Allah prays to himself

[Acrusader]

I’m not a Manchester United F.C supporter. I COULD BE IF I WANTED TO. But I will never ever support them. I swear on my honour.
Only an idiot would take out the highlighted part and then try to prove I support man utd. If you’re going to make a point by using the Holy Quran try to quote verses in the context that they are in. Otherwise i could apply the same to the Bible and prove the same to you. I would bet a large wager on it. But I’m not allowed to gamble lol.

Let’s make something clear, Allah in the quran did not said that he will NEVER HAVE CHILDREN OR A WIFE.

This verse has nothing to do with what you are saying. This verse is only saying: How can God have children when he have no wife!

I only highlighted the part that server my idea.

The quran is applying human physics and rules on God; so God can have children he should have a wife in the first place!! In other words, it means that God can have children IF he has a wife, and this child/children would be the fruit of the “love” between God and his wife!

And for the original topic. Non-muslims might find it strange but there is nothing wrong with God praying. Praying is basically praising God. That is what we are here for. It is the most virtous act that we as humans can do. As far as I understand it, it’s guidance from God. He is telling us that if He can praise Himself then we should too. And if we do then we get rewarded after we die (similar to most religions). I juat don’t see what all the fuss is about about God praising himself

God praise him self…

 

[Acrusader]

Here is a kicker, if Allah can do everything , then He can have a son Jesus and exist in three persons. Is that not correct?

He can also have a wife if he wants (quranic mind )

 

[thegame_786]

Here is a kicker, if Allah can do everything , then He can have a son Jesus and exist in three persons. Is that not correct?

Yes Allah can but he has clearly said that he will not. And please don’t bother saying but he can do whatever he wants so he can lie. I can gather you don’t have respect for Islam but at least offer constructive critiscism. Think about it. If there is a God whetever it be Allah or Jesus or the Holy Father do you really think thats how it works. God is not a person that keeps changing his mind as he evolves. If he says something than thats it.

 

[thegame_786]

I don’t get it. Obviously the Quran and the New testament contradict each other. I’ll give you a hint its got something to do with different beliefs lol. Please don’t start that. Bottom line you have your book which you consider true and we have ours which we consider true. As far as you saying the Quran is sourced from other faiths than to an extent that is true. just like the christians were the successors of the jews similarly we believe that we are the successors of Christianity. We believe in many of the same prophets eg Noah. It all depends on which book you believe in. And before you start saying that Islam is taking Christian history…just remember most of its Jewish history, Both christians and muslims originated from Judaism which was at one point the true religion.
Lastly you’re right. It is a sin to claim to know the mind of God. Thanks for pointing it out. It is allowed in certain instances eg I can say God will never have a son because He has said it but I can’t say stuff like God will never forgive/help this person because God with his infinte mercy can forgive those who us humans would not

 

[thegame_786]

When did I say that Islam happened the next day lol. Christianity occured much longer after Judaism. Even the Christian doctrine was finalized 300 years after Christ. So theres no point bringing in the arguement about the time in between. And obviously Islam does reference Christianity. But a lot of it warns us not to make the same mistakes. I don’t see anything wrong with that. I actually consider it to be valuable advice

 

[thegame_786]

I know thats what i did. But it was only to validate my point that these sorts of statements are irelevent therefore i had to mention it briefly as an example.

 

[Abrahamic_Unity]

Yes, it also understood where I live that Allah is the same God, but Islam has a different understanding for God as he is not a Father.

Also someone can correct me if Im wrong but I thought the word Allah was used by Arabic speakers who were Christian before Muslims came in the respective lands. Right?

MJ

Yes that is true. Since Christianity is 500+ years older then Islam, Christian Arabs were using the word Allah before Muslim Arabs.

As for the first part of your comment, what is viewed as “The Father” in Christianity is the God of Abraham. This very same God of Abraham is the same God Muslims believe in. So Allah is the God of Abraham in Islam. El is the God of Abraham. And The Father is the God of Abraham. Semitic monotheism.

 

[Abrahamic_Unity]

I would love to answer your question on the basis that you are just trying to better understand your Muslim brothers & sisters vs. trying to come up with better ways to slander your fellow Abrahamic monotheists.

The Quran is more in line with the Old Testament of the Bible and so on. For one simple but major difference. The Trinity was created 300 years after Christ, Muslims do not believe that God is begotten nor does he beget. But Jesus in Islam is the Messiah, the same Messiah that returns on the day of Judgement.

When the Quran was revealed, the exact contents of the Biblical texts were limited to specific people such as Rabbis and so on. Since Jews of that time, along with Judaism being a religion, they were also a tribe, knowledge of the Talmud and so on were limited meaning most people did not know the contents of the old Biblical texts. The Quran specifically says that it is repeating a warning that was sent before to the People of the Book. The People of the Book ie, Christians and Jews.

And Jews do not accept the beliefs of Christians, so it is understandable that Christians will not accept the beliefs of Muslims. And it is also understandable that Jews will not accept the beliefs of Muslims. But please remember Muslim, first & foremost in Arabic means one who submits to the will of God. In early Islam, non Muslims referred to Muslims as Mohammedeans and infidels. Islam, by non Muslims was referred to as Mohammadism. But this was corrected because Muslims are Muslims, submitting to the will of God, which is higher then Mohamad, Jesus, Abraham and so on…

 

[Abrahamic_Unity]

Here is a kicker, if Allah can do everything , then He can have a son Jesus and exist in three persons. Is that not correct?

Allah aka God can have anything he wants. It is enough that Jesus is the Messiah in Islam. But as far as Islam is concerned, Prophets are sent as a mercy to mankind to warn of the final day to spread the word of 1 God. Judaism with it’s thousands of Prophets and messengers is 100% in line with this… I am sure that there is one God, I am sure that Jesus is righteous Prophet & messenger and the Messiah. I am sure Mohamad is a righteous Prophet & messenger, I am sure Abraham is a righteous Prophet & messenger, along with Moses, David, Isaac and so on. In Islam each Prophet or Messenger is given an honorable title by God. Of all of the Prophets, in Biblical and Islamic text, Abraham was tested by God far beyond any other Prophet. That is why he is the father of Prophets, ask yourself why then, is he not considered the son of God. It is better to be safe then sorry. And as I said before the concept of the Trinity was created 300 years after Christ. Early Christians did not believe in the Trinity…During the Crusades, Middle Eastern Christians fought WITH the Muslims and Jews against the Western/European Christians. One main reason the Crusaders felt it was fine to fight against their fellow Middle Eastern Christians was because of their disbelief/lack of emphasis in the Trinity.

If you study history through unbiased eyes it will make sense to you. I recommend reading an Orientalist and non Orientalist view of the history and then coming to your own conclusion based on the facts presented…

 

[Abrahamic_Unity]

The belief of Jesus as the Messiah of God is not limited to Christians and Christianity. The belief of one God the God of Abraham is not limited to Jews, Christians believe The Father is the God of Abraham. Muslims believe God (or Arabic word Allah) is the God of Abraham. The belief that Jesus was born through a virgin birth is not limited to Christianity.
In Islam the Virgin Mary is the highest women of all women, in heaven she ranks the highest seat amongst the women this includes higher then the seat of the Prophet Mohamad’s daughter Fatima and higher then his wife. The Virgin Mary is the only woman mentioned by name in good reference in the whole entire Quran. So you can take it however you want it.

Muslims believe in everything that Judaism believes in, except in Judaism Jesus is rejected as the Messiah. In Islam he is acknowledged as the rightful Messiah. Mohamad is the Prophet that spread this word and the same word that all of the Prophets before spread, same message, same concept. That is why no other Prophet has come after him. And that is why one of his titles is the Seal of all Prophets. Notice I did not say the best of Prophets, nor did I say the Messiah or savior and nor did I say the Father of all Prophets… And Islam agrees with everything in Christianity except the Trinity & Crucifixion.

**Please note that when Muslims pray those 5 times a day, they send peace and blessings/salutations to ALL of the Prophets and the righteous members of their households. And often when performing supplication, the blessings of God, Mohamad, Jesus, Mary, Abraham and so on are called upon. **

 

[Abrahamic_Unity]

I don’t get it. Obviously the Quran and the New testament contradict each other. I’ll give you a hint its got something to do with different beliefs lol. Please don’t start that. Bottom line you have your book which you consider true and we have ours which we consider true. As far as you saying the Quran is sourced from other faiths than to an extent that is true. just like the christians were the successors of the jews similarly we believe that we are the successors of Christianity. We believe in many of the same prophets eg Noah. It all depends on which book you believe in. And before you start saying that Islam is taking Christian history…just remember most of its Jewish history, Both christians and muslims originated from Judaism which was at one point the true religion.
Lastly you’re right. It is a sin to claim to know the mind of God. Thanks for pointing it out. It is allowed in certain instances eg I can say God will never have a son because He has said it but I can’t say stuff like God will never forgive/help this person because God with his infinte mercy can forgive those who us humans would not

Each holy book contradicts ITSELF… God can do whatever he wants…But God in Islam versus Christianity which accepts the Old Testament, appears to be far more merciful.

 

[Abrahamic_Unity]

take this example from the Quran:

 

[Abrahamic_Unity]

So here we have found a hadith from Tirmidhi,one of the purest 6 hadith books.But I will not be surprised if any Muslim will say that,this hadith is not authentic .

The PBUH means Peace be upon him, or her (ie Virgin Mary, Fatima Zahraa and so on). In Islamic Arabic, anytime a Prophets name is mentioned Arabic speakers will put A.S. instead of PBUH. A.S stands for alayhom el salam. Alayhom el salam literally translates into English as, peace be upon him/her/them… So stop making up stuff. =)

 

[KathleenGee]

God only hates sin.

In the Old Testament, nothing is more pleasing to God than treating one’s neighbors as brethren.

Once Islam took over, and years passed, Muslims and non-Muslims got on well…but it seems it is the period of conquests that the House of War is the dominant thrust.

The House of War does not exist in Christianity, but the Kingdom of Christ does…at the door of every human heart.

 

[KathleenGee]

One question:

As Israel is the covenant of Israel–the Jews expelled against their will, and also the beginnings of Christianity, do Muslims ever consider why Jews and Christians do not go to war or take over sacred places of Islam?

I have asked that before and never get an answer.

 

[Abrahamic_Unity]

I have a question. Is Allah the same as the God of Abraham, Issac, and Jacob or is a word for God that good Christians should never use?

Would one want to pray with the Muslims since Allah is God and we are all three worshiping the same God albeit imperfectly (i.e. Muslim prayer reaches Heaven just like Lutheran prayer reaches Heaven despite the fact that the founders of the religions are Luther and Muhammed) and we already pray with the non Catholic Christians and Jews, or would one want to avoid praying to Allah as one does not pray to Krishna, Zeus, or any false god?

Thank you for your post and your research into Islam! Maybe you might suggest the best books for me to read to get started in understanding Islam.

I love your display name, I was just listening to Ave Maria by Helen Fischer, one of the best renditions in my opinion. youtube.com/watch?v=1jS6qg6gTZ8

I will respond to you as if I’m not Muslim and from a factual position. It is general consensuses that Islam is one of the three of Abrahamic Monothestic religions. It is also general consensuses by the highest of Rabbis, Priests, scholars and so on that the Islamic God (known in Arabic as Allah) is the very same God of Abraham that Christians and Jews believe in. It is also mentioned in the Quran (which Muslims literally believe to be the words of God) that God, the God speaking in the Quran is the God of Abraham. As a Muslim I am taught to pray with my brother Christians, Jews AS WELL AS AGNOSTICS (believing in one higher power). Zeus, Krishna and so on are false Gods, this is my belief but that does not mean I look at every non Agnostic or monotheist as damned eternally to hell because I am taught not to judge and to focus on myself and my religion. =) I have studied Islam for 10+ years, Christianity and Judaism for 7 years and Near East/Middle Eastern history as well as the religious history of the region for over 6 yrs…

 

[Abrahamic_Unity]

One question:

As Israel is the covenant of Israel–the Jews expelled against their will, and also the beginnings of Christianity, do Muslims ever consider why Jews and Christians do not go to war or take over sacred places of Islam?

I have asked that before and never get an answer.

Because the Christians do not accept Islam as a true fellow Monotheistic religion.** Israel is Jacob (PBUH), just like how Abraham’s name was Abram but was changed to Abraham. Bani Israel or the Tribe of Israel/Jacob was a people, not a literal nation with boundaries. Most Jews that live in the modern country of Israel today are not genealogically Semitic, therefore not from the very same Covenant that you are referring to. But most Muslims and Christians from that region are Semites, so these very Semitic Christians and Muslims may have Hebrew origins… and if you like I can actually post factual/scientific proof ** Your actually incorrect, currently there is a fight over the Temple Mount in Jerusalem between Jews and Christians. Before Islam, Christians and Jews used to do pilgrimage to Mecca to the Kabaa (which was built by Abraham) so the annual Haj pilgrimage that u see Muslims doing, Christians and Jews used to observe this. After Islam, Mecca pretty much became all Muslim. Where I originate from, on top of the mountain is the tomb of a biblical Hebrew Prophet, Christians, Muslims and Jews of the area actually visit this area. During the war in my country, the Jews and Muslims fought over this mountain… All scared places of Judaism and many of the Christian ones are sacred to Muslims. But not all scared places of Islam are sacred to Christians and Jews. Just like how not all sacred places of Christianity are sacred to Judaism.

 

[Abrahamic_Unity]

God only hates sin.

In the Old Testament, nothing is more pleasing to God than treating one’s neighbors as brethren.

Once Islam took over, and years passed, Muslims and non-Muslims got on well…but it seems it is the period of conquests that the House of War is the dominant thrust.

The House of War does not exist in Christianity, but the Kingdom of Christ does…at the door of every human heart.

If you look at Jerusalem, the Christian Arabs, Middle Eastern Jews and Muslims coexisted in peace. When the Crusades happened, most of the Muslims and Jews were massacred or expelled from Jerusalem. And the Arab Christians were taken as slaves.

In Spain, during the reconquest, all of the Muslims and Jews were either massacred and expelled. Their children were taken from them and forced to convert.

The “House of War” very well exists amongst Christians. Christianity is peaceful, but as far as “religious” wars are concerned, more people have died from Christianity, then from Islam and Judaism combined… I don’t blame the religion, I blame the people. Because people are flawed…

 

[KathleenGee]

Hi Abrahamic Unity,

By your name and your studies, I can see you are searching for truth through history, and are seeking peace and unity among the 3 major religions of the world.

Thank you as well for the video of Helene singing ‘Ave Maria’ in German…Beautiful.

I myself am studying of our religions. I never heard of Christians and Jews visiting the Hajj, so would appreciate a link you could share.

I would also like the link stating that more people have died under Christianity than any other religion. That is new to me, and i know some of the numbers are coming from anti-Catholic Christian fundamentalists. America has probably the most anti-Catholic Christians anywhere.

Also I am beginning to study Spain. Documents on the Spanish Inquisition were not made public until August, 2003.

So yes please, show us your sources.

By the way, what country do you live in?