Alleluia?

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Sorry but this will seem very basic and just wondered what you guys actually do?

Some years ago we were, as a church, told off by a neighbouring parish priest - ‘wanna-be’ Roman Catholic Priest but isn’t actually.

We were severely told of for having a hymn that had Alleluia in it throughout Lent. This naturally gets joked about every year at choir practice as a naughty word. The new vicar’s wife was err, stunned and couldn’t work out what naughty word that was, so i mimed alleluia. I wonder what gets taken back to the vicar on that:)

But just wondered do you have a ‘bann’ on alleluia throughout Lent? We didn’t even know it was in the hymn as such but we do now and double check though this priest is sooo refreshingly human, different that if it did get taken back home, or he finds out some other way… ( We aren’t Roman Catholic. 😉 ) but we certainly had our hands as such well and truelly slapped on that one occaision
 
No, it isn’t technically banned, but it goes against (dare I say this nasty word?) the “spirit” of the season. There is actually a real part of the mass called the alleluia verse, which is said at all masses except the masses of Lent, where it’s omitted. If the official Order of Mass omits it, then it would probably be in bad taste at best to sing some hymn in which the word is present.
 
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Yes before and after the Gospel we usually sing the Celtic Alleluia and that is changed at Lent.

'twas done in all innocence that one year… but we’ve never forgot though don’t know if same applies to anglicans but well, we do carefully check the hymns these days:blush:😛
 
rhiannonh said:
Hi
Sorry but this will seem very basic and just wondered what you guys actually do?

Some years ago we were, as a church, told off by a neighbouring parish priest - ‘wanna-be’ Roman Catholic Priest but isn’t actually.

We were severely told of for having a hymn that had Alleluia in it throughout Lent. This naturally gets joked about every year at choir practice as a naughty word. The new vicar’s wife was err, stunned and couldn’t work out what naughty word that was, so i mimed alleluia. I wonder what gets taken back to the vicar on that:)

But just wondered do you have a ‘bann’ on alleluia throughout Lent? We didn’t even know it was in the hymn as such but we do now and double check though this priest is sooo refreshingly human, different that if it did get taken back home, or he finds out some other way… ( We aren’t Roman Catholic. 😉 ) but we certainly had our hands as such well and truelly slapped on that one occaision
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At our school/Church, we “bury the A------a” on Shrove Tuesday, though I think it is commonly done the Sunday before. With the school kids, Father has a little procession with singing and a short ceremony to “bury” it. It is at that time that he also burns the old palms to be used for Ash Wednesday. The A------a is “resurrected” at the Easter Vigil.

The kids are very serious about not even saying it, that is why I didn’t type it out. Last year, I went to the little ceremony with the kids. This year, I missed it. I just called down to my son to ask him if they again “buried the A-----a” on Tuesday. I actually said the word and he quickly corrected me by telling me that I wasn’t supposed to anymore until Easter. He is very earnest about it at age 9.

I know it shouldn’t be used anymore until Easter, but to be told off and have your hands truly slapped because it was used in error seems a bit much to me. But, at least now you know.🙂
 
True. Many of us, during Lent we discuss and practice Holy Week ceremonies, simply refer to it as “the A-word” in speaking, and “A------a” in writing. This makes for even greater unrestrained joy when we utter it repeatedly during Eastertide.
 
Alleluia isn’t supposed to be said or sung during Mass during Lent. I believe that includes the hymns as well.
 
Allegra said:
Alleluia isn’t supposed to be said or sung during Mass during Lent. I believe that includes the hymns as well.
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Yes, that’s the longstanding and deeply held tradition, but can you find any documentation for that, other than the omission of the alleluia chant before the gospel? It’s certainly in the spirit of the law, but can you find it in the letter? I can’t…
 
If it interests you, on the other hand, Eastern Catholics double up the number of times they say the ‘A word’ during Lent, also in the spirit of sober joy. It’s one of those East-West liturgical curiosities. 😃
 
superamazingman said:
Yes, that’s the longstanding and deeply held tradition, but can you find any documentation for that, other than the omission of the alleluia chant before the gospel? It’s certainly in the spirit of the law, but can you find it in the letter? I can’t…
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From Congregation for Divine Worship, Feb. 1988: Circular Letter Concerning the Preparation and Celebration of the Easter Feasts
  1. Likewise from the beginning of Lent until the paschal Vigil, “Alleluia” is to be omitted in all celebrations, even on solemnities and feasts. (21)
    19. The chants to be sung in celebrations especially of the Eucharist, and also at devotional exercises should be in harmony with the spirit of the season and the liturgical texts.
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One would think that if they were only referring to the Gospel Acclamation they would have called it that.
 
Phemie said:
From Congregation for Divine Worship, Feb. 1988: Circular Letter Concerning the Preparation and Celebration of the Easter Feasts

One would think that if they were only referring to the Gospel Acclamation they would have called it that.
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Yes, it does use the word “Alleluia” as to what is omitted, not just the Acclamation. Ergo, it is the* word* that is ban throughout liturgies.

I will often have hymns with the word “Alleluia” on the Sunday before Ash Wednesday as we bury the Alleluia.
 
Phemie said:
From Congregation for Divine Worship, Feb. 1988: Circular Letter Concerning the Preparation and Celebration of the Easter Feasts

One would think that if they were only referring to the Gospel Acclamation they would have called it that.
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Thank you. I was looking for that.
 
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