krishna or Jesus. You neither give me the conclusion nor allow me to get the conclusion!
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Why have all men not seen the truth? Concupiscience.

Some are fools others ignorant and still others are obstinate.

In addition, Catholics have been less than perfect in Jesus’ command to “go and preach to all nations.” Our own failures are a contributing factor. First we have to accept the truth, then we have to live it. The Catholic proposition is hard and we Catholics fail time and time again.

First, look at the fruits of the religion. Are the fruits over time good or bad. Where do they lead one?

What religions utter the same statement?
 
Buffalo;

Lord created the universe for entertainment. He has given free will to all the human beings to do whatever they like. But, the results will follow the deeds. So, He is indirectly controlling, that is to say that enjoyment for good deeds and misery for bad deeds. Misery is to bring realisation only and not to repeat the same bad deed. Otherwise, He is not responsible for one’s deeds. There is nothing like His enjoying when one harms the other. He watches this as a cinema only.

One has to receive the fruits of the deeds whether good or bad (Naabhuktam Ksheeyate Karma). There is only one way to escape the fruits of the deeds. The Lord comes down in human form and undergoes the punishments for your sake and saves you. At the same time He will protect the prestige of God of Justice and the theory of Karma. This is the main reason for His human incarnation.

He will never cancel the fruits of deeds. He will sacrifice Himself and protects you. When you cannot pay the fine, your father pays it. You must become eligible for such grace of the Lord. You achieve the eligibility when you do not aspire to get rid of the fruits of your deeds and prepare to undergo the punishments of all your sins. You should never think that the Lord should sacrifice for your sake.

Most of the times, we misunderstand God and interpret wrongly. For proper understanding of Him, we should learn the divine knowledge and practice it. Lord preaches the true spiritual knowledge in human form only, like Jesus, Krishna and Prophet Mohammed. His mission is to uplift human beings by preaching the divine knowledge. We should participate in His mission as His servants without aspiring anything in return. The practical participation (in form of donating money and physically spending \by working) will only prove our devotion.

Real love involves sacrifice. When we sacrifice ourselves and serve our kith-kin we are getting enjoyment. Our enjoyment comes with the enjoyment of our beloved, which clearly shows that the true love involves sacrifice.
 
dattaswami said:
Buffalo;

Lord created the universe for entertainment. He has given free will to all the human beings to do whatever they like. But, the results will follow the deeds. So, He is indirectly controlling, that is to say that enjoyment for good deeds and misery for bad deeds. Misery is to bring realisation only and not to repeat the same bad deed. Otherwise, He is not responsible for one’s deeds. There is nothing like His enjoying when one harms the other. He watches this as a cinema only.
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Why would God need to be entertained???
One has to receive the fruits of the deeds whether good or bad (Naabhuktam Ksheeyate Karma). There is only one way to escape the fruits of the deeds. The Lord comes down in human form and undergoes the punishments for your sake and saves you. At the same time He will protect the prestige of God of Justice and the theory of Karma. This is the main reason for His human incarnation.
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Why would God need anyone to protect his prestige?
He will never cancel the fruits of deeds. He will sacrifice Himself and protects you. When you cannot pay the fine, your father pays it. You must become eligible for such grace of the Lord. You achieve the eligibility when you do not aspire to get rid of the fruits of your deeds and prepare to undergo the punishments of all your sins. You should never think that the Lord should sacrifice for your sake.

Most of the times, we misunderstand God and interpret wrongly. For proper understanding of Him, we should learn the divine knowledge and practice it. Lord preaches the true spiritual knowledge in human form only, like Jesus, Krishna and Prophet Mohammed. His mission is to uplift human beings by preaching the divine knowledge. We should participate in His mission as His servants without aspiring anything in return. The practical participation (in form of donating money and physically spending \by working) will only prove our devotion.
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It would appear you are the one misunderstaning God. Your god is worried about his prestiger and needs to be entertained-the God I worship is omnipotent
Real love involves sacrifice. When we sacrifice ourselves and serve our kith-kin we are getting enjoyment. Our enjoyment comes with the enjoyment of our beloved, which clearly shows that the true love involves sacrifice.
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Agreed
 
There is one gigantic leap in belief from us to you. WE DO NOT BELIEVE THAT GOD CREATED THE UNIVERSE FOR ENTERTAINMENT.

That goes against the Christian concept of God. To say that God needed entertained, or is fickle is a huge offense. Please be aware, you are trying to speak with authority, without having authority.

A lone Raven

p.s.- Saying God controls everyone, but watches as in a cinema is contradictory, and both are against the Catholic concept of God. We need to be on the same page if we are to talk.

Also saying we should never presume that God will sacrafice for us, and then stating sacrafice equals love. Are you trying to say that God does not love us?
 
dattaswami said:
Buffalo;

Lord created the universe for entertainment. He has given free will to all the human beings to do whatever they like. But, the results will follow the deeds. So, He is indirectly controlling, that is to say that enjoyment for good deeds and misery for bad deeds. Misery is to bring realisation only and not to repeat the same bad deed. Otherwise, He is not responsible for one’s deeds. There is nothing like His enjoying when one harms the other. He watches this as a cinema only.

One has to receive the fruits of the deeds whether good or bad (Naabhuktam Ksheeyate Karma). There is only one way to escape the fruits of the deeds. The Lord comes down in human form and undergoes the punishments for your sake and saves you. At the same time He will protect the prestige of God of Justice and the theory of Karma. This is the main reason for His human incarnation.

He will never cancel the fruits of deeds. He will sacrifice Himself and protects you. When you cannot pay the fine, your father pays it. You must become eligible for such grace of the Lord. You achieve the eligibility when you do not aspire to get rid of the fruits of your deeds and prepare to undergo the punishments of all your sins. You should never think that the Lord should sacrifice for your sake.

Most of the times, we misunderstand God and interpret wrongly. For proper understanding of Him, we should learn the divine knowledge and practice it. Lord preaches the true spiritual knowledge in human form only, like Jesus, Krishna and Prophet Mohammed. His mission is to uplift human beings by preaching the divine knowledge. We should participate in His mission as His servants without aspiring anything in return. The practical participation (in form of donating money and physically spending \by working) will only prove our devotion.

Real love involves sacrifice. When we sacrifice ourselves and serve our kith-kin we are getting enjoyment. Our enjoyment comes with the enjoyment of our beloved, which clearly shows that the true love involves sacrifice.
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God is pure love, He could not be just in a cinema.

Don’t confuse good and evil. Evil is the abscence of good. Through free will he gives us a choice. A choice to love Him or not. The consequences of choosing against Him is to be devoid of His friendship. Again a choice we make, not Him.

By HIs dying He has filled the empty cup of evil with good, thus eliminating death. This was the ultimate sacrifice.

And yes Catholicism and Jesus call us to sacrifice. We are called to take up our cross in sacrifice. Only then can we experience pure love.

God sent HIs only son Jesus to us. Krishna and Muhammed are not in the same league as Christ.
 
If God had wanted to watch a movie, he would have made a cinema. Instead, God, being pure love, made mankind.

Pax Domini sit semper vobiscum
-ACEGC
 
dattaswami said:
buffalo;
If your religion is really the absolute truth, I shall put a simple question to you. So much time has gone since your religion appeared on this earth. Then, by this time why all the people of on this earth have not followed it? Why other religions still exist? Do you mean that so many people of other religions are fools and go to hell permanently? Do you think that the people of your religion only are wise and reach God? You are eating bread and jam. I am eating rice. Other people eat food in some other form. You say that your food alone gives health and energy and all other forms of foods create illness. You are not realising that all the forms of the food are the same chemicals like carbohydrates, proteins and minerals and this truth is realised only by chemical analysis.
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I know not of what food you eat. I eat the the Body of Christ, BODY BLOOD SOUL and DIVINITY!!!

This cannot be found in all religions, therefore not all religions are the same or are they all equal in truth.
Lord created the universe for entertainment. He has given free will to all the human beings to do whatever they like. But, the results will follow the deeds. So, He is indirectly controlling, that is to say that enjoyment for good deeds and misery for bad deeds. Misery is to bring realisation only and not to repeat the same bad deed. Otherwise, He is not responsible for one’s deeds. There is nothing like His enjoying when one harms the other. He watches this as a cinema only
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I do not think God was “entertained” by seeing he son tortured and killed…do you?
 
dattaswami said:
Thank you;

Why i post is that, Lord has come at various points of time in various region to preach and uplift the souls and when He goes out of the class room (this world) the students (His followers) become unrully and misinterpret His preaching and this is the reason why all the scriptures in the world are contradicting and the people are against each other becasue of these differecences. Lord is above reglion, so it is His duty to uplift the souls through right interpretation of the scritpure which came from Him only.

Lord comes in Human form for this purpose and to remove all the contradiction through the right divine knowledge. He is here itself for your access.
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All religions are **not **the same.​

This whole idea works only if the exclusive claims made by some of them are treated as meaning less than those who make them mean.

And the claims of Jesus Christ are exclusive. They cannot be relativised without being drained of their meaning - IOW, they can be fitted into the notion of religions described in the name of the thread, only by being ignored or trivialised or drained of meaning. Either way, the theory in the title is blown to smithereens.

Or is there no difference between Aztec sacrifice of prisoners of war, & the Muslim instance on the absolute unity & uniqueness of God ?
  • There is no way whatever of reconciling the claims of Islam, with the polytheism of Aztec religion.
  • Muslims don’t believe in a Trinity of co-equal & co-eternal Divine Persons - Christians do.
  • Parsee fire-worship does not fit with Christian faith in the absolute spirituality of the one God.
  • The Christian dogma that God alone is the Creator of all things, does not fit with Hindu cosmology.
    The theory simply will not work when applied to what the various religions have believed and said & practiced. ##
 
dattaswami said:
Buffalo;

Lord created the universe for entertainment. He has given free will to all the human beings to do whatever they like. But, the results will follow the deeds. So, He is indirectly controlling, that is to say that enjoyment for good deeds and misery for bad deeds. Misery is to bring realisation only and not to repeat the same bad deed. Otherwise, He is not responsible for one’s deeds. There is nothing like His enjoying when one harms the other. He watches this as a cinema only.
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No Christian can believe this without implicitly denying that God is universally Provident in all of creation, of which He alone is the Creator, no least part of which can in any way escape His Wisdom. So far is He from being an uninvolved spectator, that He took our nature that He might die for our sins, the Righteous for the unrighteous, the Holy One for the unholy.​

One has to receive the fruits of the deeds whether good or bad (Naabhuktam Ksheeyate Karma). There is only one way to escape the fruits of the deeds. The Lord comes down in human form and undergoes the punishments for your sake and saves you. At the same time He will protect the prestige of God of Justice and the theory of Karma. This is the main reason for His human incarnation.
He will never cancel the fruits of deeds. He will sacrifice Himself and protects you. When you cannot pay the fine, your father pays it. You must become eligible for such grace of the Lord. You achieve the eligibility when you do not aspire to get rid of the fruits of your deeds and prepare to undergo the punishments of all your sins. You should never think that the Lord should sacrifice for your sake.
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So what has happened to reincarnation ? Christianity has no place for it at all - it would disembowel faith in the Incarnation every bit as thoroughly as the notion of an eternal recurrence. We believe in the uniqueness of Jesus Christ, Who died for our sakes upon the Cross, cancelling the entire debt of all our sins by His atoning Death. This entirely rules out karma, for the record of our sins has indeed been cancelled - He has indeed sacrificed for us: He sacrificed Himself for us. Jesus, Our God Who is a man, does everything that He is said not to be able to 🙂 Not only do we think the Lord has sacrificed for us - our faith tells us He has, once for all.​

This is not a minor detail, an accretion to the Christian faith - it is at its very heart, it is central to it.

As for our “eligibility” - God elects his chosen from “before the foundation of the world”, as Scripture says, not because they do good, but purely because He is gracious. Election & salvation are from God’s grace - our activity is entirely within the scope of that gracious activity, & is secondary to it. ##
Most of the times, we misunderstand God and interpret wrongly. For proper understanding of Him, we should learn the divine knowledge and practice it.
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Christians are not saved by knowledge, but by faith in Jesus Christ Our Lord and Our God. “Knowledge puffs up, but grace builds up”, as St.Paul tells us. Only the unmerited grace of God can make us able & willing to obey Christ - mere knowledge is worthless, because it does not change us from being enemies to God, to being children of God: the grace of Christ alone can do that.​

Lord preaches the true spiritual knowledge in human form only, like Jesus, Krishna and Prophet Mohammed.
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If Mohammed had been a genuine prophet of God, he would not have reversed the teaching of Jesus Christ regarding marriage. Jesus allowed marriage between one man and one woman only - Mohammed allowed men four wives at a time, so long as they could be treated equally.​

Besides, Jesus is fully and truly human, as truly as He is God - unlike the gods of the Hindu pantheon when they took human shape. ##
His mission is to uplift human beings by preaching the divine knowledge.
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Then he should preach the Good News of Jesus Christ Crucified & Dying for our sins & raised in glory for our justification. [short omission at end]​

 
Theres a taxi driver in Limerick who says; Jews, protestants, Catholics, Muslims, Hindus, Buddists, … what does it matter - we’re all christians…:rolleyes:
 
dattaswami said:
**All the religions in the world are the feathers of the same bird **i.e., God with different colours.
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Christ did not teach that there are many paths to the Father, and He (Christ) is just one of them. Christ said that He was the only way to the Father.

You might (mistakenly) believe that all religions are equally valid (thereby promoting your religion), but please do not include Christianity. For if you are correct, then Christianity is obviously a false religion, and Christ is either a lunatic or a liar or both.

Christianity is either all true or all false. No middle ground.
 
If all the world’s religions were merely feathers on the same bird, that goose should get cooked.

Let’s not feed the troll, gentlemen. He clearly is not here for dialogue.
 
God is a goose, or an ostrich, or a duck? Which bird are the religions attached to?
 
dattaswami said:
Why i post is that, Lord has come at various points of time in various region to preach and uplift the souls…
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I can’t agree with that, dattaswami…

There is no evidence to support your conclusion that the “Lord has come at various points of time in various regions.”

I believe that Christianity has the only evidence… Prophecy! The ability to write down the details of an event a thousand years before they actually happen… Now that’s evidence!

There is plenty of prophecy in the Bible regarding the life, death, and ressurrection of Jesus Christ. One of my favourite prophecies is written by King David in Psalm 22. This was written a thousand years prior to the crucifixion, and yet he accurately describes the pain of the crucifixion… and what’s more incredible is that crucifixion wasn’t even invented yet. (It wouldn’t be invented until about 300-400 B.C. by the Persians.)

Do you have any evidence that other religions are truely from God? I would be surprised if you do.
 
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