Allah Takes Over Catholic Church

[malphono]

Isn’t this a bit harsh. Reminds me of yesterday’s reading at Divine Liturgy, The Good Samaritan. We’re just being good neighbors to the Muslims despite of religious differences, as the Samaritan was to the Jew.

No, I don’t see it as “harsh” at all. Quote all the Scripture you want out of context. Being a “good neighbor” to those with a sword poised over your neck is just a bit much.

Apparently, as I said, the leaders of the false religion aren’t interested in helping their own people out. Fine. Let them go home where they can practice their false religion to their hearts’ content. What’s so harsh about that?

 

[malphono]

Would the Muslims ever allow the Christians to pray in their mosques? Absolutely not. They exploit our pliability, while being resolute and firm themselves. Europe is giving itself up. Slow and steady wins the race.

This applies to the US as well.

 

[ConstantineTG]

No, I don’t see it as “harsh” at all. Quote all the Scripture you want out of context. Being a “good neighbor” to those with a sword poised over your neck is just a bit much.

Apparently, as I said, the leaders of the false religion aren’t interested in helping their own people out. Fine. Let them go home where they can practice their false religion to their hearts’ content. What’s so harsh about that?

Isn’t that why Christ asks us to turn the other cheek too? I admit, perfect Christian Charity is hard. I speak it but hardly practice it. But still we should realize that we are to give ourselves completely the same way Christ gave himself completely to us. We are sinners yet he gave His life for us. Why can’t we let heathens seek refuge in our parish buildings? At the end of the day, its just a building. Christ is in our hearts. If we do this for the right reasons then we carry Christ safely in our hearts without worry of defilement of the building.

 

[malphono]

Isn’t that why Christ asks us to turn the other cheek too? I admit, perfect Christian Charity is hard. I speak it but hardly practice it. But still we should realize that we are to give ourselves completely the same way Christ gave himself completely to us. We are sinners yet he gave His life for us. Why can’t we let heathens seek refuge in our parish buildings? At the end of the day, its just a building. Christ is in our hearts. If we do this for the right reasons then we carry Christ safely in our hearts without worry of defilement of the building.

As I said, quote all the Scripture you want out of context. makes no difference to me. There is no “right reason” to give succor to those who would obliterate the Church, and subjugate its believers to the point of forced conversion. They did it in North Africa. They tried to do it in Iberia. They are still trying to do it in the Middle East. If you think Europe and/or North America are immune, think again.

Martyrdom (true Christian Martyrdom – I don’t care about how the believers of the false religion use the word) is one thing, but asking for trouble is something else.

In any case, why can’t the believers of the false religion seek refuge in their own buildings?

 

[ConstantineTG]

Don’t think I don’t know this. The Philippines, while predominantly Roman Catholic, has a strong Muslim presence in the south which is always a source of fighting and instability. They’ve been there even before the Philippines was Christian. That is why I have a different view on the Spanish Inquisition because if not for it our country will be all-Muslim today like Indonesia and Malaysia.

 

[Crusading_Canuk]

Isn’t this a bit harsh. Reminds me of yesterday’s reading at Divine Liturgy, The Good Samaritan. We’re just being good neighbors to the Muslims despite of religious differences, as the Samaritan was to the Jew.

My friend, you’r taking this out of context. First of all the Good Samaritan took the Jew to an inn not a temple. Perhaps the Bishop or Cardinal should have found other
accomidations if he was truely interested in helping. Certainly the diocease has other properties and resources than the Cathedral itself. Christ teaches us to help all but never does he tell us to allow heathens to desecrate our Churches and Cathedrals in the name of “charity”. Also the key word here is “illegal” which refers to someone commiting a crime. Last time I checked the Jew in the parable was the victim of crime not the criminal.

 

[roveau]

I think you missed the whole point of it…and I will point it out…

They are assisting the Belgian authorities, by showing kindness to those who are in need…sure they shouldn’t have put the banner up. But I am sure those people have been through enough as it is…

Allah is a word, not the name of a god, it simply means ‘God’ and the Belgian bishops know this.

The Belgian bishops, as other bishops elsewhere, are aware that Christ tells us to look after the stranger within our gates.

In Belgium there are so many churches that are closed, especially in the large urban centres such as Brussels - often magnificent churches - but they have lost their congregations. The bishops are allowing these people without homes to go to shelter in those mostly empty houses of God.

When I was in Liege I couldn’t even get into the principal churches/cathedrals of the city (where some of my ancestors worshiped) because they were closed to the public.

 

[ConstantineTG]

My friend, you’r taking this out of context. First of all the Good Samaritan took the Jew to an inn not a temple. Perhaps the Bishop or Cardinal should have found other
accomidations if he was truely interested in helping.

The problem here in the parable is the two people who could have taken him to the temple (the priest and the levite) passed him over and left him for dead. The Samaritan couldn’t have taken him to a temple because they are not temple worshipers. But don’t forget the fact that while Samaritans share the Jewish faith, Samaritans and Jews hate each other more than they would pagans. And I think it applies to this situation.

Certainly the diocease has other properties and resources than the Cathedral itself.

Are we sure about that? Are these other resources available?

Christ teaches us to help all but never does he tell us to allow heathens to desecrate our Churches and Cathedrals in the name of “charity”. Also the key word here is “illegal” which refers to someone commiting a crime. Last time I checked the Jew in the parable was the victim of crime not the criminal.

Christ broke the Sabbath discipline to help people. I don’t see why he wouldn’t let us use parishes to help those in need.

 

[Ghosty]

I’m confused as to why a thread with no relevance to Eastern Catholicism is in the Eastern Catholic section.

Peace and God bless!

 

[Crusading_Canuk]

The problem here in the parable is the two people who could have taken him to the temple (the priest and the levite) passed him over and left him for dead. The Samaritan couldn’t have taken him to a temple because they are not temple worshipers. But don’t forget the fact that while Samaritans share the Jewish faith, Samaritans and Jews hate each other more than they would pagans. And I think it applies to this situation.

Are we sure about that? Are these other resources available?

Christ broke the Sabbath discipline to help people. I don’t see why he wouldn’t let us use parishes to help those in need.

Ok I do see what you mean, all I meant was there were more suitable places than the Cathedral. Let’s face it they had tents in there, along with computers, TV and FIRE. It would just have been easier and more respectful if other accomodations were aranged. Obviously we need to help those in need but we do need to have standards in regards to the Cathedral itself.

 

[malphono]

The case presented in the OP is relevant to this forum by extension: the bishops in Belgium giving succor to illegal migrants of another religion, which is the same false religion that is (and has been) hell-bent on on destroying Christianity, particularly native Middle Eastern Christianity. The OP should probably have been added to one of the other existing threads on the matter.

 

[malphono]

Don’t think I don’t know this. The Philippines, while predominantly Roman Catholic, has a strong Muslim presence in the south which is always a source of fighting and instability. They’ve been there even before the Philippines was Christian. That is why I have a different view on the Spanish Inquisition because if not for it our country will be all-Muslim today like Indonesia and Malaysia.

And that makes the defense of the false religion and its adherents (who are illegal migrants in the case of the OP) even more confusing.

 

[ConstantineTG]

And that makes the defense of the false religion and its adherents (who are illegal migrants in the case of the OP) even more confusing.

Harboring hate is against Christian teaching. Even though we’ve been exposed to terrorism way before 9/11, in the end as Christians if there is a genuine need we would help them even though 364 days a year we are at war with them. Oftentimes we look at whats unifying (we are all Filipinos) instead of what divides us. In this case with Belgium, we should see them as human beings. Last time I checked, all humans regardless of faith is created in the image and likeness of God. We should treat them accordingly. Whatever other things they do we leave it up to God.

 

[dzheremi]

I’m confused as to why a thread with no relevance to Eastern Catholicism is in the Eastern Catholic section.

Peace and God bless!

I do not know either, Ghosty. Perhaps because I found the article on a Coptic forum? I had it posted in the “Non-Catholic Religions” section, but the moderator of that forum moved it here for some reason. Sometimes mods work in mysterious ways, I suppose.

 

[malphono]

Harboring hate is against Christian teaching.

I said nothing about hate, and I prefer that other people don’t put words in my mouth.

Even though we’ve been exposed to terrorism way before 9/11, in the end as Christians if there is a genuine need we would help them even though 364 days a year we are at war with them. Oftentimes we look at whats unifying (we are all Filipinos) instead of what divides us. In this case with Belgium, we should see them as human beings. Last time I checked, all humans regardless of faith is created in the image and likeness of God. We should treat them accordingly. Whatever other things they do we leave it up to God.

At the risk of redundancy … oh what’s the use. This is a waste of time. :banghead:

 

[ConstantineTG]

I said nothing about hate, and I prefer that other people don’t put words in my mouth.

I never said you did. I just said that my position is what it is because its unChristian-like to harbor hate.

 

[Ashurie]

I never said you did. I just said that my position is what it is because its unChristian-like to harbor hate.

That is the unfortunate thing I see often on these forums, particularly against other religions

 

[dzheremi]

Malphono, you may leave out of the frustration felt upon hitting the wall of another’s naivette (I may do the same, in fact; I fear my coming back here after a six month absence may have been a mistake), but please do not think that you do not have allies here. There is nothing un-Christian in preserving our faith against the falsehood of Christ-deniers, and all the happy go lucky inclusophilia in the world will not change the truth. He who has ears, let him hear…

 

[malphono]

Malphono, you may leave out of the frustration felt upon hitting the wall of another’s naivette (I may do the same, in fact; I fear my coming back here after a six month absence may have been a mistake), but please do not think that you do not have allies here. There is nothing un-Christian in preserving our faith against the falsehood of Christ-deniers, and all the happy go lucky inclusophilia in the world will not change the truth. He who has ears, let him hear…

Thanks for the kind support. It’s very much appreciated.

 

[mardukm]

No, I don’t think it was foolish at all. Seems to me the Coptic criticism is correct. Whether the statues were veiled or not is rather immaterial.

No it’s not. The veiling (from the Latin perspective) is actually suppose to increase awareness of the holiness of the object.

Blessings