"All truth is relative" = an absolute truth: Why?

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Peter_Plato said:
Non sequitur.

That some truth – even ALL the truth discernible by human means – is relative to “age and circumstance” does not mean all truth necessarily is relative. Nor does it mean there is no absolute truth.

You would have to have a complete accounting of all truth to make such a claim. Admittedly you don’t, therefore, you have nada./QUOTE]

In our ability to observe, all truth is relative. You have to bring in the supernatural to assume that there is absolute truth. The supernatural can neither be proved or disproved, so it is irrelevant in a discussion of truth on this planet. So, you have nada.
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rossum said:
“Truth” does not exist separately from the thing it is describing.
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And you would know that how?

What you are doing is begging the very question you clain to be settling.

Even if “Words attempt to describe what is true…” is true, why should it follow that “…therefore truth is nothing but what the words describe?”

That, certainly seems your argument, simply stated.

If you define “truth” as “the description in the words,” then it appears that the words are the “truth” and the “truth” nothing but the description encapsulated (bottled?) by the words.

That isn’t an argument, however, it is declaring by definition.
rossum said:
You cannot bring me a bottle of truth.
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Are you not assuming that truth, itself, is amenable to bottling (in words)? AND because it isn’t susceptible to bottling it can’t be the truth?

You are setting the parameters and predetermining what counts as “truth” before even beginning – ergo, begging the question of what truth is by setting your parameters for what it must be based on YOUR preconceived notion of what it ought to be but isn’t.
 
Peter_Plato said:
And you would know that how?

What you are doing is begging the very question you clain to be settling.

Even if “Words attempt to describe what is true…” is true, why should it follow that “…therefore truth is nothing but what the words describe?”

That, certainly seems your argument, simply stated.

If you define “truth” as “the description in the words,” then it appears that the words are the “truth” and the “truth” nothing but the description encapsulated (bottled?) by the words.

That isn’t an argument, however, it is declaring by definition.

Are you not assuming that truth, itself, is amenable to bottling (in words)? AND because it isn’t susceptible to bottling it can’t be the truth?

You are setting the parameters and predetermining what counts as “truth” before even beginning – ergo, begging the question of what truth is by setting your parameters for what it must be based on YOUR preconceived notion of what it ought to be but isn’t.
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Perhaps there is no truth. How do you prove its existence?
 
oldcelt said:
Perhaps there is no truth. How do you prove its existence?
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Perhaps there are no paragraphs. Can you prove me wrong by writing one?

If there is no truth, perhaps it’s not true that you exist? :confused:
 
oldcelt said:
Peter Plato;12746317:
Non sequitur.

That some truth – even ALL the truth discernible by human means – is relative to “age and circumstance” does not mean all truth necessarily is relative. Nor does it mean there is no absolute truth.

You would have to have a complete accounting of all truth to make such a claim. Admittedly you don’t, therefore, you have nada.
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In our ability to observe, all truth is relative. You have to bring in the supernatural to assume that there is absolute truth. The supernatural can neither be proved or disproved, so it is irrelevant in a discussion of truth on this planet. So, you have nada.
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You may have as much difficulty with “absolute truth” or “the supernatural” as you do with [BB code] but that does not, by extension, mean that everyone on this planet is in the same boat as you with regard to what they know or can reasonably discuss.

Sure, you may be offended by my comment and claim that I have overstretched what I can reasonably claim to be true, but how would YOU “KNOW” that, given your admission that “we” on this planet “have nada?”

You would have to KNOW with CERTAINTY that we have nada, in order to claim that we actually have nada. That is precisely what YOU claim not to have, however. Again, sawing off the limb that you are trying to make your comfortable perch.
 
Peter_Plato said:
You may have as much difficulty with “absolute truth” or “the supernatural” as you do with [BB code] but that does not, by extension, mean that everyone on this planet is in the same boat as you with regard to what they know or can reasonably discuss.

Sure, you may be offended by my comment and claim that I have overstretched what I can reasonably claim to be true, but how would YOU “KNOW” that, given your admission that “we” on this planet “have nada?”

You would have to KNOW with CERTAINTY that we have nada, in order to claim that we actually have nada. That is precisely what YOU claim not to have, however. Again, sawing off the limb that you are trying to make your comfortable perch.
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You have offered no proof…only an assumption that some have found an answer.Again, that is no answer at all.
 
oldcelt said:
Perhaps there is no truth. How do you prove its existence?
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Why would it be necessary to “prove its existence?”

What if the truth puts me under no compulsion to prove it, merely to know and accept it, with no obligation to “prove” it?
 
Peter_Plato said:
Why would it be necessary to “prove its existence?”

What if the truth puts me under no compulsion to prove it, merely to know and accept it, with no obligation to “prove” it?
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Then the same could be applied to anything. You are using an escape hatch to avoid answering the question.
 
oldcelt said:
Still waiting for several responses from you. Beside, why write more than is necessary to make one’s point?
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Could you remind me what you are waiting for a response to? I’m in a fog today. 😉
 
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