Allah

[TheAtheist]

I have no idea. I have heard of at least one muslim saying we do but I do not know what their leaders teach. I am sure some say yes and some say no, just like among Christians. It does not matter to me even if the majority say no because I believe The Catholic Church.

From a Historical Perspective - you’ll find that Muslim leaders have in fact stated that you and the Jews do in fact worship the same God as they do.

…Its just that you do so deficiently (hey Catholics, does this argument sound familiar? )

Specifically, the arguments that i’ve read/get presented to me by Muslim colleagues revolves around the nature of your Holy Books.

The Muslims had a debate during the era of the Abbasid Caliphate about the nature of Koran - was it something that was Created by God at some particular point in time in History? Or was it Uncreated and Co-Existed with God since well… before Time I guess.

It sounds like a pretty arcane argument, then again we are viewing this from outside their religious faith - I mean, to me at least, the arguments regarding the nature of Jesus of Nazareth that you folks had with the Orthodox and the Oriental Orthodox seem just as arcane.

The “Uncreated/Coexisted with Allah” group won the debate. The implications then being that their Holy Book is without error.

The Secondary Implication is that the Holy Books of Judaism and Christianity ARE in Error… That you somehow lost the True Meaning of the Will of Allah because of an imperfect message.

So, you know how you Catholics like to say your Bible is Divinely Inspired? To the Muslim point of View, that’s a major weakness. The Koran is Certain, to them at least, because of the aforementioned theological argument.

The Jews get hit with the same accusation - which is actually utilized by the Orthodox Christians as well.

Specifically - you know how there are 2 recensions of the Hebrew section of the Bible - the Septuagint written in Greek and the Masoretic stuff written i guess in Hebrew.

On the rare occasion I interact with an Orthodox Christian (i’m just not in a position to meet them frequently), the ones who are…shall we say Strident about their faith… tend to hurl the accusation at the Jews for changing their texts to make it “Less Christological” (whatever that means - sorry i don’t really understand the issue here) - arguing that the Septuagint is the better translation which affirms the theology of the Orthodox Church.

To my understanding, you folks in the Catholic Church follow the Masoretic texts. Always wondered what the larger community of Protestants out there do…

But to the Muslim eye… “2 versions of the Old Testament” = “Someone didn’t do their Job Properly and Preserve the Will of God accurately”

Hence…to them at least… you have an Incomplete Faith in their God…

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From my own Non-Religious Perch, I prefer to identify this on 2 Psychological Trends:

Whether you are a Christian/Muslim/Jew/Buddhist/whatever

1.) There is a wing in each religion that likes to think that whatever Creator deity is in charge of the Universe wouldn’t necessarily leave every other person who isn’t born into a specific faith out in the cold so to speak.

So this produces the attitude of, “Well… if the Christian/Muslim/Jew/Buddhist had the whole truth, they would would join my religion…but that doesn’t mean that some measure or portion of the Truth isn’t present in their own.”

This line of argument maintains the Truth of your individual faiths and the conviction that life would be better for those who aren’t part of your faiths to join your religion…yet acknowledging a person still has the action for moral capacity even if do come outside of your faith.

2.) The other end of the Spectrum in every religion thinks the previous viewpoint is a Cop-Out. You are somehow shirking your duty to the Deity by promoting such a viewpoint Ie:- you are a fence-sitter, you don’t love Jesus enough, you are a Corruptor of the Buddha’s dharma, you are a Kaafir…etc…etc…etc…

This Behavioural pattern demands proselytization of their respective religion, and views any attempt at even hinting that a person coming outside of a faith might be correct on a few matters is somehow undermining the whole project of (Insert Religion).

To them, regardless of what religion we are talking about, their co-religionist who don’t take a stronger stance are being wishy-washy and bear the risk of confusing people.

Group 1 Above tends to answer back that that Group 2’s stance has a habit of leading to…shall we say less than neighborly conduct when taken to an extreme…

 

[LaughingBoy1503]

Your position may be analogous to how we viewed the Soviet Union back in the '50s. Because of our lack of understanding their beliefs and goals, we entered into a decades long Cold War. In the end, understanding that the Soviet people were just like us but their leaders had a totally different goal than their people (and the US) allowed the US to employ asymmetrical strategy to defeat them (don’t defeat their tanks on the battlefield, bankrupt their economy instead.) As Catholic Christians, we should indeed be primarily focused on our faith but we will deal with non-Catholics still and need to understand them if we are to communicate with them in mutual love.

It is not about me not understanding them. I do not know everything about a lot of different religions. I entered into The Catholic Church from Protestantism after a lot of research. I still have a lot to learn. I run into non Catholic Christians more than I do muslims, so I keep up with my apologetics. I simply do not have the brain power to also take on studying about what muslims believe right now. I know the basics but it is not a top priority for me. That does not mean I do not understand them or that I do not care to understand them. I believe they worship the one true God but their understanding of Him is different and I know not every Muslim is a terrorist. That is better understanding about Muslims that they get sometimes from people on these forums claiming that they believe Muslims worship a different god even when The Church says that is not so.

 

[Reuben_J]

When it comes to non-Catholic Christians, there can be a variety of reasons.I have never heard a protestant say Christians and Muslims worship the same God. Even when I was a protestant, most of the time I thought that “Allah” was a name. The name of the muslim god. I did not know it actually meant God. Some evangelicals are taught that the god of the muslims is actually a pagan moon god. I read a Chick tract when I was a kid that muslims worship a pagan moon god. And of course in the tract, when a muslim is told this by a evangelical, the muslim converts to christianity in about 5 minuets, as if winning a genuine convert is ever going to be that easy

When a Catholic claims that Muslims and Christians do not worship the same God it can be one of two things. One, they have never read The Catechism of The Catholic Church or have been taught wrongly on the subject. Or two, they have read the Catechism or been rightly taught but they think they know better than The Church for whatever reason. You will hear lots of Catholics saying that Muslims and Christians do not worship the same God but here is what The Catechism says on the subject.

841 The Church’s relationship with the Muslims. "The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the **Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind’s judge on the last day."330
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They worship The God of Abraham. They just do not have a correct understanding of God according to our understanding, which obviously all Catholics should think is the correct understanding. They do not believe in The Trinity obviously, but neither do the Jews. That does not mean that they do not worship The one true God. PERIOD. No matter what some Catholics claim.

Good post. Yes, that is what the Catechism teaches, that Muslims worship the same God as us. As Catholics, we, of course, have to accede to that teaching.

The truth is probably quite a big portion of Catholics world wide, seeing what people do in the name of Islam today, would rather that the Church teaches differently on how we should view their religion.

To some Catholics, it may be a big problem, for me, well, I can live with it.

The problem of course basically stem from the fact that Islam denies the crucifixion. For people such as these, Jesus has strong word for them. “Get behind me, you, Satan”, he said to Peter, who gave a hint of suggestion that he (Jesus) should not succumb to the Sanhedrin to be tried and killed.

The crux of Christianity belief is that salvation is attained by this crucifixion, death of the Lord on the cross. Without the cross, it means to say, there is no salvation.

That is the problem - Islam denial of crucifixion. We cannot help but refer to what Jesus said on this … that only Satan would want to deny it, perhaps to deceive, for only it would rather humankind do not have salvation. In other word, anyone who denies the crucifixion, is equivalent to undo the work of the Messiah on the cross.

For some Catholics who find problem with the present Catechism teaching, and then have to accede to it, would be to work our reasons to fit this teaching.

An easy one is to consider what the Muslims themselves say, that they worship the one Creator God. There is only one Creator and so they worship the one God that we worship albeit that their understanding of this God is flawed.

 

[LaughingBoy1503]

I guess I’m confused. Isn’t Jesus the Way, the Truth and the Life? Maybe I’m misunderstanding what the CCC quotation meant…

Blessed New Year!

Rita

How does what the catechism says take away from Jesus being the way Truth and Life? If Jesus is Lord, then he can save who he wants, Christian or not. That does not mean you do not have to believe in Jesus, it means God does not condemn those who through no fault of their own never had a chance to but followed the laws God places in every mans heart.

 

[LaughingBoy1503]

From a Historical Perspective - you’ll find that Muslim leaders have in fact stated that you and the Jews do in fact worship the same God as they do.

…Its just that you do so deficiently (hey Catholics, does this argument sound familiar? )

Specifically, the arguments that i’ve read/get presented to me by Muslim colleagues revolves around the nature of your Holy Books.

The Muslims had a debate during the era of the Abbasid Caliphate about the nature of Koran - was it something that was Created by God at some particular point in time in History? Or was it Uncreated and Co-Existed with God since well… before Time I guess.

It sounds like a pretty arcane argument, then again we are viewing this from outside their religious faith - I mean, to me at least, the arguments regarding the nature of Jesus of Nazareth that you folks had with the Orthodox and the Oriental Orthodox seem just as arcane.

The “Uncreated/Coexisted with Allah” group won the debate. The implications then being that their Holy Book is without error.

The Secondary Implication is that the Holy Books of Judaism and Christianity ARE in Error… That you somehow lost the True Meaning of the Will of Allah because of an imperfect message.

So, you know how you Catholics like to say your Bible is Divinely Inspired? To the Muslim point of View, that’s a major weakness. The Koran is Certain, to them at least, because of the aforementioned theological argument.

The Jews get hit with the same accusation - which is actually utilized by the Orthodox Christians as well.

Specifically - you know how there are 2 recensions of the Hebrew section of the Bible - the Septuagint written in Greek and the Masoretic stuff written i guess in Hebrew.

On the rare occasion I interact with an Orthodox Christian (i’m just not in a position to meet them frequently), the ones who are…shall we say Strident about their faith… tend to hurl the accusation at the Jews for changing their texts to make it “Less Christological” (whatever that means - sorry i don’t really understand the issue here) - arguing that the Septuagint is the better translation which affirms the theology of the Orthodox Church.

To my understanding, you folks in the Catholic Church follow the Masoretic texts. Always wondered what the larger community of Protestants out there do…

But to the Muslim eye… “2 versions of the Old Testament” = “Someone didn’t do their Job Properly and Preserve the Will of God accurately”

Hence…to them at least… you have an Incomplete Faith in their God…

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From my own Non-Religious Perch, I prefer to identify this on 2 Psychological Trends:

Whether you are a Christian/Muslim/Jew/Buddhist/whatever

1.) There is a wing in each religion that likes to think that whatever Creator deity is in charge of the Universe wouldn’t necessarily leave every other person who isn’t born into a specific faith out in the cold so to speak.

So this produces the attitude of, “Well… if the Christian/Muslim/Jew/Buddhist had the whole truth, they would would join my religion…but that doesn’t mean that some measure or portion of the Truth isn’t present in their own.”

This line of argument maintains the Truth of your individual faiths and the conviction that life would be better for those who aren’t part of your faiths to join your religion…yet acknowledging a person still has the action for moral capacity even if do come outside of your faith.

2.) The other end of the Spectrum in every religion thinks the previous viewpoint is a Cop-Out. You are somehow shirking your duty to the Deity by promoting such a viewpoint Ie:- you are a fence-sitter, you don’t love Jesus enough, you are a Corruptor of the Buddha’s dharma, you are a Kaafir…etc…etc…etc…

This Behavioural pattern demands proselytization of their respective religion, and views any attempt at even hinting that a person coming outside of a faith might be correct on a few matters is somehow undermining the whole project of (Insert Religion).

To them, regardless of what religion we are talking about, their co-religionist who don’t take a stronger stance are being wishy-washy and bear the risk of confusing people.

Group 1 Above tends to answer back that that Group 2’s stance has a habit of leading to…shall we say less than neighborly conduct when taken to an extreme…

Other than that historically Muslims have stated all Abrahamic religions worship the same God, everything else is nothing new to me. Of course they think we do not worship God right or know the correct nature of God. And it took a Angel appearing 500 years after Christianity to set things right. Then several more prophets appeared in protestant sects claiming to be the rightful restoration. Of course I believe my Church is correct otherwise I would be from another religion. I think if my Lord really did die and not rise, his followers would have disbanded and The way of Christ forgotten. Instead, his followers gave their lives to preach his word and The Church survived against all odds and is still around. That trumps any claims 500 years later than this man names Jesus did not really die on the cross and was only a prophet, not The Son Of God.

We have a God of mercy. He can save whoever he wants regardless of if some of his children think being born into a incorrect religion and never having the chance to accept Christ should exclude them.

 

[hasantas]

You asked why and we can only speculate as to reasons. But I think the motivation is chiefly twofold. It is to draw a sharp distinction between the teachings of Islam and Christianity. And it is to avoid the real and serious problem of indiferrentism in our culture.

Personally I don’t think it is a useful approach. I think it in part a result of living in a culture where we are afraid to speak clearly and honestly. And it creates a new problem. If you predicate worshiping the same God on believing the same revelations, in their specificity, or understanding God to be certain attributes then it might be that very few people or no one actually worship the same God. Anywhere two men, even two Christian men, in any way deviate on their mental understanding of some aspect of God then those two men would believe in a different God. So to speak clearly I prefer saying that Islams understanding of God is deficient or wrong.

Understanding of God! Christians were taught by Church and we know how mistakes and scandals Church had made. I do not intend to blame Church but Church is consist of men and humanbeing make mistakes very easily. So you should look at Bible preferably.

Christians suppose they understand God most truely and others are wrong! Your validity come from mystery and strained interpretation! A bit fair please.

Allah is Father(God) of Christians. If we consider that Son and Holy Spirit was not existend before Christianity and there is no after(in Qur’an) Christianity and there is no in Bible but it was established by strained interpretations and yet you claim others are wrong but you are very correct. Fair please.

Both Jews, Christians and Muslims believe in one God but our Sharias(religions) are different so it is normal to have different thoughts. Even in a religion(for instance in Islam) there should be very different thoughts about God or attributes of God. Advantages of Muslims is that they have the scripture directly from words of God which had never changed. And the knowledges from prophet which is known very well in details.

The conflict points:

-Muslims deny Trinity.

But Trinity is not based/sourced from scripture and it was established by Church later. So Christians have no right to blame Muslims for that. And Trinity conflict with eternal attributes of God yet it can be acceptable by strained interpretations or mysteries or tradition which is not valid to establis the faith. Faith should be directly from God through prophet.

Crucifixion.

Either Jesus was crucifixed or not but yet Jesus could be crucifixed through human nature.

Crucifixion was existend because someone was crucifixed which is a historical fact. Both Christians and Muslims believe in that Jesus was ascended. But was that before crucifixion or after it? Allah knows best.

Now who is possible to be wrong?

 

[hasantas]

I guess I’m confused. Isn’t Jesus the Way, the Truth and the Life? Maybe I’m misunderstanding what the CCC quotation meant…

Blessed New Year!

Rita

Jesus is the Way, the Truth and Life. But all these were from God through Jesus, isn’t it? And that does not mean Jesus is the only way and truth!

 

[Cavaradossi]

Advantages of Muslims is that they have the scripture directly from words of God which had never changed. And the knowledges from prophet which is known very well in details.

Muslims have the words of Uthman who burned every Qur’an which didn’t agree with his standard version. How can we know that Uthman’s recension of the Qur’an was correct? Even if we trust Uthman’s Qur’an recension, Arabic did not have either i3jam or 7akarat until centuries later. How can we trust that every single ayin and ghayn or every ha, kha, and jim has been distinguished correctly? Even today, there are regional variations in the 7akarat, where one version of the Qur’an might have fathah where another has kasrah, or kasrah where one has dammah.

 

[rossum]

Muslims don’t pray to the Holy Trinity.

Jews do not pray to the Holy Trinity either. Is the G-d of the Tanakh then not the same God as the God of the Bible?

rossum

 

[808Catholic]

But God first came to the Jews, yes? The Covenant, which still holds today, is with God as Creator, not with Jesus nor the Holy Spirit, tho there is recognition of God (YHVH) as Spirit (Ruach). If you were an Observant Jew, you would undoubtedly look at how Christians basically changed the nature and description of God - as Trinity - and scratch your head in wonder. ‘How did you get THAT?’ I’ve read some of the medieval discourses (many years ago) and much of the arguments were on this topic. Perhaps the God (El) of the Jews is closer to the God of the Muslims (Allah) from outward appearances than is the Trinitarian God. Just a thought.

God came first to Adam who was not a Jew. Or, if you want to broaden the thought, Adam WAS a Jew as much as Muslim, Christian, Buddhist, etc. God established the first covenant with Adam and Eve and established continuing covenants with Abraham, Moses, the wandering, exiled Hebrews in the desert, King David, and finally with ALL people. So, you may want to focus on the covenant that God established with the Jewish people and that would be your choice. Catholics (and many Christians denominations) understand God’s covenant to be with ALL people because Jesus came to save all not just a few. If we apply that choice of understanding to the Jewish and Islamic faith, we see how some of them can persecute people not of their religion for being infidels.

 

[808Catholic]

Jesus is the Way, the Truth and Life. But all these were from God through Jesus, isn’t it? And that does not mean Jesus is the only way and truth!

I personally believe we must be open to the notion that salvation can come to those who are not Christians and this has been espoused by many in the Catholic church including Pope Francis. But, the path to salvation must be the path that follows Christ even if the person does not know it. For example: a person who willing steals money from his neighbors/clients yet claims to follow Christ will probably find the road to heaven very difficult. Another who is Muslim yet follows all the teachings of Christ will probably find him/herself in heaven with God.

Where Christians and Muslims diverge in practise is our believe that Jesus is God not just His Prophet.

Happy New Year!

 

[808Catholic]

Much Truth in this post.

It must be said also that the God of the Baha’is is also very much closer to the God of Christianity.

A perspective to consider is that Islam is to the Middle East what Judaism is to Israel, and Christianity is the fulfilment of Judaism as the Baha’i Faith is the fulfilment of Islam.

They are all of course, dimensions of the one God, for there is little, if any difference between Islam and Judaism which both formulated the foundations of Christian and Baha’i theology

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While Christianity did indeed spring from Judaism, Islam came much later than both.

 

[808Catholic]

Understanding of God! Christians were taught by Church and we know how mistakes and scandals Church had made. I do not intend to blame Church but Church is consist of men and humanbeing make mistakes very easily. So you should look at Bible preferably.

The Church came before the Bible; if not for the early Church fathers there would be no Bible just as, if not for the recording of your prophet Mohammed there would be no Koran. Both “religions” were established by man though the source of worship is God.

Christians suppose they understand God most truely and others are wrong! Your validity come from mystery and strained interpretation! A bit fair please.

Allah is Father(God) of Christians. If we consider that Son and Holy Spirit was not existend before Christianity and there is no after(in Qur’an) Christianity and there is no in Bible but it was established by strained interpretations and yet you claim others are wrong but you are very correct. Fair please.

God pre-existed the creation of the Universe so, by Christian doctrine logic, Christ and the Holy Spirit pre-existed the Universe much like the Muslim claim that the Koran existed with Allah before the creation of the Universe. Both Christ and the Holy Spirit (paraclete, Advocate, Wisdom, etc) are mentioned in the Bible. I don’t understand your reference to Them missing from the Bible.

Both Jews, Christians and Muslims believe in one God but our Sharias(religions) are different so it is normal to have different thoughts. Even in a religion(for instance in Islam) there should be very different thoughts about God or attributes of God. Advantages of Muslims is that they have the scripture directly from words of God which had never changed. And the knowledges from prophet which is known very well in details.

That is the Muslim belief. The Catholic (and some Christian denominations) belief is that no one may know the Mind of God so continuous discernment (study and prayer) is needed so we may understand better (though not completely) God. Some Christians (mostly Fundamentalists) believe the entirety of God is contained in the Bible which is not logical. How does one confine the Infinite, the God of Creation, in one book???

The conflict points:

-Muslims deny Trinity.

But Trinity is not based/sourced from scripture and it was established by Church later. So Christians have no right to blame Muslims for that. And Trinity conflict with eternal attributes of God yet it can be acceptable by strained interpretations or mysteries or tradition which is not valid to establis the faith. Faith should be directly from God through prophet.

**The concept of the Holy Trinity is contained in the Bible and mentioned many time in both the Old and New Testament. Those who “wordsearch” for the Holy Trinity may not find the exact phrase just as Muslims will not find Mohammed in the Old Testament; that’s why discerning Christians must read the entire Bible and understand the entirety not just the verses.

Christians do not blame Muslims for not understanding and accepting the Holy Trinity just as we do not blame atheists for not understanding and accepting. If someone is told the truth and deny it, it does not negate the truth. The truth exists beyond anyone’s opinion or belief.

If Muslims believe faith comes from God through His prophets, then one must be careful in identifying God’s prophets. Even in Jesus’ time, the Bible speaks of false prophets carrying the wrong message and people believed them! Today, we have many Christians who don’t know/follow any prophet yet follow the word of God. To them, faith comes directly from God through the Bible.**

Crucifixion.

Either Jesus was crucifixed or not but yet Jesus could be crucifixed through human nature.

Crucifixion was existend because someone was crucifixed which is a historical fact. Both Christians and Muslims believe in that Jesus was ascended. But was that before crucifixion or after it? Allah knows best.

Christian belief is that Christ was crucified, died, and was buried. After 3 days, He was Resurrected. After 40 days, He ascended into heaven so we believe His ascension was after His death and resurrection.

Now who is possible to be wrong?

We could ALL be wrong about God/Allah but this is our belief and determines how we live our lives. God bless you!

 

[808Catholic]

True. Humans are flawed but it’s our reaction to our flaws that make us holy or not. We can choose to resist our flawed nature or just go with the flow. Happy New Year!

 

[KathleenGee]

Hasantas,

You say the Church made up this idea of the Holy Trinity later on. Many times i have the impression Muslims access is not the Sacred Scriptures we use.

The term, ‘Holy Trinity’ is simply a quick way of saying or praying, ‘Father, Son, and Holy Spirit’.

In the Quran, doesn’t it state Allah and his spirit…thus indirectly stating 2 persons??

Christ declared those who see Him see likewise the face of His heavenly Father. And Christ is Himself, in fulfilling Abraham’s Isaac response to sacrifice his son from God’s command, the atonement for sin.

Christ is the redeemer for the atonement of our sin in the world. Doing so, He alone can restore us to God the Father. Christ restores us to ourselves, and Christ restores us to right relationship with our neighbor.

Christ is the fulfillment of all prophets, there is no other that can do what He accomplished on the Cross and His resurrection.

Likewise in the Quran, I found it fascinating a former Muslim encountered Christ! His name is Mario Joseph, and here he is sharing his great grace encountering Our Lord in the Quran:

Mario Joseph Muslim Converted to Christian (Quran points to Christ)
www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ofapHQFySg

His is an amazing insight. And one cay say from the passages he pointed to, that yes, there are Muslims who believe these passages in the Bible, and follow the commandments.

 

[Servant19]

True. Humans are flawed but it’s our reaction to our flaws that make us holy or not. We can choose to resist our flawed nature or just go with the flow. Happy New Year!

You’re understanding of Christianity is that one shouldn’t resist ones flawed nature?

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[Servant19]

While Christianity did indeed spring from Judaism, Islam came much later than both.

Yes indeed. And while Buddhism did indeed spring from Hinduusm, Judaism and Christianity came much later than both.

It’s all part of Gods progressive revelation

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[808Catholic]

You’re understanding of Christianity is that one shouldn’t resist ones flawed nature?

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My apology if I led anyone to believe Christians shouldn’t resist our flawed nature. Yes, we should resist with all our hearts, minds, and body. Christian belief is that since Adam committed Original Sin, we have a sinful nature. Since Adam and Eve, there has only been one person who has led a sinless life: Mary the mother of Jesus. (Jesus as God Incarnate could not sin…)

 

[808Catholic]

Yes indeed. And while Buddhism did indeed spring from Hinduusm, Judaism and Christianity came much later than both.

It’s all part of Gods progressive revelation

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Catholics believe that God’s revelation is closed and that we can only seek to understand what He had previously revealed through His Son Christ Jesus.

 

[Reuben_J]

Hasantas,

You say the Church made up this idea of the Holy Trinity later on. Many times i have the impression Muslims access is not the Sacred Scriptures we use.

The term, ‘Holy Trinity’ is simply a quick way of saying or praying, ‘Father, Son, and Holy Spirit’.

In the Quran, doesn’t it state Allah and his spirit…thus indirectly stating 2 persons??

Christ declared those who see Him see likewise the face of His heavenly Father. And Christ is Himself, in fulfilling Abraham’s Isaac response to sacrifice his son from God’s command, the atonement for sin.

Christ is the redeemer for the atonement of our sin in the world. Doing so, He alone can restore us to God the Father. Christ restores us to ourselves, and Christ restores us to right relationship with our neighbor.

Christ is the fulfillment of all prophets, there is no other that can do what He accomplished on the Cross and His resurrection.

Likewise in the Quran, I found it fascinating a former Muslim encountered Christ! His name is Mario Joseph, and here he is sharing his great grace encountering Our Lord in the Quran:

Mario Joseph Muslim Converted to Christian (Quran points to Christ)
www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ofapHQFySg

His is an amazing insight. And one cay say from the passages he pointed to, that yes, there are Muslims who believe these passages in the Bible, and follow the commandments.

Thanks for the short video clip. It is interesting. A Muslim who was struck by the verses from the Koran that Jesus is bigger than Muhammad. That he is the Word of God, the Spirit of God and Jesus Christ, who is able to give life (bird from clay, and raising the dead to life) and was born of a virgin, all of these attributes which Muhammad was not. Besides, the latter died and did not come back unlike Jesus who did not die and would come back.

Finally Islam teaches that the universe is made by the Word of God. This man had to grapple with the fact whether the Word of God is the Creator or the creation, and eventually decided that He was the Creator, an attribute of Jesus.

This is interesting because Muslims do not see the Koran this way, and always regard Jesus as a mere prophet, who sometimes may be lesser than Muhammad in importance.