ALLAH same as GOD ? Or is this HERESY ?

[Jesusisgod]

It is for sure that Islam’s deity is not the God of the Christians for the simple fact, that God’s love for Israel was declared openly steadfast and eternal and Jesus Christ sent by God, was born as a Jew, sent as a Jew and died as King of the Jews. Yet today, the muslims are taught to massacre Jews.

The bible states that he who denies the Father and the Son and the deity of Christ is the Anti-Christ. Islam does this openly and thereby classifies itself as the Anti-Christian religion.

The book of revelations in 20:4 states that saints will be beheaded for Christ but later resurrected by God. Again, the only ones doing beheading in the entire world is the muslims.

Beyond a doubt, the deity of islam that hates Jews, promotes re-marriages, supports its founder’s incestuous relationship with his own adopted son’s wife plus pedophilic activities with little 9 year old girls totally violate the teachings of God.

The name allah is the name of an idol. Muslims say “there is no god but allah”, this naturally means that the word allah cannot literally mean god because no one says “there is no hill but hill”. Putting this together, muslims who shout allahu akhbar (allah is greater/greatest) are actually openly challenging that allah is greater than even God.

Now, with all these facts in place why should we force ourselves to agree with the ludicrous claim that just because we believe in one God, therefore allah must be it? Why not YHWH? Or are we acquiescing out of our dilemma to have God replaced right under our noses through some diabolical plan?

John 17:3
Now this is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.

The bible says, believers must know God and know the Son that He sent. Do we know God and do we have eternal life? Now, if we pray towards Mecca, is this considered Heresy? If so, I sure wish our Pope was cursing Mecca when he faced it.

 

[Genesis315]

In Catholic theology, when people worship one God–like the Jews or Muslims–it is considered to be the one true God. In Acts 17:23, St. Paul tells pagans they are worshipping the one true God:

“For passing by, and seeing your idols, I found an altar also, on which was written: To the unknown God. What therefore you worship, without knowing it, that I preach to you.”

Here are some more sources for this idea that Muslims worship the one true God:

Pope St. Gregory VII (11th century) to a Muslim prince: ‘Almighty God, who wishes that all should be saved and none lost, approves nothing in so much as that after loving Him one should love his fellow man, and that one should not do to others, what one does not want done to oneself. You and we owe this charity to ourselves especially because we believe in and confess one God, admittedly, in a different way, and daily praise and venerate him, the creator of the world and ruler of this world.’

Catechism of Pope St. Pius X : 12 Q. Who are infidels?
A. Infidels are those who have not been baptised and do not believe in Jesus Christ, because they either believe in and worship false gods as idolaters do, or though admitting one true God, they do not believe in the Messiah, neither as already come in the Person of Jesus Christ, nor as to come; for instance, Mohammedans and the like.

Catholic Encyclopedia: As in ecclesiastical language those who by baptism have received faith in Jesus Christ and have pledged Him their fidelity and called the faithful, so the name infidel is given to those who have not been baptized. The term applies not only to all who are ignorant of the true God, such as pagans of various kinds, but also to those who adore Him but do not recognize Jesus Christ, as Jews and Mohammedans.

Also see this chapter on Islam in Hillair Belloc’s "Great Heresies."
ewtn.com/library/HOMELIBR/HERESY4.TXT

Second Vatican Council: The Church regards with esteem also the Moslems. They adore the one God, living and subsisting in Himself; merciful and all- powerful, the Creator of heaven and earth, who has spoken to men; they take pains to submit wholeheartedly to even His inscrutable decrees, just as Abraham, with whom the faith of Islam takes pleasure in linking itself, submitted to God.

I hope that helps

 

[Prayer_Warrior]

I’m not sure what your sources are but Allah does mean God. There is no God but God is indeed what they say. Since they believe that the God they worship is the one and only God, that He created the Heavens and Earth, that He deserves complete honor and worship and that they (Muslims) are decendents of Abraham, I think it is obvious it is the same God.

The problem is the quran (speaking from a Christian perspective) is not the Word of God or at least, not the uncorrupted Word. We believe they are mistaught by the quran about God. Therefore, Muslims do not know God as He has been revealed to Christians. Neither do Jews for that matter, but I don’t see many people accusing the Jews a worshipping a “different” God. Hiliare Belloc said “heresies survive by the truth they contain”. Believe it or not, there is truth in Islam. There is ONE God, He did create the Heavens and Earth, etc. From the Christian perspective, the Muslims worship the God they do not yet know, because they do not know Christ Jesus.

Now, if they worshipped "a’ god that did not create everything or maybe they worshipped a god that was not all knowing and all powerful and they did not believe they had descended from Abraham’s line, then you may have a case…

 

[WyomingBob]

Hi people,
Well, having read the Koran (Q’ran if you insist on being pc) I am going to side with JesusisGod on this one.
Perhaps some in the true Church have said that Moslems do in fact worship the same God as Jews and Christians. Yet based on the Koran which is the teachings of Mohammad as he interprets what God “told” him, and if Mohammad in fact related without error what God taught / told him, one of our religions has seriously misinterpreted HIM.
If Mohammed is correct then our God can not be the same God as Allah. If Jesus was correct then Mohammad was a meglomaniac with serious delusions. ( Some of the historical outlines make this claim)
I would urge people to read some of the ‘historical outlines’ of Mohammad’s life and how he came to found the Islamic religion. Read also those that are put out by the apologists and decide for yourself. But most of all read the Koran and learn and decide for yourself.
And just because the greeks had an alter to the unknown god it does not follow that said unknown god was in fact GOD. And likewise simply because Mohammadians claim that Allah is the same as Yahweh does not make it so.
If anyone can point out in the Catachism of the Church where it is taught that Allah and Yahweh are one and the same I will of coursr apologise and fall in line after a trip to the reconciliation room.
And to the Moslims/Muslems; study the teachings of Jesus Christ, the Old and New Testaments, KNOW the LOVE of GOD not just the fear of HIM.

 

[Genesis315]

Muslims are similar to the pagans St. Paul came across who worshipped the one true God. They both simply have distorted understandings of Him–Muslims probably more distorted than the pagans! But if one looks at the history of Islam, Muhammed is simply a heresiarch who greatly corrupted Catholicism–not unlike the great heresiarch Arius.

Let us remember, that there is only one God. If someone is directing their worship to one God, it can only go to Him. Those who worship idols made from human hands or nature or poytheistic gods and goddesses who are not one and supreme cannot be considered as worshipping the one true God, because they are not directing worship towards the Supreme Being. But again, as long as someone is worshipping the Supreme Being, it must be the only Supreme Being who exists. They just need to get to know Him better

 

[FightingFat]

If you’ve been watching the Pope’s visit to Turkey on EWTN you may have noticed the Turkish Christians refer to God as Allah in their liturgy. Allah is a word for God. Muslims may have things wrong, but let’s not quibble over semantics.

 

[eleonardo]

The bible states that he who denies the Father and the Son and the deity of Christ is the Anti-Christ. Islam does this openly and thereby classifies itself as the Anti-Christian religion.

So do Jews, Budhists, Hindus, some Protestant denominations, Taoists, Atheists, etc etc etc.

 

[Reuben_J]

It is for sure that Islam’s deity is not the God of the Christians for the simple fact, that God’s love for Israel was declared openly steadfast and eternal and Jesus Christ sent by God, was born as a Jew, sent as a Jew and died as King of the Jews. Yet today, the muslims are taught to massacre Jews.

The bible states that he who denies the Father and the Son and the deity of Christ is the Anti-Christ. Islam does this openly and thereby classifies itself as the Anti-Christian religion.

The book of revelations in 20:4 states that saints will be beheaded for Christ but later resurrected by God. Again, the only ones doing beheading in the entire world is the muslims.

Beyond a doubt, the deity of islam that hates Jews, promotes re-marriages, supports its founder’s incestuous relationship with his own adopted son’s wife plus pedophilic activities with little 9 year old girls totally violate the teachings of God.

The name allah is the name of an idol. Muslims say “there is no god but allah”, this naturally means that the word allah cannot literally mean god because no one says “there is no hill but hill”. Putting this together, muslims who shout allahu akhbar (allah is greater/greatest) are actually openly challenging that allah is greater than even God.

Now, with all these facts in place why should we force ourselves to agree with the ludicrous claim that just because we believe in one God, therefore allah must be it? Why not YHWH? Or are we acquiescing out of our dilemma to have God replaced right under our noses through some diabolical plan?

John 17:3
Now this is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.

The bible says, believers must know God and know the Son that He sent. Do we know God and do we have eternal life? Now, if we pray towards Mecca, is this considered Heresy? If so, I sure wish our Pope was cursing Mecca when he faced it.

Muslims believe that they worship the God of Abraham. That’s enough for me to give them the benefit of saying that we worship the same God, for we too worship the God of Abraham. I’m not taking away from them what they profess to believe.

I agree with you that the Quran does give an utterly different picture of the God that we know of. But on the other hand there are many good values and thoughts in the Qurans. I know some very pious Muslims who can put many of us Catholics to shame in their way of life. And they are Muslims! So where do they get that inspiration and teaching?

Yet we cannot believe that the Quran is the word of God simply because it contradicts the Bible in the main thing especially with regards to Jesus. I’m pretty sure that many of the Quranic verses are not divinely revealed but from the evil one. Mohammad was on record to be confused at some points during the revelations; as if satanic oppression. Then there’s the life and the deeds of Mohammad himself which many were contrary to what he preached.

 

[sandmountainsli]

Ninety Qur’an surahs open with a score that mirror the style and content of Hanif poetry composed by Zayd, a contemporary of Muhammad. At this point, the prophet’s revealing spirit was an unnamed “Lord.” When we’re finally introduced, we learn that the Islamic god’s name is Ar-Rahman. And he is a dark and demented spirit, one who spends his days in hell. He deceives men, leads them astray, shackles them, dragging them to their doom. Ar-Rahman personally participates in hell’s torments, turning men on a spit, tearing them apart, forcing them to eat thorns, pitch, and boiling water. His paradise is a brothel. Its rivers flow with wine, and multiple virgins satiate the carnal desires of the faithful.

As you might imagine, Muhammad’s contemporaries, the Quraysh tribe in the little berg of Mecca, thought he was nuts.
prophetofdoom.net/chapter.aspx?g=401&i=41011

 

[Daniel_Marsh]

Based on the attributes of the true God, I don’t think Allah is the true God. Let’s look at the attribute of agape:

THE LOVE OF GOD, WHO DESERVES IT?

The study of the idea of divine love in the Qur’an provides the deciding evidence as to whether Allah is God or not.

Professor Daud Rahbar, a modern Muslim scholar wrote: “Unqualified Divine Love for mankind is an idea completely alien to the Qur’an. In fact ‘to love’ is a phrase too strong to convey the idea of ahabba which can be rendered equally well as to like or to approve … Even if we adopt the translation ‘loves’ for yuhibbu when it is used with God as the subject, nowhere we find the idea that God loves mankind. God’s love is conditional.”[106]

This is not only true of all the derivatives of the word ‘uhibbu’ -to love or approve- but it is also true of the only three passages where the word ’ wadda’ is used (19:96, 11:91-92, 85:12- 14). In all the Qur’anic passages where the above two words were used God’s love is conditional.[107]
In the whole of the Qur’an there is not one verse that talks about the love of God for the sinner, the wicked, the ungodly. While in the Bible the love of God for the sinner is stated both in words and in deed.

**According to the Qur’an God only loves the righteous[108], the godly[109], the repentant[110], and those who fight for his sake[111]. But God does not love the wicked[112], the wasteful[113], the proud[114], the infidels[115], and the ungodly[116], etc. **

Another Muslim scholar, observing the above, stated:

“**The love of God was not stated by the Qur’an except for those who possess great virtues which result in the good of mankind and human society. And was denied by God for those who are described by extreme wickedness which results in spreading harm and corruption.”**117]

But in Christianity, God loves not only the godly but also the ungodly, the wicked, and the sinner. The Love of God is stated in the Bible as being for the whole world: “For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.”[118] God according to Christianity loved the whole world, the godly and the ungodly.

God loves the ungodly not after he repents and becomes good, but God loves him even before he is transformed. God hates sin but loves the sinner.

Unlike the Qur’an, the love of God in the Bible is directed towards and expressed for the sinner in the highest possible form, and in the following clear words:

"For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly.

For scarcely for a righteous man will one die: yet peradventure for a good man some would even dare to die.

**But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us."**119]

Indeed this is the main message of Christianity.

debate.domini.org/newton/allah.html#love

euroleadershipresourc…php?ID=324

 

[Prayer_Warrior]

Yes, Daniel-- I’m sure most Christians would agree that many of the attributes assigned to Allah do not match what we Christians know about God. But, that doesn’t mean that Allah is not the God we know…only that the Muslim source of information about Allah is incorrect. So what you really argued (successfully) in your post is that the quran does not match the Bible in talking about the love of God. I certainly agree with that!

Remember, that Jews may not describe God with all the same attributes either…and I don’t think anyone doubts that they worship the same God. Only that they have an incomplete picture of God (speaking from a Christian perspective, of course).

 

[Nan_S]

Muslims believe that they worship the God of Abraham. That’s enough for me to give them the benefit of saying that we worship the same God, for we too worship the God of Abraham. I’m not taking away from them what they profess to believe.

It’s worth reminding folks, if they didn’t already know, that Pope Benedict XVI while in Turkey went into the Blue Mosque and stood side-by-side with the Muslims in prayer - facing in the direction of Mecca, no less.

 

[Reuben_J]

It’s worth reminding folks, if they didn’t already know, that Pope Benedict XVI while in Turkey went into the Blue Mosque and stood side-by-side with the Muslims in prayer - facing in the direction of Mecca, no less.

JP2 recieved lots of flaks when he kissed the Quran in Damascus. It’s tough taking this line, not least for seemingly to be seen as to want to be politically correct. But lets take the moral high ground as Christians and extend that charity to Muslims by saying, yes, if they say so, we are worshipping the same God. But there’s more to God which they do not know.

 

[Angelos]

I, personally, always avoid invoking the name of Allah in my prayers since I do not believe any more that the notion of Allah is identical with the biblical notion of one true God! It is true that Arabic Christians still say “Allah” throughout Christian liturgies because that specific word has been used as the equivalent of “the God” in Arabic culture. However, it is Muslims, in the first place, that convey particular meanings to Allah and almost always replace it with the word “the God” or “God” in English translations! Most Muslims I have discussed this issue so far contend that they never use “GOD” in their prayers because that noun now refers to the false gods (idols) of paganism through the description of idols as “gods” in Greek mythology. This is why Muslims tend to define “Allah” as the foremost proper noun of the only Supreme Creator, confining this Arabic word to Islamic terminology.

Besides, I have many Turkish Christian friends who state that Protestants living in Turkey leave the word “Allah” out of their Bible translations whereas other Churches use the Turkish word meaning “God” and “Allah” interchangeably.

As a personal reaction to the Islamic insistence on imprisoning “Allah” to Islam and the Quran, I have modified the Islamic creed into:“La Allah, illa Yehovah!” (There is no Allah but Jehovah!)

Peace to all,
Angelos N.

 

[Angelos]

I, personally, always avoid invoking the name of Allah in my prayers since I do not believe any more that the notion of Allah is identical with the biblical notion of one true God! It is true that Arabic Christians still say “Allah” throughout Christian liturgies because that specific word has been used as the equivalent of “the God” in Arabic culture. However, it is Muslims, in the first place, that convey particular meanings to Allah and almost always replace it with the word “the God” or “God” in English translations! Most Muslims I have discussed this issue so far contend that they never use “GOD” in their prayers because that noun now refers to the false gods (idols) of paganism through the description of idols as “gods” in Greek mythology. This is why Muslims tend to define “Allah” as the foremost proper noun of the only Supreme Creator, confining this Arabic word to Islamic terminology.

Besides, I have many Turkish Christian friends who state that Protestants living in Turkey leave the word “Allah” out of their Bible translations whereas other Churches use the Turkish word meaning “God” and “Allah” interchangeably.

As a personal reaction to the Islamic insistence on imprisoning “Allah” to Islam and the Quran, I have modified the Islamic creed into:“La Allah, illa Yehovah!” (There is no Allah but Jehovah!)

Peace to all,
Angelos N.

 

[Daniel_Marsh]

Sirach 36:5 And let them know thee, as we have known thee, that **there is no God but only thou, O God. **

1 Chronicles 17:20
"There is no one like you, O LORD, and there is no God but you, as we have heard with our own ears.

1 Corinthians 8:4
So then, about eating food sacrificed to idols: We know that an idol is nothing at all in the world and that there is no God but one.

1 Chronicles 17:20 (King James Version)
O LORD, there is none like thee, neither is there any God beside thee, according to all that we have heard with our ears.

1 Corinthians 8:4 (King James Version)
As concerning therefore the eating of those things that are offered in sacrifice unto idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is none other God but one.

 

[manualman]

C.S. Lewis addressed this issue subtly in his Narnia series and I tend to think he got it quite well.

The Calormen (who rather resemble muslims, actually) worship a god called Tash. In this religion, Tash is seen as the all-powerful and only true God - all others being phonies. At the last judgement, God (Aslan) came to a Calorman who had all his life embraced the grace available to him and cultivated the virtues found in natural law. Because of his culture, he worshipped ‘Tash.’ But Aslan welcomed him into paradise because, in the man’s heart, he actually worshipped Aslan.

I think this is the sense in which Allah is our God. What the church means is NOT that all of the Islamic teachings about Allah are true of God, obviously not. What she means is that when muslims accept the graces that are offered them, worship Allah as the all-powerful creator worthy of our honor and worship and seek to cultivate virtues as an expression of love for Allah, then the God of the cross does not quibble on judgement day about what WORD is used to name Him. He judges based on how each man responded to the Grace he was offered during his life. Islam DOES contain a substantial remnant of Judeo-Christian teachings. Those who hold to that while rejecting the flaws (consciously or un), get credit for worshipping the true God.

 

[Valke2]

It is for sure that Islam’s deity is not the God of the Christians for the simple fact, that God’s love for Israel was declared openly steadfast and eternal and Jesus Christ sent by God, was born as a Jew, sent as a Jew and died as King of the Jews.

He died as king of the Jews???

The bible states that he who denies the Father and the Son and the deity of Christ is the Anti-Christ. Islam does this openly and thereby classifies itself as the Anti-Christian religion.

Wouldn’t this also apply to Jews, Hindus and every other religion outside of Christanity.

The name allah is the name of an idol. Muslims say “there is no god but allah”, this naturally means that the word allah cannot literally mean god because no one says “there is no hill but hill”.

Hear O Israel, the Lord is our God, the Lord is One. That’s pretty much saying the same thing. In other words, there is no diety besides (other than) God.

Now, with all these facts in place why should we force ourselves to agree with the ludicrous claim that just because we believe in one God, therefore allah must be it? Why not YHWH? /QUOTE}

A rose by any other name…

 

[Melchior]

Jesus is God. They deny He is and refuse to worship Him. God is a Trinity. They deny this. Their god in unitarian and has a very different character than the one, true God. They worship a different God. Being monotheistic is not evidence of worshipping the same god. If one believes the sun is the one true god and worships it, it is not directed toward the true God it is an abomination.

The arguments here, with all due respect, are nonsensical. If I say I have a sister named Suzie who is a brunette girl aged 35 and some one comes along and claims he is my brother and has the same sister, but says his sisters name is church and is really a 50 year old man guess what? It ain’t the same sister.

In fact Muslims would deny that we worship the same God. I we were talking Jews there could be an argument about an imcomplete view of God. With muslims it is and entirely different god. The only similar characteristics are monotheism and invisibility. That is where it begins and ends. What they worship, this god who demands the death of infidels and calls Jews apes and pigs is either a fiction or a demon. The God of the Bible, the Christian God is the antithesis of this.

Mel

 

[Image_of_God]

Jesus is God. They deny He is and refuse to worship Him. God is a Trinity. They deny this. Their god in unitarian and has a very different character than the one, true God. They worship a different God. Being monotheistic is not evidence of worshipping the same god. If one believes the sun is the one true god and worships it, it is not directed toward the true God it is an abomination.

The arguments here, with all due respect, are nonsensical. If I say I have a sister named Suzie who is a brunette girl aged 35 and some one comes along and claims he is my brother and has the same sister, but says his sisters name is church and is really a 50 year old man guess what? It ain’t the same sister.

In fact Muslims would deny that we worship the same God. I we were talking Jews there could be an argument about an imcomplete view of God. With muslims it is and entirely different god. The only similar characteristics are monotheism and invisibility. That is where it begins and ends. What they worship, this god who demands the death of infidels and calls Jews apes and pigs is either a fiction or a demon. The God of the Bible, the Christian God is the antithesis of this.

Mel

Does this mean that Jews do not worship the same God even though they do not except the Trinity?

The bottom line is this: You cannot say Jews worship the same God without saying that Muslims do to, unless you are being a hypocrite.