Allowing Wrongs to do Rights

[KathleenElsie]

The Catholic Charity organizations are being told to place children with active homosexual couples in the USA and UK. This has been in the news lately.

Now the question is should the Catholic Charities and thus the Catholic Church stop placing children in order to be faithful to our teaching.

Some say that C Charities should continue to place children and try to get the law changed.

Some say C Charities should place children and break the civil law.

Some say that C Charities should stop providing any services that go contrary to the teaching of the Catholic Church.

So what do you think?

 

[KathleenElsie]

My personal choice is that Catholics should stop providing the services that are against the Moral Teaching of our Holy Catholic Church. I believe that when the Church turns away from these sins and refuses to become a part of the secular world that there will be a rebirth of the Holy Catholic Church. We need to practice what we preach and many will turn toward us and see that the Catholic people are true to their faith.

I believe that God will soften the hears of those in secular positions when they see that we are being true to the teachings of God.

 

[Mirdath]

Charity is charity, and there’s little enough of it in the world already. Adopting children to homosexual couples does not violate the Church’s teaching that homosexual acts are immoral (and what if the couple is chaste? It does happen), it’s an act of human decency. Same way the Church already adopts to heterosexual couples not practicing the faith – they are, after all, in a state of sin and separation from the Church, and will raise the child in that same state. I do not see where the difference is.

 

[Friar_David_O.Carm]

Charity is charity, and there’s little enough of it in the world already. Adopting children to homosexual couples does not violate the Church’s teaching that homosexual acts are immoral (and what if the couple is chaste? It does happen), it’s an act of human decency. Same way the Church already adopts to heterosexual couples not practicing the faith – they are, after all, in a state of sin and separation from the Church, and will raise the child in that same state. I do not see where the difference is.

No, the Church does not frown upon giveing homosexual couples children because the homosexual act is immoral, it has to do with the fact that these people are unrepentant in their actions and thereby will be awful role models for their children. It is the job of the parent to raise their children, to teach them morality. How can you expect an unrepentant homosexual couple to raise their children morally when they practice immorality?

As for the questoin, can we allow, or do a wrong, to do right, the answer is no.

Here is what the Catechism says.

1761 There are concrete acts that it is always wrong to choose, because their choice entails a disorder of the will, i.e., a moral evil. One may not do evil so that good may result from it.

 

[Corki]

First of all, the “Church” does not place children for adoption. Catholic Charities does, and it has been instructed by the Vatican to cease placing children in homes headed by homosexual couples. It is a matter of obedience by the Catholic Charity to the Church.

Catholic Charities **must **obey the Church in this matter regardless of what people think about the wisdom or charitableness of this. Personally, I think it is very UNcharitable to place a child with homosexual “parents” especially since many of these children were placed in the care of Catholic Charities for the reason that, as a Catholic Charity, the faith formation of the child would be a consideration.

Catholic Charities should continue to place children in stable homes (preferably Catholic) headed by a husband and wife. Even in those states where this has been a problem, this can continue as long as state funds are not used. Alternately, Catholic Charities can shift its focus to being a referral service for private adoptions rather than placing the children themselves. This might not be as efficient but would insure the continued faithfulness and integrity or the organization.

Just my 2 cents.

 

[Mirdath]

No, the Church does not frown upon giveing homosexual couples children because the homosexual act is immoral, it has to do with the fact that these people are unrepentant in their actions and thereby will be awful role models for their children. It is the job of the parent to raise their children, to teach them morality. How can you expect an unrepentant homosexual couple to raise their children morally when they practice immorality?

But Protestant or non-Christian families are also unrepentantly ‘immoral’ in their commission of heresy, apostasy, or schism, are they not?

I expect any given homosexual couple would be at least as capable of raising a child with a firm moral compass as any other family. It may not be 100% in line with what you or the Church thinks is divinely-mandated morality, but then, the moral teachings instilled by a non-orthodox-Catholic couple wouldn’t be all there either – potentially even less so than those given by many homosexual couples.

These charities are (were) there to place abandoned children in loving, nurturing homes, not to ride herd over the masses. If a non-Catholic couple of any sort have proven they are both capable of and intending to raise a child in such an environment, the Church has no further jurisdiction over them once they’re through the screening.

As for the questoin, can we allow, or do a wrong, to do right, the answer is no.

But is it truly wrong? As I said above, I do not see how it contradicts the teachings of the Church. Further, adopting isn’t even a validation of gay marriage at all, any more than placing children with a non-Catholic heterosexual couple implies a recognition that their marriage is a valid sacrament.

 

[Friar_David_O.Carm]

But Protestant or non-Christian families are also unrepentantly ‘immoral’ in their commission of heresy, apostasy, or schism, are they not?

I expect any given homosexual couple would be at least as capable of raising a child with a firm moral compass as any other family. It may not be 100% in line with what you or the Church thinks is divinely-mandated morality, but then, the moral teachings instilled by a non-orthodox-Catholic couple wouldn’t be all there either – potentially even less so than those given by many homosexual couples.

Rationalize all you need to, I stand with the Church on this.

But is it truly wrong? As I said above, I do not see how it contradicts the teachings of the Church. Further, adopting isn’t even a validation of gay marriage at all, any more than placing children with a non-Catholic heterosexual couple implies a recognition that their marriage is a valid sacrament.

Yes, it is wrong. No where did I or the Church say anything about Gay marriage.

It is setting up these children to fail. Not a good thing.

 

[Mirdath]

Rationalize all you need to, I stand with the Church on this.

Stand where you like; it’s an honest question though. Why does the Church pick and choose what kind of unrepentant mortal sinner is allowed to adopt children, and how does it justify those choices?

Yes, it is wrong.

How?

No where did I or the Church say anything about Gay marriage.

I know, I was just getting that out of the way before it came up again.

 

[InTheWilderness]

I think the Catholic Charities should stop providing adoption services to the general public.

Catholic Charities should offer assistance to members of the Church who have no obvious impediment to raising a family in a manner consistent with Church teachings. So, the homosexual couple would be out, as would those with illegitimate marriages, and all sorts of others.

This would likely require a very different relationship with various government agencies, and it would probably limit the amount of services the Catholic Charities could provide.

Ideally, Catholics can work toward changes in the law as well.

Finally, if no other option is available, I am willing to endorse ignoring the law. However, if any other means of solving this problem in a just manner are available, then that choice should be avoided.