Allergic to tradition

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misstherese said:
That’s not a very nice thing to say. That’s like telling someone they think they’re better just because they informed the person they don’t want to listen to gossip or watch scandalous movies or have them say bad language around their kids…while it’s not a sin to be on the untraditional side obviously, it doesn’t help to be judgemental against those who prefer those things.
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The thing is, we actually have people coming out sometimes and saying, “I think it’s so much holier and more reverent to do X. I was so upset at the lack of reverence in my last church until I found this one where they have all organ hymns and most of the women wear head coverings” etc.

It’s way different from simply saying you don’t want to participate in sinful behavior. It’s saying or implying that you are “better than” the Catholics who choose to attend a church with contemporary music (which is not sinful and not against official Church rules) and where the women are wearing pants outfits and no veils (which is also not sinful and not against official Church rules). And there are definitely some people who appear to have that attitude.
 
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There’s a difference between a person thinking they’re holier and a person just trying to get all the help they can. They may think doing those things are more reverent, but they do them only because they think it is helping them on the inside.

It’s kind of like wearing the brown scapular or saying the rosary. You don’t have to do it, but it’s helping you more by doing it. At least that’s how I view it.

But then again, there probably are those who do think the other way, that those who wear pants or don’t veil of like contemporary church music are less holy. I would hope they don’t think that way because that’s not a very charitable thing to think. It takes pride from a seedling and turns it into a crop to harvest.
 
misstherese said:
That’s true. I guess it’s just apart of our nature to judge someone based on little known facts.

If that happened, I would probably try to not jump to conclusions. Perhaps that person wearing the tshirt didnt have clean clothes to wear today, didnt have time to do laundry. Or maybe they weren’t taught to dress a little nicer for church. As for the other fellow, I wouldn’t even notice him because it’s not an unusual thing to see at church for me.
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One of the reasons this thread was started is because the OP made several very judgmental statements. The most ridiculous of these was talking about the midnight fast vs eating “eggs and bacon” 30 minutes before Mass. The reduced fast has helped, not hurt, people. It was not uncommon for people of yesteryear to faint at Mass, especially women. This doesn’t mean that one pigs out at the last moment. Eating a couple hours before Mass doesn’t make one some kind of unholy weakling. Not eating doesn’t make one holier.

People do get riled when they feel judged. As someone who went to a TLM and was not allowed in because I was a woman in (dress) pants…I can say that it can really be painful to be judged like that.
 
That’s one of the shortcomings of English- We need a visual way to denote sarcasam.
 
You see, I think people are afraid ( I agree with you by the way). I believe that ( for example the veil) certain things should be practiced if the person feels genuinely drawn to them. However, looking down on anyone who practices them, or judging them in any way, is wrong. Vatican II has been abused beyond belief, and this is part of the abuse. It is not okay to take away traditions, but they should also not be forced you know? The small ones, I’m not talking about major things. There are things that simply shouldn’t be messed with. Either way, I also think both sides are ready to tackle anyone who makes the smallest incorrect statement 😂 so please forgive me if ImI said something that offends anyone. If I am wrong ( and I think I am more willing to side with tradition than not, but you know? ) please let me know. If I need to be corrected, I’ll take it :).
 
Hello.

Perhaps it’s lack of knowledge of the faith. Maybe it’s due to pride. Maybe it’s due to laziness. Maybe it’s from misinformed Church teaching - maybe there are priests and religious who don’t know the why’s behind these things, or worse, do know but want to push their own agenda. Not sure why people do some of the things they do.

By the way, what’s the Anaphora?

I do know we’re allowed to keep learning about our faith and to provide fraternal correction.

What do you think is a solution to these troubles?
 
Some people are allergic to change too. Change for change’s sake is not a good reason I agree. But tradition can attract cobwebs from lack of interest. There at least needs to be attempts at renewal. At looking at the same truths with fresh insights.
 
Xanthippe_Voorhees said:
As someone who went to a TLM and was not allowed in because I was a woman in (dress) pants…
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As someone who used to be one of those people who thought it was sinful for a woman to wear pants to Mass, I apologize. That should never have happened and I’m sorry I ever participated in perpetuating that kind of holier-than-thou thinking.
 
It’s a funny thing. People who were leaders in the Charismatic movement here have become very conservative about what goes on at mass.
 
Welp, if trads want to be prejudiced against things approved by the Vatican, that’s their hangup, and they’ll have to answer for their pride to God.
Not my circus, not my monkeys, and not my problem.
I’m open to everything the Church permits.
I like to try different things.
I may be at TLM in the skirt below the knee and a veil one day, and at a Charismatic service the next.
It keeps life interesting and worship fresh.
Why limit yourself?
 
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Xanthippe_Voorhees said:
People do get riled when they feel judged. As someone who went to a TLM and was not allowed in because I was a woman in (dress) pants
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If it was a Latin mass said by a priest not fully in tune with the Catholic Church, the SSPX or whomever certainly has a right to set whatever dress code they like.

But I would have complained on this for a regular diocesan mass or at least asked for an explanation. I’ve never heard of different dress codes for masses in different languages
 
Right. And if contemporary or "regular’ Catholics want to be prejudiced against things approved by the Vatican just because those things are labeled as traditional, that’s their hangup and they’ll have to answer for their pride to God.
I’m open to everything the Church permits. I’ve gone to charismatic services, healing Masses, the O.F. and the E.F.
For me personally my worship is most ‘fresh’ when it is most contemplative and most, well, ancient. I don’t think it’s limiting, I think it’s recognizing something quite deep. Would I have recognized it without the broader knowledge? I don’t know. Different people come to different awarenesses at different times, I suppose.
 
I think most people want their church and their faith to be relevant to the life they are living today, in the moment. A lot of the traditions you listed detract from that. Truthfully, I think that is all it is. They see it as old-fashioned, which it is. There is nothing wrong with that. I think there should be enough room for everybody. It is not a matter of right or wrong. Traditionalist should be able to do things their way, and more modern, progressive Catholics should be able to do it theirs. They do not need to be mutually exclusive of each other.
 
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