All will be saved

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steve-b:
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1/3 of the Angels fell. Probably 1/3 of humanity as well. God offers everyone mercy but you gotta accept it! Seems to me St. Faustina wrote about this subject…
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Humanity is doing much worse. Only a few according to Jesus, make it to heaven.
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God bless you Steve and God bless every readers of the CAF.
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Salvation is a very serious matter, we all need as much knowledge about it as much as possible.
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There is a man his name is David, he is an atheist, his way is destruction and misery (Rom.3:16), his mind is enmity against God (Rom.8:7), he accepts nothing from the Spirit of God, it is foolishness to him (1 Cor.2:14), he is spiritually dead in his sins (Col.2:13), he cannot discern between his right hand and his left (Jonah 4:11).
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God decided to save David and when he dies his home will be heaven.
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I’m sure we all like to learn from you Steve.
Please Steve explain to us, _in the sequence of events from the beginning until David dies, what is God’s role in David’s salvation and in the sequence of events what is David’s role in his salvation._
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Thank you in advance.

I believe your explanation doesn’t against the thread title and I also believe brother NoelFitz like to read your explanations as well.
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God bless you Steve and God bless every readers of the CAF.

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As Jesus said giving all of us a heads up in advance, knowing past, present and future, perfectly

Few are saved.
 
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steve-b said:
Can be saved ≠ will be saved

even when adding All in front of it
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No one disagrees. Again, what is your point? Do you limit God’s mercy and deny His grace of final penitence?
 
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A meditation on the Parable in this Sunday’s Gospel may be fruitful in shedding some light on the question here:
Matthew 22:1-14
1 And again Jesus spoke to them in parables, saying,
2 "The kingdom of heaven may be compared to a king who gave a marriage feast for his son,
3 and sent his servants to call those who were invited to the marriage feast; but they would not come.
4 Again he sent other servants, saying, ‘Tell those who are invited, Behold, I have made ready my dinner, my oxen and my fat calves are killed, and everything is ready; come to the marriage feast.’
5 But they made light of it and went off, one to his farm, another to his business,
6 while the rest seized his servants, treated them shamefully, and killed them.
7 The king was angry, and he sent his troops and destroyed those murderers and burned their city.
8 Then he said to his servants, 'The wedding is ready, but those invited were not worthy.
9 Go therefore to the thoroughfares, and invite to the marriage feast as many as you find.'
10 And those servants went out into the streets and gathered all whom they found, both bad and good; so the wedding hall was filled with guests.
11 “But when the king came in to look at the guests, he saw there a man who had no wedding garment;
12 and he said to him, 'Friend, how did you get in here without a wedding garment?’ And he was speechless.
13 Then the king said to the attendants, ‘Bind him hand and foot, and cast him into the outer darkness; there men will weep and gnash their teeth.’
14 For many are called, but few are chosen.”
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Through this parable, we see a mini version of salvation history. Because of Jesus and His New and Everlasting covenant, we are now ALL invited and called to the wedding banquet. But, while “many are called” those who come and are left “speechless” when questioned and cannot account for how we have arrived unclean, “without a wedding garment” will be “cast into the outer darkness”.

So yes, all are called and all can be saved, but “few are chosen”.
 
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o_mlly said:
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steve-b:
Can be saved ≠ will be saved

even when adding All in front of it
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No one disagrees. Again, what is your point? Do you limit God’s mercy and deny His grace of final penitence?
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Do you think God scares people with hell for no good reason?
Do you think Jesus lied or deceived, when He said few are saved?
Do you think Jesus doesn’t know from beginning to end, who will be saved and are in "the few’?

If EVERYBODY repents at the end and no one goes to hell as a result, then everyone is saved. THAT is universalism. And it is a heresy. THAT’s my point
 
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AveOTheotokos said:
A meditation on the Parable in this Sunday’s Gospel may be fruitful in shedding some light on the question here:
Matthew 22:1-14
1 And again Jesus spoke to them in parables, saying,
2 "The kingdom of heaven may be compared to a king who gave a marriage feast for his son,
3 and sent his servants to call those who were invited to the marriage feast; but they would not come.
4 Again he sent other servants, saying, ‘Tell those who are invited, Behold, I have made ready my dinner, my oxen and my fat calves are killed, and everything is ready; come to the marriage feast.’
5 But they made light of it and went off, one to his farm, another to his business,
6 while the rest seized his servants, treated them shamefully, and killed them.
7 The king was angry, and he sent his troops and destroyed those murderers and burned their city.
8 Then he said to his servants, 'The wedding is ready, but those invited were not worthy.
9 Go therefore to the thoroughfares, and invite to the marriage feast as many as you find.'
10 And those servants went out into the streets and gathered all whom they found, both bad and good; so the wedding hall was filled with guests.
11 “But when the king came in to look at the guests, he saw there a man who had no wedding garment;
12 and he said to him, 'Friend, how did you get in here without a wedding garment?’ And he was speechless.
13 Then the king said to the attendants, ‘Bind him hand and foot, and cast him into the outer darkness; there men will weep and gnash their teeth.’
14 For many are called, but few are chosen.”
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another way of Jesus saying, few are saved
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steve-b:
Do you think God scares people with hell for no good reason?
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God is love; God does not scare. Such an attitude is juvenile.
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When a judge gives a life sentence to a convicted rapist and mass murderer, is that not “justice”?
Is the judge merely trying to ‘scare people’?
Does the judge’s decision reflect a ‘juvenile attitude’?
 
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teresa63 said:
When a judge gives a life sentence to a convicted rapist and mass murderer, is that not “justice”?

Is the judge merely trying to ‘scare people’?

Does the judge’s decision reflect a ‘juvenile attitude’?
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This example does not parallel Catholic soteriology.

A better example would pose the question: Who condemns the sinner when the loving Judge says to the sinner, “If you but ask for forgiveness, it shall be yours” and the sinner replies, NO?
 
o_mlly said:
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teresa63:
When a judge gives a life sentence to a convicted rapist and mass murderer, is that not “justice”?

Is the judge merely trying to ‘scare people’?

Does the judge’s decision reflect a ‘juvenile attitude’?
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This example does not parallel Catholic soteriology.

A better example would pose the question: Who condemns the sinner when the loving Judge says to the sinner, “If you but ask for forgiveness, it shall be yours” and the sinner replies, NO?
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Catholic soteriology acknowledges the Word of God in that…not all will be saved.
The loving Judge would likely not say to a serial rapist/murder: “Well done, good and faithful servant.”
 
Recall Jesus’ parable about the guests invited to the great banquet (wedding supper of the Lamb). Among those invited, some were not dressed properly (in grace) to be admitted EVEN after responding to the invitation. They were turned away at the door.

Another parable, about the 10 bridesmaids, reinforces what Jesus said regarding always being ready. One cannot live a life without regard to God’s commandments (all of them) and then presume to say a few magic words at death (I’m sorry!) and all will be forgiven. Words aren’t enough. It’s what’s in the heart that counts.

God alone knows the heart of man, and a heart not accustomed to accepting His authority as Lord may be hardened and not inclined to perfect contrition at a moment’s notice.

Catholic soteriology does not focus more on God’s perfect mercy at the expense of His perfect justice.
 
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Catholic soteriology acknowledges the Word of God in that…not all will be saved.
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Do you have a magisterial citation that teaches “not all will be saved”?
teresa63 said:
Catholic soteriology does not focus more on God’s perfect mercy at the expense of His perfect justice.
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Your personal interpretations of Scripture are, of course, not binding. Once again, do you have a magisterial citation that supports this claim?
 
If everyone is saved, the parable of the rich man and Lazarus doesn’t really make a Hell* of a lot of sense.

*(Yes, the pun is intended).
 
o_mlly said:
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teresa63:
Catholic soteriology acknowledges the Word of God in that…not all will be saved.
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Do you have a magisterial citation that teaches “not all will be saved”?
teresa63 said:
Catholic soteriology does not focus more on God’s perfect mercy at the expense of His perfect justice.
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Your personal interpretations of Scripture are, of course, not binding. Once again, do you have a magisterial citation that supports this claim?
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Is the Word of God, in Jesus’ own voice, good enough? The Apostle Matthew recorded His words in Mt 7:21-23.
 
o_mlly,

Do you adhere to the idea of “assurance of heaven”? …
because that is not Catholic soteriology. You mention “magisterial citation” but the Catholic Magisterium does not teach “personal interpretations of Scripture.”
 
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teresa63 said:
Is the Word of God, in Jesus’ own voice, good enough? The Apostle Matthew recorded His words in Mt 7:21-23.
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Again, your interpretation is not binding. Moreover, if one’s personal interpretation contradicts Church teaching then on must recant. Do you have a magisterial citation or not?
 
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