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ralphinal
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Yep. Heaven forbid they read the whole chapter. If they did, they would pull that right off. It is about those who TURN FROM GOD! Maybe it is a good one after allā¦Yes, you must mean this one!
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jakasaki
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Ralph,ā¦ (et al)
Did you read the Christianity page and all of the stuff that is written in there yet? Just curious if you didā¦?? Iāve provided the link.
islam101.net/comparative-religion-mainmenu-34/41-christianity
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ralphinal
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I have before. I had forgetten how crazy it was. Honestly, it shows the problems that we have when we try to dialog. If this is Islamic Scholarship, we are in trouble.
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jakasaki
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----> Yup, we are in trouble! 
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a_slave_of_God
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Bismillahi Arrahmani Arraheem
- Qul: whoua Allahu Ahad
- Allah-us-Samad
- Lam yaled, walam youlad
- walam yakun lahou kufuwan Ahad.
In the Name of AllĆ¢h, the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful.
- Say (O Muhammad (Peace be upon him)): "He is AllĆ¢h, (the) One and Only.
- "AllĆ¢h is The Absolute, The Eternal.
- "He begets not, nor was He begotten;
- āAnd there is none co-equal or comparable unto Him.ā
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jakasaki
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**Itās because of the words in chapter 112 is why allah is is not God, Jesus Father.
Itās made up by a false prophet who changed Gods Word. **
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jakasaki
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I wonder how your allah feels that mohamad is on the same level as your almighty one!!
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Narrated Abu Huraira:
While we were in the mosque, Allahās Apostle came out to us and said,
"Let us proceed to the Jews."
So we went along with him till we reached Bait-al-Midras (a place where the Torah used to be recited and all the Jews of the town used to gather).
The Prophet stood up and addressed them,
"O Assembly of Jews! Embrace Islam and you will be safe!"
The Jews replied,
"O Aba-l-Qasim! You have conveyed Allahās message to us."
The Prophet said,
**āThat is what I want (from you).ā **
He repeated his first statement for the second time, and they said,
"You have conveyed Allahās message, O Aba-l-Qasim."
Then he said it for the third time and added,
**āYou should Know that the earth belongs to Allah and His Apostle, and I want to exile you fro, this land, so whoever among you owns some property, can sell it, otherwise you should know that the Earth belongs to Allah and His Apostle.ā **
I wasnāt aware that Godās green earth belonged to a mere messenger. Your prophet is some sort of **god **to claim that the earth belongs to him.
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Narrated Abu Huraira:
While we were in the mosque, Allahās Apostle came out to us and said,
"Let us proceed to the Jews."
So we went along with him till we reached Bait-al-Midras (a place where the Torah used to be recited and all the Jews of the town used to gather).
The Prophet stood up and addressed them,
"O Assembly of Jews! Embrace Islam and you will be safe!"
The Jews replied,
"O Aba-l-Qasim! You have conveyed Allahās message to us."
The Prophet said,
**āThat is what I want (from you).ā **
He repeated his first statement for the second time, and they said,
"You have conveyed Allahās message, O Aba-l-Qasim."
Then he said it for the third time and added,
**āYou should Know that the earth belongs to Allah and His Apostle, and I want to exile you fro, this land, so whoever among you owns some property, can sell it, otherwise you should know that the Earth belongs to Allah and His Apostle.ā **
I wasnāt aware that Godās green earth belonged to a mere messenger. Your prophet is some sort of **god **to claim that the earth belongs to him.
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famdigy
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Hi jakasaki, while the first part of Abu Hurairahās narration is questionable, the part you have underlined is in line with our belief.
The Quran states in chapter 2:30 āAnd when your Lord said to the angels, I am going to place in the earth a viceroy, they said: What! wilt Thou place in it such as shall make mischief in it and shed blood, and we celebrate Thy praise and extol Thy holiness? He said: Surely I know what you do not know.ā
This verse is in reference to Godās representatives on earth, from the begining of time until our time today, there was and will always exist Godās representative among the people, the perfect individual who has full authority over all of creation and is the guardian of the faith until he is succeeded by another, this is by Godās permission.
As you are aware, we believe Jesus performed great miracles, he healed the sick and even raised the dead. We believe he was able to do all of that with Godās permission. Likewise, the imam of the age has authority of all creation because the authority was granted to him by God. In practical terms it could be that a king sends a person to a region to act on his behalf, that person has full authority over that region because authority was given to him by the King.
The Qurāan supports this view in the following chapters:
4:54 āWe have given to Ibrahimās children the book and the wisdom and We gave them a great kingdomā
6:89 āThese are they whom We gave the book and the authority and the prophethoodā
27:16 "And SulaimĆ¢n (Solomon) inherited from DawĆ»d (David). He said: āO mankind! We have been taught the language of birds, and on us have been bestowed all things. This, verily, is an evident grace (from AllĆ¢h).ā
38:17 āBe patient (O Muhammad
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jakasaki
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Quote from Famdigy:
I understand your reply. But sorry,
Godās green earth belongs to God and to God only.
Not to God and mohamad.
God gave us, **everyone **this great earth.
Itās amazing that out of all of Godās children and Prophets, God all of the sudden in the koran dismisses all of His great Prophets and gives the earth to mohamad.
Surely God does not make these mistakes.
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Jamison97
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Wow youāre smart Allah is simply Arabic for God. Thereās no difference between the Muslim God and the Jewish and Christian God.
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a_slave_of_God
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Quote from Famdigy:
I understand your reply. But sorry,
Godās green earth belongs to God and to God only.
Not to God and mohamad.
God gave us, **everyone **this great earth.
Itās amazing that out of all of Godās children and Prophets, God all of the sudden in the koran dismisses all of His great Prophets and gives the earth to mohamad.
Surely God does not make these mistakes.
- MĆ»sa (Moses) said to his people: āSeek help in AllĆ¢h and be patient. Verily, the earth is AllĆ¢hās. He gives it as a heritage to whom He will of His slaves, and the (blessed) end is for the MuttaqĆ»n (pious).ā
- They said: āWe (Children of Israel) had suffered troubles before you came to us, and since you have come to us.ā He said: āIt may be that your Lord will destroy your enemy and make you successors on the earth, so that He may see how you act?ā
If we did so, then we are worthy to be thrown out.
This is why God wrote Palestine for the jews when they were believers while the people of Palistine were disbelievers and violating the Rules of God.
And since God is the Just, He applied the same rule over the jews and it shall be valid over us and you.
I sould not reply to your post now, as I have to reply in order till I reach yours, but I will come back to the old post and reply for them.
Best wishes.
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jakasaki
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Really, no difference between the muslim god allah and the Christian God?
The muslim god allah has no partners, remember.
Our Jesus Christ is not allahās son, rememberā¦??
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Agabriel
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And this is why there will be no peace between anyone and Islam. Not with Israel, the West, India, Africa, Europe, etc. They will appear like they are at peace until they are done using you (they are called useful idiots), but when you have a religion that divides the world up into dar al harb and dar al islam, or believers vs unbelievers, we will continue to see the violence coming from Islam.
And we have gone over the fact that Muhammad committed shirk quite often, but so do Muslims when they also put Muhammad right up there with their Allah.
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M0nkey
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I hate to argue with a fellow catholic, but that simply isnāt true. The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, the Father of Jesus, and the God of Holy Mother Church whom has begotten many martyrs for the faith is not allah. Me thinks you are falling into the heresy of relativism, and in the name of truth and charity I think you should deter from this thinking.
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Jamison97
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There is no difference other than the fact that the Holy Catholic Church worships the Christ unlike Muslims and Jews.
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Jamison97
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And this thread shows why the great Mahatma Gandhi once said, āI love your Christ. I donāt like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike the Christ.ā
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planten
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**MOnkey, There is only One God whoever He is. You are trying to mix up the matter and make things doubtful. You have a different understanding of God i.e. a Triune God. Muslims hve a different understanding. The Jews have different understanding of God which is against your thinking. But God is One. You may be right in your thinking that there are three gods that make one God. We Muslims do not believe such things. We consider it a sin of he highest order to ascribe partners with God.
You can have your God as you wish, in the shape and style you wish.**
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planten
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**The name of Muhammad will always be known next to Allah because he is the person who brought Unitarian (Tauheed) faith on the earth. That faith had disappeared from the Earth due to the christians getting mixed up with the pagan theology of three gods in One God.
Please remember that Muhammad is mentioned along with God (in the Kalimah) as a servant and messenger of Allah. That is to make sure that Muslims do not make the mistake (follow the path) of the christians who made God out of a mere man, Jesus.
The hindus were worshipping the idols. The Arabs were pagans worshipping the idols. The latest good faith which had come care of Jesus had been lost within 300 years and the church had taken up many false ideologies which the Jews did not agree to. As long as Jesus was alive, it was alright. But as soon as he disappeared suddenly, everything that Jesus taught was changed.
Jesus was a Jew and he was for the Jews only. He had nothing to do with any new religion. Muhammad never committed any shirk and Jesus also did not commit shirk. Jesus did not teach Three gods or Trinity. Moses also did not teach Trinity. Mother Mary did not teach Trinity. So we need to know who taught Trinity?
It is bad to ascribe Shirk to Muhammad. He is the only champion who brought the Unitarian faith back on Earth.**
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Agabriel
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And Jesus was God and the rest of us are human with faults.
And your portrayal of Gandhi isnāt very flattering to him. It doesnāt sound like he was very aware of human nature at all.
But, Allah is not the God of Israel. If one reads the Quran, hadiths, and studies a bit about Muhammad, one will find that Allah is Muhammad and his pagan religionās main god. The Quran has bits and pieces of poorly written Bible stories that were screwed up, but those were thrown in there because Muhammad wished to convert the Jews and Christians of the time.
Allah is not YHWH and even that name is not mentioned as one of Allahās names in the 99 names for Allah.
Just because they are monotheistic doesnāt mean they are on the right track with the same God. Muhammad even tried to throw in Allahās three daughters (the Satanic verses) but someone advised him not to do that. There used to be a statue of Allah on the kabaa and Muhammad destroyed it. But, they still use the pagan rituals of that religion of Muhammadās. None of those rituals are in Christianity or Judaism.
Most of the time most people say that the God of Israel and Allah are the same just to keep things simple. Well, then it would be simple to say that Ra and the God of Israel were the same too. They are not. The difference between Ra is that it was the sun, and Allah was the moon. And we are told several times in the Bible NOT to worship the sun, moon, or the things in the heavens. (Deut.4:19, Deut 17:3, II Kngs. 21:3,5; II Kngs. 23:5; Jer. 8:2; 19:13; Zeph. 1:5)
Muhammad just denied the existence of the other gods of his time. His own father was named, Abd-Allah, which means āslave of godā. The kabaa used to be known as āBeit-Allahā, the house of god. Allahās heaven, or I should say 7 heavens, are not what is taught to us in the Bible. And it is basically one that is just focused on the carnal lusts and desires of the body.
And if one studies Muhammad just a little bit one will find that as Muhammad degenerated in his character, so did Allah. Allah became the greatest deceiver, one who put people on earth just to be tortured, one who needed help from Muhammad quite often (to judge people, to supplicate to Muhammad because he will forgive sins (tirmidhi #929), etc)
Basically here are some verses that show Muhammad committed shirk, or that Allah was needy: al tirmidhi hadiths (5th of the accepted 6)
#936, #929, #933, #938, #927, #922-923, #820, #811, #66.
I think most of the time people just let it go the claim that Allah is the same God of Israel because discussing with Muslims doesnāt get anyone anywhere.
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Jamison97
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This proves to me that even though I deeply love Catholicism, Muslims can be nicer and more understanding.
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