Allah is not the idol name

[tomshaikh]

Is ‘Allah’ the same god of the Jews and Christians?

Yes. The word in Hebrew came from “El” and in Arabic from “Elh”. The word for “god” (note the small ‘g’ in English) is “Elah”. Compare this to “Eloi” and “Eli” in the New Testament.

The word “Allah” is the perfect word to describe the God of Jews and Christians as it does not permit gender nor plural. Therefore, when the word is used as in “Eloihim” or “Allahumma” (these would appear at first to be plural and/or female genders) it becomes clear it is the royal usage such as a king would use in referring to his royal station while make a decree of some type. The king would state, “We decree the following…” and he is actually talking about his royal position rather than plural status.

There is no word in English for the “God” of Israel, the “God” of Jesus. This explains why the spelling remains the same whether speaking of a false “god” or pagan idol and the “God” of Abraham or Moses or Jesus (peace be upon them). Note the use of the capital “g” (G). This is the only way English can present a difference between the two. In the semitic languages it is easy to distinguish the difference between a “god” and “The God” due to the structure of the word itself.

Evidence for this is quite simple. Visit any motel or hotel and remove the Bible located in the drawer next to the bed (placed they courtesy of the Gideon Society). Note inside the first few pages a reference to the translations of the Bible they have made into 27 languages. The second example they give is to the Arabic language of the passage in the New Testament from the Gospel of John 3:16. The verse begins in English; “For God so loved the world…” and in the Arabic translation the word used for “God” is “Allah.”

The Arabic Bible beginning with the Book of Genesis uses the word “Allah” to represent “The God” of Creation; Adam and Eve; Noah; Abraham; Ishmael and Isaac and Israel. Page one of Genesis has the word “Allah” 17 times.

 

[Lapell]

The lie is that the allah that Muslims worship is the same God as Abraham worshiped. The lie is that Mohammed is a prophet. The lie is that the bible is corrupted and the Quaran superceeds it. The lie is that Mohammed brought back the lost legacy of Ishmael after 4,000 years of dormancy. The lie is that was preserved by word of mouth to a greater perfection than Gods written word. The lie is that Abraham and Ismael visited Mecca. The lie is that Mohammed ever visited Jerusalem.
Lapell I could go on and on.

Well it certainly wasn’t that clear just from the post replying to her then.

 

[Lapell]

I would advise anyone reading this thread to discount the posts of “Hisalone” because he is clearly lying, and not providing any proof for his statements, and could easily mislead the unwary reader. So far just about everything he’s said about Islam is a lie.

If it is a lie, it don’t think it’s his. He seems very sincere…

 

[Lapell]

The symbol of the TURKISH or OTTOMAN empire was the crescent moon. It has nothing at all to do with Islam, but was used on flags by the OTTOMANS and sometimes they would put it on top of the minarets as well.

The symbol, once again, is not part of Islam, does not originate from the teachings of Muhammad, and was an insignia of the TURKS in the lands that they ruled.

Those crescents on top of minarets… they are in countries of the former Ottoman Empire and only there, then?

 

[Lapell]

Do Muslims believe that the bible is corrupted?
Yes
Do Muslims believe the Quaran superceeds the bible?
Yes
Do Muslims believe Mohammed is a direct descendant of Ismael?
Yes
Do Muslims believe that the Quaran which was not written but memorized is a prefered way of preserving the exact words that have been transmitted?
Yes
How did Abraham and Ishamael visit Mecca when Ishmael was sent away and settled in a region not near Mecca? Was athere even a Mecca at the time of Abraham?

Do you know where all of Ishmael’s descendants spread and lived? You know that in Ishmael time was more than a thousand years B.C., so that’s about 17 or 18 hundreds years before Muhammad. Are you sure none of Ishmael’s descendants could possibly have left Egypt at one point or another? How do you know this, if you do?

 

[Lapell]

Among the gods that Sister Amy mentionned, there was a Al-lat. Maybe it’s the one thought to be Allah in that list?

 

[Lapell]

The topic of discussion is not the validity of the Muslim faith but whether the name Allah refers to and idol. I would tread very carefully around the name of God.

One thing I admire about those of eastern descent, (not only Christians) is that they exhibit an attitude of reverence not just in prayer, but in all things religious. For that matter, even the Hindus I know (as polytheistic as they come) would not speak disrespectfully of our God. The same respect may or may not be extended to us Christians, but they generally draw the line at direct attacks on God.

If we are to win people over to Christ, surely we cannot be outdone in our behavior by them.

I agree.

 

[Ghoti]

According to my Jordan’s Encyclopedia of the Gods:

ALLAH. Origin: Nabataean and Arabic. Derived from the western Semitic god Il.
Known period of worship: c. 300 BC – present
“Creator god of Islam. Perceived in pre-Islamic times as the creator of earth and water. Named by the prophet Muhammad as the one true god…”

ALLAT: Astral and tutelary goddess; pre-Islamic northern and central Arabian. One of the three daughters of Allah. At Palmyra she wad regularly invoked as a domestic guardian either as Allat or Astarte with whom she is closely linked. At Ta’if she was symbolized in the form of a white granite stone." Heroditus called her “Alilat.”

 

[Ghoti]

More…

IL. Origin: Canaanite [northern Israel, Lebanon and Syrian coastal regions]. Creator god.
Known period of worship: c. 2000 BC (and prob earlier) – c. 200 BC or later.
Synonyms: El (Hebrew); Latipan; Tor-'Il.
“Il is the model on which the northern Israelite god, El, may have been based. The supreme authority, morally and creatively, overseeing the assembly of gods. The god to whom Baal is ultimately answerable…”

EL. Origin: Western Semitic regions and Israel (Northern Hebrew tribes)[Syria, Lebanon, Israel]. Creator god.
Known period of worship: c. 2500 BC to 700 BC.
Synonyms: El Elyon (most high god); El Sadday (god of the mountain); El Olam (everlasting god); El Betel (god of storms); Il [s. Arabia]
Modelled on the creator god of the Canaanites, Il, represented by the bull and revered by the Hebrew tribes who settled in northern Palestine. According to some Ugaritic (Ras Samra) texts, not the original creator but the offspring of an older principal, El’eb (god of the father). In Biblical texts the word el comes to be used in a descriptive sense as a qualifying epithet meaning “lord”. Possibly El came to represent the sum of all the creator spirits of the northern tribes. Israel was unwilling to part with the name against pressure from the southern state of Judah (see YHWH), but the name fell into disuse after the suppressuin of Israel by Tiglathpileser II (Assyria). The Hebrew term “elohim” may denote an “upper tier” of great gods whilst “elim” applies to a lower order of deities.
NOTE: Biblical traditions were carried by the southern state of Judah. The impression is given that El is a distant, vaguely defined figure perceived in human form – “he” is able to see, hear, walk, and touch – though no images in human form seem to have been created. El was apparently symbolized in Israel from c 922 BC again by the bull calf (I Kings 12), probably emulating the Canaanite precedent.

 

[Ghoti]

Last…

**YHWH **(I am what I am). Origin: Judaic [Israel]. Creator god.
Known period of worship: c. 1200 BC – present
The creator god of the southern tribes of Israel headed by Levi and Benjamin. Possibly a copy of the Egyptian god Atum (Aten), introduced by the pharaoh Amenhotep IV in the 15th cent BC. The object of monolatrous but not necessarily monotheistic worship by the Hebrew settlers in Palestine. Arguably the first surviving concept of a truly universal deity. YHWH is the god who was revealed to Moses on Mount Sinai (Mount Horeb) and who provided the covenant, the ten tablets of law…YHWH eventually superseded the northern god El, to become supreme deity of Israel…The name YHWH survived into Christian religion, though in English translation it is now generally replaced by the term “Lord”. “Jehovah” is a corruption introduced circa 1200-1300 AD.

And by the way…
French Dieu, Italian Dio, Spanish Dios, etc derive from Latin Deus, from Greek Theos – both of which were originally the name of Zeus, and all derive ultimately from the Proto-Indo-European sky god Dyeus (or Dyeus Ph2ter, “sky-father”), whose name was also passed down as:
• the Germanic Tiwaz,
• Norse Tyr,
• AngloSaxon Tiw/Tig,
• Irish Dagda,
• Baltic Dievas,
• Slavic Dazbog,
• Indo-Iranian Deva/Daeva.
From the long form we get
• Roman Iuppiter
• Gallo-Roman Dis Pater
• Vedic Dyauṣ Pitār
and so on.

The Online Etymology Dictionary also puts forth a connection with the English word “God”.

Also, “Lord” is old English for “Loaf-guard”.

 

[kalt]

This is my favorite. L)

" Slavic Dazbog"

 

[ralphinal]

The word “Allah” is the perfect word to describe the God of Jews and Christians as it does not permit gender nor plural. Therefore, when the word is used as in “Eloihim” or “Allahumma” (these would appear at first to be plural and/or female genders) it becomes clear it is the royal usage such as a king would use in referring to his royal station while make a decree of some type. The king would state, “We decree the following…” and he is actually talking about his royal position rather than plural status.

Slight problem with this assertion. In order for the Royal We to be used, one must have the understanding of the King as embodyment of the nation, and with that the nation as an entity of its own. This understanding did not exist at the time of the Ancient Jews. Kings considered themselves as gods, not as the face of a nation-state. It would be illogical for God to use an idiom not understood for a few thousand years.

There is no word in English for the “God” of Israel, the “God” of Jesus. This explains why the spelling remains the same whether speaking of a false “god” or pagan idol and the “God” of Abraham or Moses or Jesus (peace be upon them). Note the use of the capital “g” (G). This is the only way English can present a difference between the two. In the semitic languages it is easy to distinguish the difference between a “god” and “The God” due to the structure of the word itself.

Actually, there is. We can call him Father, Heavenly Father, or Yahweh. All of these are acceptable. God is simply the most widely used. With that, most of us will use God the Father or the Father in reference to the Old Testement God.

Evidence for this is quite simple. Visit any motel or hotel and remove the Bible located in the drawer next to the bed (placed they courtesy of the Gideon Society). Note inside the first few pages a reference to the translations of the Bible they have made into 27 languages. The second example they give is to the Arabic language of the passage in the New Testament from the Gospel of John 3:16. The verse begins in English; “For God so loved the world…” and in the Arabic translation the word used for “God” is “Allah.”

The Arabic Bible beginning with the Book of Genesis uses the word “Allah” to represent “The God” of Creation; Adam and Eve; Noah; Abraham; Ishmael and Isaac and Israel. Page one of Genesis has the word “Allah” 17 times.

No disagreement here. Allah is the Arabic word for God.

 

[meedo]

Ishmael did not settle in Arabia. He is not the father of arabs thus could not teach them the God of Abraham. Allah is a false god of polytheists,

i am sorry but you are wrong.

It is a consensus from the times of befoer islam that the house of God existing in Mecca was built by Abraham and Ishmael . it is also a consensus that many arabs in teh area decended of ihmael.

The well that he hit with his feet while he was a kid and thuirsty exists in Mecca today and called zam zam.

The pilgrimage muslim do is solely because Abraham called people for it. this pilgrimage existed long befroe Islam . All the hiostory of the arabs shows that arabs traced their ancestry to ishmael. I already explained this prabk about the idol God. You seem to got AllaH mixed up with ‘‘AllaT’’ which is a pre islamic imported idol!!

 

[Lapell]

Thank you. Ghoti, for all the information. I am grateful for it!

 

[Ghoti]

You’re welcome.

 

[inthecloud]

Fundamentalist hatemonges are now inventing the Allah is not Eloah (Elohim) as a way to push their militiaristic foreign policy.

There is no question that both Hebrew and Arabic are Semitic languages and share the same roots. Is the same word.
The real questions is about Muhammed prophethood.
Is the moslem image of God distorted?

 

[elt1956]

Some Protestants have told me that they believe that “Allah” is the name of one of the gods that people used to worship before Muhammed. Apparently they’re being given this information from the pulpit (It’s where they say they got it. There and at Bible study.) When I said that Muslims worship the same God that Jews and Christians worship, they called me “naive”. Apparently, there are some Protestant ministers, if not whole denominations, that believe that Muslims worship a different god. They think that those of us who know that Muslims worship the god of Abraham are being duped by wiley Muslims, who are only saying that they worship the same God we do so they can gain converts and mix into society in the US more easily. And they want to do that, so they can take over the US and the world, and kill all non-Muslims.

I know it sounds nuts, but this is what I’m being told. Glad I’m Catholic.

Where then, did Ishmael settle?

Mik

Well it certainly wasn’t that clear just from the post replying to her then.

Allah is the name of the chief god of the poytheist peoples who inhabited Mecca prior to Mohammed.

Allah is arabic for God. I have seen the following written in many places “There is no God but Allah (God) and Muhammad is His Prophet”. Also Allah akbar “God is great.”

 

[tomshaikh]

i am sorry but you are wrong.

It is a consensus from the times of befoer islam that the house of God existing in Mecca was built by Abraham and Ishmael . it is also a consensus that many arabs in teh area decended of ihmael.

The well that he hit with his feet while he was a kid and thuirsty exists in Mecca today and called zam zam.

The pilgrimage muslim do is solely because Abraham called people for it. this pilgrimage existed long befroe Islam . All the hiostory of the arabs shows that arabs traced their ancestry to ishmael. I already explained this prabk about the idol God. You seem to got AllaH mixed up with ‘‘AllaT’’ which is a pre islamic imported idol!!

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Thanks Meedo for answering my question which is “Allah is not the idol name”. You explained my question aboved i want to quote my answer from your aboved paragraph. Thank you very much.

I already explained this prabk about the idol God. You seem to got AllaH mixed up with “AllaT” which is a pre islamic imported idol.

Purpose of this Thread is over by Meedo response. I will request admin of Catholic Forum to please close this thread. Thank You

 

[Hastrman]

You could interpret Baal the same way.
YHVH is not Allah
YHVH is not Baal

Well, except that “Elohim” is the honorific plural of the Hebrew equivalent of the same biliteral root as Arabic “Allah”. So you might want to tell the Jews; they’ve basically been calling Him “Allah,” give or take, for, oh, four thousand years.

And before God was Adonai, he was “Ba’al Yisrael”–Ba’al is just the Hebrew (and indeed the general West Semitic) word for “Lord”; Adonai is I believe originally from Aramaic. They used the foreign title to be specific they meant “*Our *Lord” (Semites in general used the title Lord to refer to their chief, and tribal, god–among the Jews their tribal God was also their only one).

I do believe, however, that whoever said “Allah” is what the Arabs called their chief god, or at least the god of the heavens, is correct–but “El” is what the Canaanites called their god of the heavens, too.

Only, see, nobody worshiped El/Allah, particularly, before Abraham. The Arabs I think combined the worship of Allah, inherited from Ishmael, with the worship of a bunch of little Ba’alim, much as many of the Jews did or tried to do–with periodic heavenly spankings and prophetic chastisements as a result.

But do not Muslims concede that, prior to Muhammad, all the prophets were to Israel, not the Arabs? So is it surprising that, with all the same temptations to syncretism as the Jews, but none of the prophetic guidance until Muhammad came along, that they fell into error?

A Muslim could interpret the fact that Arabs profaned Allah by worshiping Him along with or even as one of their idols as a sign of how great Muhammad was, that he taught Islam’s strict monotheism not to monotheists, nor even to people who had never heard of Allah, but to half-instructed pagans who thought they were already doing all they had to do, in order to worship Allah.

 

[Hastrman]

You could interpret Baal the same way.
YHVH is not Allah
YHVH is not Baal

Well, except that “Elohim” is the honorific plural of the Hebrew equivalent of the same biliteral root as Arabic “Allah”. So you might want to tell the Jews; they’ve basically been calling Him “Allah,” give or take, for, oh, four thousand years.

And before God was Adonai, he was “Ba’al Yisrael”–Ba’al is just the Hebrew (and indeed the general West Semitic) word for “Lord”; Adonai is I believe originally from Aramaic. They used the foreign title to be specific they meant “*Our *Lord” (Semites in general used the title Lord to refer to their chief, and tribal, god–among the Jews their tribal God was also their only one).

I do believe, however, that whoever said “Allah” is what the Arabs called their chief god, or at least the god of the heavens, is correct–but “El” is what the Canaanites called their god of the heavens, too.

Only, see, nobody worshiped El/Allah, particularly, before Abraham. The Arabs I think combined the worship of Allah, inherited from Ishmael, with the worship of a bunch of little Ba’alim, much as many of the Jews did or tried to do–with periodic heavenly spankings and prophetic chastisements as a result.

But do not Muslims concede that, prior to Muhammad, all the prophets were to Israel, not the Arabs? So is it surprising that, with all the same temptations to syncretism as the Jews, but none of the prophetic guidance until Muhammad came along, that they fell into error?

A Muslim could interpret the fact that Arabs profaned Allah by worshiping Him along with or even as one of their idols as a sign of how great Muhammad was, that he taught Islam’s strict monotheism not to monotheists, nor even to people who had never heard of Allah, but to half-instructed pagans who thought they were already doing all they had to do, in order to worship Allah.