Allowing homosexual marriage as a means of "freedom" even if one does not agree with it

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Satan is on a rampage against Western Civilization … and he will destroy all the children any way he can … by aborting them or by corrupting them with sodomite “parents”.
You may be correct, but that doesn’t change the fact that you sound like a bigot when you use words like sodomite. There is a thin line between describing something and name calling; but of course you have a moral and biblical excuse to call people names.
 
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You may be correct, but that doesn’t change the fact that you sound like a bigot when you use words like sodomite. There is a thin line between describing something and name calling; but of course you have a moral and biblical excuse to call people names. **

So would I be a bigot if I called a murderer a murderer, instead of gay?

Would I be a bigot if I called a liar a liar, instead of gay?

Would I be a bigot if I called a thief a thief, instead of gay?

But I’m a bigot because I call a sodomite a sodomite, instead of gay?

The word “gay” as in sodomite is not in my dictionary. The word “gay” is.

So I use it properly when I say “Have yourself a gay day!”

Apparently you are going to call Christians bigots when they tell the truth instead of camouflaging it with silly words, as if the way you would use it is not downright sad.

By the way, I see you have chosen not to identify your philosophy or religion, as almost all of us do. It would help to know if you are a Christian or an atheist, or something other.
 
Apparently you are going to call Christians bigots when they tell the truth instead of camouflaging it with silly words, as if the way you would use it is not downright sad.
I respect smart Christians who act with comparison when expressing the truth instead of using the truth as an excuse to call people names. I haven’t seen anyone on this forum use the word sodomite accept you.
By the way, I see you have chosen not to identify your philosophy or religion, as almost all of us do. It would help to know if you are a Christian or an atheist, or something other.
What difference does it make what I believe. Would you respond differently if I said I was a Catholic? I hope not because that would reveal a big moral flaw in your character.
 
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**I respect smart Christians who act with comparison when expressing the truth instead of using the truth as an excuse to call people names. I haven’t seen anyone on this forum use the word sodomite accept you. **

So you’re saying St. Paul was not a smart Christian and he was a bigot?

**What difference does it make what I believe. Would you respond differently if I said I was a Catholic? I hope not because that would reveal a big moral flaw in your character. **

It would help to know if you are a Catholic or an anti-Catholic bigot, which it seems to me you probably are. If you are a Catholic, I would want to know what you think of what St. Paul says in my signature quote below. Is he also dumb and a bigot? :confused:
 
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I would want to know what you think of what St. Paul says in my signature quote below. Is he also dumb and a bigot? :confused:
I bet you think everybody who disagrees with the church is a bigot.:rolleyes:

We live in different times where words have different connotations. Perhaps it was appropriate then, but it is clearly not appropriate now, not if you want to have a fruitful discussion with the gay community which I hope is your goal. I doubt it. I think your more interested in showing how “morally superior” you are rather than lovingly expressing the gospel.

Your pride will only result in a bitter resentment of Catholicism, not because you are against gay sex, but rather because you speak like you hate gay people, and that’s how they are going to perceive you when you use words like sodomite. Its just not necessary.
 
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I bet you think everybody who disagrees with the church is a bigot.

Not everybody, but certainly you might be given the tone of your remarks…

I think your more interested in showing how “morally superior” you are rather than lovingly expressing the gospel.

St. Paul lovingly expressed the gospel to those who were in danger of losing their souls. I don’t think he thought he was “morally superior” as you put it.

**Your pride will only result in a bitter resentment of Catholicism, not because you are against gay sex, but rather because you speak like you hate gay people, and that’s how they are going to perceive you when you use words like sodomite. Its just not necessary. **

My pride? I don’t think you have to worry about my pride. Sodomites generally hate the Catholic Church on principle and don’t need my pride as an excuse to hate it. What they would dearly love to see happen is for the Church to remove sodomy as a sin against man, Nature, and God. Then they might hate the Church a little less. My pride is the least of their worries. 😉
 
Not everybody, but certainly you might be given the tone of your remarks…
My tone? I am not the one calling people sodomites
St. Paul lovingly expressed the gospel to those who were in danger of losing their souls. I don’t think he thought he was “morally superior” as you put it.
And like I said, words can take on negative connotations that go beyond the original intention of those words depending on the context in which they are used.
My pride? I don’t think you have to worry about my pride.
I am worried about it, because you are helping to push the image that the Church hates Gay people and is prejudice.
Sodomites generally hate the Catholic Church on principle and don’t need my pride as an excuse to hate it. What they would dearly love to see happen is for the Church to remove sodomy as a sin against man, Nature, and God. Then they might hate the Church a little less. My pride is the least of their worries. 😉
From my own experiences it is only pro-gay Catholics that want the church to change its “moral stance”. The Gay community in general just wants the Church to stay out of their social an political affairs. America is beginning to agree with them. Calling the gay community sodomites is not going to help people understand the churches Moral position on the matter.
 
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I am worried about it, because you are helping to push the image that the Church hates Gay people and is prejudice.**

I am not helping the Church to push the image that the Church hates sodomites. I am pushing (if anything) the fact that sodomy is a sin and those who commit it ought to acknowledge they are sinners. This is a loving concern of the Church for those who may throw their souls away in sin. The sodomite needs to acknowledge who he is. He doesn’t acknowledge that when he uses a silly and phoney word like “gay” to describe his sin. The first step to salvation is for all of us to acknowledge that we are sinners. Changing the language does not change the sin. We all know what sodomy means. Why does the word have to be changed … to make sodomites feel better … less sinful … less judged?

We are all going to be judged in the end for our sins. God is not going to ask the sodomite if he was gay? St. Paul doesn’t call sodomites gay. St. Paul was not afraid of the truth. He did not candy-coat it by using a silly word like gay.

What in God’s name is the problem with facing the truth and using the language that is truthful? Is truth hateful? Is being truthful also being hateful? Well, anyone who says it is is just denying the truth and has no intention of dealing with it. These people need to grow up and accept Christ, not Satan.

**Calling the gay community sodomites is not going to help people understand the churches Moral position on the matter. **

Calling them “gay” is even less likely to help people understand the Church’s moral position. It is only going to help people believe they are really gay rather than really sad.
 
Just posting here to see what you guys think of this reasoning I am trying below to defeat same sex marriage being law.

Discrimination is the unjust or prejudicial treatment of different categories of people or things.

Now given the sexual nature of a homosexual union compared to a hetrosexual one, to try and argue for equality when it comes to marriage, would be an unjust or prejudicial treatment of different categories of people or things, unjust and prejudicial treatment being to equate two things that are obviously unequal.

Therefore, homosexual unions being recognised as marriage is a discrimination against hetrosexual marriage.

So by this logic, to legalise homosexual marriage, would be to legalise and enforce discrimination, now Im sure there are laws against that arn’t there?

So to legalise discrimination should be logically unlawful.

Anyway would really like people to tweak this kind of reasoning or let me know of their idea’s, as using this kind of reasoning could help us oppose same sex marriage with regards to civil law, I don’t think we should deny homosexuals the union by law, but we should definatly be denying them ‘marriage’ with regards to the law.

Thank you for reading
Josh
 
I hope I am not being redundant with this question, and if it has already been answered please just direct me to it and you can delete this thread.

I have a friend that is a strong Catholic but he supports homosexual marriage because he thinks it shouldn’t be decided either way by the government. He thinks the government should be “hands off” on this issue and leave it to Churches to accept or deny a person’s marriage request. He sees this as an extension of our country’s freedom of religion.

I have already ordered one of the free booklets that Catholic Answers has about why homosexual unions are not marriages, but in the meantime, how can I discuss this with him and talk to him about why he should still be against homosexual marriage even though he believes that the government shouldn’t interfere in these issues period?
Is there actually any reason homosexual marriages are not recognised by religious institutions as ‘real’ marriages, other than the inability to conceive offspring without ‘artificial’ intervention?
 
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I am worried about it, because you are helping to push the image that the Church hates Gay people and is prejudice.**

I am not helping the Church to push the image that the Church hates sodomites. I am pushing (if anything) the fact that sodomy is a sin and those who commit it ought to acknowledge they are sinners. This is a loving concern of the Church for those who may throw their souls away in sin. The sodomite needs to acknowledge who he is. He doesn’t acknowledge that when he uses a silly and phoney word like “gay” to describe his sin. The first step to salvation is for all of us to acknowledge that we are sinners. Changing the language does not change the sin. We all know what sodomy means. Why does the word have to be changed … to make sodomites feel better … less sinful … less judged?

We are all going to be judged in the end for our sins. God is not going to ask the sodomite if he was gay? St. Paul doesn’t call sodomites gay. St. Paul was not afraid of the truth. He did not candy-coat it by using a silly word like gay.

What in God’s name is the problem with facing the truth and using the language that is truthful? Is truth hateful? Is being truthful also being hateful? Well, anyone who says it is is just denying the truth and has no intention of dealing with it. These people need to grow up and accept Christ, not Satan.

**Calling the gay community sodomites is not going to help people understand the churches Moral position on the matter. **

Calling them “gay” is even less likely to help people understand the Church’s moral position. It is only going to help people believe they are really gay rather than really sad.
Hmm…anyone would think sodomy was a worse crime than heterosexual rape, the way you speak about it. And, yes, the way you ‘speak the truth’ is hateful - because you speak it in a way that not only implies, but actively states that you find particular actions hateful, even though they may be perfectly consensual and, in themselves, harmless to the consenting participants. And, frankly, using St Paul as an example of honesty and inclusivity is entirely counterproductive - indeed, it might be said that he protested too much.

Looking back at the history of heterosexual marriage, it has been used and abused as a means to justify coldly capitalistic property exchanges and also - as I hinted above - rape. It was, until very, very recently, considered impossible for a husband to rape his wife, because she was considered to have given perpetual consent to sex via the marriage vow.

Don’t pretend that marriage is some kind of hallowed ideal that is being ‘violated’ by the inclusion of homosexual couples. It’s a social institution that has undergone manifold changes throughout its history, and recognising gay and lesbian unions as marriages is just one more change. The core concept of marriage - that of lifelong commitment, of sharing life’s ongoing struggles and achievements - doesn’t change. Opposition to gay marriage is, at root, nothing more than an irrational (and mutable) gut reaction to something that certain sections of society have been schooled from infancy to believe is ‘disordered’, even though it has stood the test of time, and even though it is a source of great joy and fulfilment to many who instinctively practise it - and would be more so, if there weren’t people like you who tried to paint homosexual couples as biologically dysfunctional and morally degenerate.
 
Just posting here to see what you guys think of this reasoning I am trying below to defeat same sex marriage being law.

Discrimination is the unjust or prejudicial treatment of different categories of people or things.

Now given the sexual nature of a homosexual union compared to a hetrosexual one, to try and argue for equality when it comes to marriage, would be an unjust or prejudicial treatment of different categories of people or things, unjust and prejudicial treatment being to equate two things that are obviously unequal.

Therefore, homosexual unions being recognised as marriage is a discrimination against hetrosexual marriage.

So by this logic, to legalise homosexual marriage, would be to legalise and enforce discrimination, now Im sure there are laws against that arn’t there?

So to legalise discrimination should be logically unlawful.

Anyway would really like people to tweak this kind of reasoning or let me know of their idea’s, as using this kind of reasoning could help us oppose same sex marriage with regards to civil law, I don’t think we should deny homosexuals the union by law, but we should definatly be denying them ‘marriage’ with regards to the law.

Thank you for reading
Josh
Since the only real difference is that homosexual couples are unable to conceive children by straightforward sexual union, I’d say you’re trying to force the issue.

Many heterosexual couples are unable to conceive children without ‘artificial’ intervention, and their unions are recognised as marriages. What’s the difference between an infertile heterosexual couple and a homosexual couple, really? Intention? Then what about the growing number of heterosexual couples who adamantly refuse to procreate?

I mean, let’s be honest - the human race is in no danger of extinction, except through actively destroying itself along with the rest of the planet, so having a reasonable proportion of non-breeding couples is hardly a disaster. Maybe we should change the laws on marriage to only recognise those couples who have conceived a child through nothing but their own ‘natural’ sexual union - would that satisfy you?
 
Since the only real difference is that homosexual couples are unable to conceive children by straightforward sexual union, I’d say you’re trying to force the issue.
What? did you read what I said, the ability to concieve children is not the difference, not by a mile, the sexual miss use of the body is the difference, the fact that the very nature of homosexuality means to use the body in a manner it was not designed to be used for.

This is why a homosexual union and a hetrosexual union are vastly different, one is the miss use of our bodies and the other is the designed use of our bodies.

and before you object to this as many others do, I’ll have to go into detail which I don’t like doing, but for instance anal intercourse is in no way a designed use of our bodies is it?

That’s why we say that homosexuality is disordered and immoral to act on, if you disagree with that, than fine, but don’t say that a homosexual union is equal to a hetrosexual union when it comes to the sexual nature and marriage, because they arn’t and to say that they are is illogical.

Thank you for reading
Josh
 
What? did you read what I said, the ability to concieve children is not the difference, not by a mile, the sexual miss use of the body is the difference, the fact that the very nature of homosexuality means to use the body in a manner it was not designed to be used for.

This is why a homosexual union and a hetrosexual union are vastly different, one is the miss use of our bodies and the other is the designed use of our bodies.

and before you object to this as many others do, I’ll have to go into detail which I don’t like doing, but for instance anal intercourse is in no way a designed use of our bodies is it?

That’s why we say that homosexuality is disordered and immoral to act on, if you disagree with that, than fine, but don’t say that a homosexual union is equal to a hetrosexual union when it comes to the sexual nature and marriage, because they arn’t and to say that they are is illogical.

Thank you for reading
Josh
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