Allergic to tradition

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OP asked why people try to ban traditional practices. OP asked why people freak out when you say, “Maybe we should give this a try.”

Some people are responding like he suggested banning less ancient forms of worship, when all he suggested were more options.

We see part of the problem here
 
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Do you really think so?
I’ve found it to be more an issue with some of the younger ones.
 
Speaking in very broad terms that obviously don’t apply to everyone, yes, as a generation the boomers were one of the most destructive to America as a whole.

As teenagers they created huge societal upheaval with cultural and sexual revolutions, voted in huge welfare spending, etc. and then as adults voted in huge tax cuts for themselves, more spendig for retirement benefits and got us tangled in gulf war 1, Iraq, and Afghanistan, all the while borrowing billions and spending trillions.

Then they raised the generation they love to complain about in broken homes because marriage was too much of a commitment for them to take seriously.

ETA: Not to mention the damage done to the church in “the spirit of Vatican II” despite the documents not calling for many of the changes they implemented.
 
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So much of it is personal preference, and small t tradition. It’s not imperative to our faith. Many of the people who espouse such things really believe they are holier…oh yeah, they might not outright say it, but you know that’s how they feel. It comes across loud and clear in their posts.

I couldn’t give a fig if people veil. I don’t think its anything but a money making venture for the companies who sell this “notion of piety” to people.

I’m not opposed, I just think there are bigger things to worry about. Like the state of one’s own soul, but hey, that just my 2 cents.
I do a lot of devotions. I don’t crow about them nor do I chastise anyone who doesn’t. In fact. most people have no idea what ones I participate in. I prefer not to talk about these things with strangers on the internet.

Don’t even get me started on the liturgical musicians hatred.

I think more people who come forward and join choirs and help out in music if they were not vilified daily.
Find a parish where people are at peace with the liturgy and you’ll find loads of folks receiving worthily and a good priest.

There is a gang up on people mentality around here. It’s just regrettable. Lots of seekers come here. I don’t think we present a very good impression of Catholicism when we worry about what people wear, whether they kneel, whether they veil or whether the music to our tastes. Those are all externals.

Little of it has to do with Christ.
Oh well. I love my parish. That’s my world.
 
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Tradition carries a moral punch on the secular world we live in. And no one in that delluded world likes being told the Truth because one is being too judgemental. Its like having the leity distribute The Body of our Lord while the Priest just sits.
 
Query: Which creed are we supposed to know in Latin? The Apostles’ Creed or the Nicene Creed? I am too lazy to look it up! :sleeping_bed:
 
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The Apostles’ Creed or the Nicene Creed? I am too lazy to look it up! :sleeping_bed:
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Well, both.

But if you had to choose just one, the Apostles Creed is easier (and more ancient as well).

I personally can read, understand and pray both Creeds in Latin, but I don’t have them memorized - I barely have them memorized in my mother tongue 😝
 
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I’m talking the sort of person, who if he walks into Church and begins to hear an organ playing will do an about-face back out the door because he cannot tolerate the organ.
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Its funny you say this because growing up I always despised the organ that was constantly played in our church. Then they got rid of it and replaced it with pre recorded tracks…

Now I get so excited walking into a church and the organ is playing. Especially when your right below it and can feel the bass (I think thats what you would call it?)
 
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Then they got rid of it and replaced it with pre recorded tracks…
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Lucille Ball voice Ewww 😰😰😷😷

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(I love her head coverings. Whenever I watch her show with my wife, I tell her she should dress like Lucy)
 
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Many of the people who espouse such things really believe they are holier…oh yeah, they might not outright say it, but you know that’s how they feel. It comes across loud and clear in their posts.
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That’s not a very nice thing to say. That’s like telling someone they think they’re better just because they informed the person they don’t want to listen to gossip or watch scandalous movies or have them say bad language around their kids…while it’s not a sin to be on the untraditional side obviously, it doesn’t help to be judgemental against those who prefer those things.
 
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Sometimes people DO act holier than others, sometimes because they ARE holier than some people…

If someone comes into Church wearing a t shirt that says “Ave Satana” and sits next to a person wearing a suit and tie, which one of them is displaying holiness to a larger degree?

Internal holiness can oftentimes manifest itself in outward externals, just as internal irreverence can manifest in external impiety.
 
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That’s true. I guess it’s just apart of our nature to judge someone based on little known facts.

If that happened, I would probably try to not jump to conclusions. Perhaps that person wearing the tshirt didnt have clean clothes to wear today, didnt have time to do laundry. Or maybe they weren’t taught to dress a little nicer for church. As for the other fellow, I wouldn’t even notice him because it’s not an unusual thing to see at church for me.
 
Any generation can point its finger at any previous one.
The boomers were born after a horrific world war that caused the brutal murder of millions, including 6 million innocent Jews. This war had a huge impact on society.
What kind of legacy was that for the boomers?
And the previous generation, a horrific world war one.
Who will the next younger generation accuse? Of course their previous generation?
I don’t actually know any of the older generations who are hankering for the old traditions, in any of the parishes I’ve lived in, only young ones.
However, there are always variations.
 
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That’s correct. It’s not very nice, some people just love correcting others and call it “charity”.
I didn’t say anything judgmental. I say they tend to judge others. You just made my point.
I’ll leave the thread. I knew people would lash out, and so here we are.
Bye.
 
Traditionalists subscribe to freedom for a purpose. Liberals subscribe to freedom from a purpose. Hence, there is conflict anytime rules or structure are perceived or applied.
 
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some people just love correcting others and call it “charity”.
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Because sometimes it is charity. A lot of saints did it too. It’s not always a bad thing.

You made a judgement about posters here who prefer traditional things. I was trying to correct you, not trying to attack. Sorry if it came off the wrong way. God bless.
 
Doesn’t the Church say something about instructing the ignorant and admonishing the sinner somewhere? 😉😉
 
Why do some people have such a strong connection with Vatican II? One would think it would be much easier overturning some decades worth of tradition compared to hundreds or even thousands of years’ worth.
 
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