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I love Alpha. WE attended and it set our faith on fire. Nicky Gumbel is fantastic in his talks. Don’t believe the anti-Alpha hype. We were able to bring some friends to church for Alpha and they ended up joining the Church.
I agree that Catholic teaching should be part of the course, but Alpha itself is a great first step for non-Christians.
 
If you are looking for a beginner’s class in Christianity for Catholics, look no further than your parish’s RCIA Catechesis program.

The Alpha course is a Christian beginner basics class that purports to present “mere Christianity” in a way that is acceptable to all denominations. (Personally, I doubt that this is even possible.)
This is absolutely possible. The Alpha course is very basic christianity, very vanilla. It was explained to us that this was put in place in our RCIA program for those who are new to Faith at all. Really starting at the beginning. Alpha is only a ten week program and after that is the beginning of the teachings of the Catholic Church. I love to listen to Nicky, he speaks well and has a great message. I am very appreciative that this is how this course has started out. I have already learned SO much!
 
This is absolutely possible. The Alpha course is very basic christianity, very vanilla.
Do they teach that Jesus founded the Catholic Church, or that St. Peter was the first Pope? (These seems like “vanilla” fundamentals, to me, but I know that Protestants don’t believe them.)
It was explained to us that this was put in place in our RCIA program for those who are new to Faith at all. Really starting at the beginning. Alpha is only a ten week program and after that is the beginning of the teachings of the Catholic Church. I love to listen to Nicky, he speaks well and has a great message. I am very appreciative that this is how this course has started out. I have already learned SO much!
Yes, but how much of the underlying attitudes (the “we’re all really the same” stuff, and the “Catholics add on to the basic message of Christ” idea) will you have to un-learn, after you become Catholic?
 
It’s not about the church, it’s about being Christian.

Lessons like:
How God guides us
How you can be sure of Faith
Why and how to read the Bible
Why and how to pray
How to resist evil

There is no reason to unlearn those things at all.

The “how to be sure of faith” lesson was one of my favorites. He likens the question “Do you have a relationship with God?” to “Are you married?” It was fantastic

They had a questionaire at the beginning of the course asking the attendees if they thought that they had a relationship with God and answers included: “ish” “not sure” “sometimes yes, but looking back maybe no”
Using the same answers to the question “are you married?”
Funny and made the point.
 
It’s not about the church, it’s about being Christian.

Lessons like:
How God guides us
How you can be sure of Faith
Why and how to read the Bible
Why and how to pray
How to resist evil
Fundamentalists have a different definition of every bolded term above. You have no concern that RCIA candidates would approach Catholic teaching with those corrupted definitions? 😦

Get an idea of just how serpentine Lutheran definitions of “faith” can be: Was The Joint Declaration Truly Justified?

As St. Francis noted, evangelization isn’t merely in the words.
 
It’s not about the church, it’s about being Christian.

Lessons like:
How God guides us
God guides us through the Magisterium of the Catholic Church.
How you can be sure of Faith
Faith seeks understanding; understanding cannot seek faith. (St. Thomas Aquinas)
Why and how to read the Bible
With the mind and in the context of the Catholic Church out of which it came.
Why and how to pray
Our most important prayer is the Mass.
How to resist evil
Through frequent use of the Sacraments, and by daily praying the Rosary.
There is no reason to unlearn those things at all.
I’ll convert to Alpha, if they teach the above. Otherwise, I won’t waste my time.
The “how to be sure of faith” lesson was one of my favorites. He likens the question “Do you have a relationship with God?” to “Are you married?” It was fantastic
They had a questionaire at the beginning of the course asking the attendees if they thought that they had a relationship with God and answers included: “ish” “not sure” “sometimes yes, but looking back maybe no”
Using the same answers to the question “are you married?”
Funny and made the point.
So, he told you that if you are baptized, you are following the precepts of the Catholic Church, and have an active prayer life, you are in a relationship with Christ?
 
I was fingering some beads, when an inspiration for a course outline popped whole into my head that would give St. Dominic joy:

Lesson 1: The Apostle’s Creed
Lesson 2: The Our Father
Lesson 3: The Hail Mary (St. Thomas Aquinas wrote some great course notes for this)
Lessons: 4-23: Mysteries of the Rosary
Lesson 24: Hail Holy Queen (St. Alphonsus de Liguori wrote the course notes)
Lesson 25: The Fatima Prayer, and its origins

Maybe we can market it to the Evangelicals! 😃

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May I ask you about the key on the Rosary? I own it but I’m not sure the meaning of it. Something to do with Fatima apparation?
I got the pic from wikipedia, so I don’t know for sure. The key is usually a symbol of Peter and the Papacy. From wikipedia:
The papal coat of arms traditionally features a gold and silver key, representing the power to bind and to loose on earth (silver) and in heaven (gold). These are a reference to St Matthew’s Gospel, chapter 16, verses 18-19:
“You are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. I will give you the keys to the kingdom of heaven. Whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven; and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.”
Thus in ecclesiastical heraldry, the keys symbolise the spiritual authority of the Papacy as the Vicar of Christ on Earth.
Here is our present Holy Father’s coat of arms:

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Unfortunately, this thread which largely defames Alpha for Roman Catholic usage and along the way manages to defame our Protestant brothers and sisters as well is an outrage and needs redress. Mr Cook is entirely off base. Contrary to assailing Alpha for being a deceptive, individualistic Protestant Charismatic subterfuge, it is these critics that are the hyper individualistic “Popes” in their own minds who are so willing to attack a course that is proclaiming the Gospel of Jesus Christ in such a powerful way across the world. Why do I judge them to be hyper-individualistic? Why indeed? The Roman Catholic Bishops of the USA recommend Alpha unreservedly for use in the Catholic context as a spearhead of the New Evangelization (check www. usccb.org if you don’t believe me) Fr. Raniero Cantalamessa, O.F.M. Cap. , the Preacher to the Papal Household for over 25 years, has also been a public supporter of Alpha for years! Pope John Paul 2 received Rev. Nicky Gumbel, the primary exponent of Alpha, and publically thanked him for his work and for the blessing Alpha has brought to the world and to the Catholic Church! Alpha has been an officially invited guest at several World Youth Days. Alpha is the major parish based ministry for the New Evangelization in France. I could go on an on. But, still, if someone googles RCIA and Alpha, the first return directs the googler to this defamatory thread and its lay “experts” who have been deluded into thinking that the Pope is a highly individualistic charismatic Protestant (oh my God, he used the “P” word!) or he is not very smart or he actually believes in the Spiritual Ecumenism taught by Vatican 2, Popes John 23, Paul 6, JP 2 and Blessed Benedict! Perhaps these commentators would be much happier in the Society of Saint Pius the Tenth! Particularly as I suspect they are just aggressive, polemical, highly individualistic non-charismatic evangelical Protestants who simply “changed sides”. It’s time they actually became Catholic! Why the intensity? Not only the fact that Google takes one to this thread (which should be wiped out and replaced with a hugely positive review of Alpha at Catholic Answers) but also because the Sin against the Holy Spirit is the only unforgivable sin! Imagine the number of souls that would have been reached if parishioners considering Alpha had not Googled to this thread. Imagine the parishes now closing due to lack of numbers that might be thriving if Cathlic Answers promoted Alpha, as indeed, in Jesus name, you should.
 
Wow, having reservations about Alpha is equal to sinning against the Holy Spirit (final impenitence unto damnation!)?!

Spoken like a true Kool-aid drinker. 👍
 
Hi. I’m not sure if anyone is familiar with an evangelization program called Alpha, but in a nutshell, it’s a basic Christianity course that was designed to evangelize to the unchurched or those who have left the church. It was developed in the Anglican church, but many Catholic churches have embraced it because it’s a very effective tool for evangilization. I can attest that it’s a powerful program, as the Lord used it to bring me home to the Catholic Church.

Anyway, after participating in the program (and experiencing a major conversion) the Chairperson at my church asked me and another woman to start an Alpha for Youth program. At first we were very hesitant, but agreed to give it a try. We’re in our third year and everyone who participates, teens and volunteers alike thoroughly enjoy it!

So what’s the problem, you ask? Well, we get little or no support from the pastors of our church and there are some individuals who are in positions of authority who don’t think a Catholic Church should be running a program developed in an Anglican church. None of them have been through the program themselves and the program doesn’t teach anything that is contrary to the teachings of the Church–it’s BASIC Christianity and teaches people about Jesus and how to have a relationship with him (prayer, reading the bible, going to church, evangelizing, etc.), the Trinity, and the Holy Spirit.

After putting so much time, effort, and money into this program, and knowing how affective it is, it’s frustrating me that our parish priests don’t show any interest & don’t support our efforts in any way (other than just allowing us to run the programs).

Recently, we had two new parishioners start a high school youth group and because our Church has always had a hard time getting the youth engaged, our pastor has assigned their group an assistant pastors to help them get things going. We were told that both assistant pastors where in charge of helping to get the youth more engaged, but neither of them show any interest in our program (we welcome middle and high school students). When the assistant pastors first came to our church, we offered to present the program to them so they would know what it’s all about, but we never heard back.

I met with our pastor about a month ago and he genuinly seemed supportive and had some great ideas for us to try to attract more teens (it’s SO hard to get them to come to our program, but once they do, they have a blast and invite their friends). Because we need live presenters and don’t yet have older teens or college students to do the presentations, I asked him if we could get seminarians to help out. He said he would see what he could do, but hasn’t made the call yet and now he seems to be avoiding me.

I’m so incredibly frustrated, but am not sure how to proceed. There is so much I’m really not understanding and am becoming quite angry and bitter, which I don’t want to do! I can honestly say that I can understand why people leave the Catholic Church. The beurocracy, politics, and lack of support for those who just want to bring people to Christ is so frustrating. I’ve read the bible and my Catholic church doesn’t resemble the early Christian church at all…there is no evanelization and the Holy Spirit is stiffled.

After running our program on Sunday nights for the first two years successfully, we had to move to Friday nights this year because the Sr. Youth Group wanted to run their program on Sundays. Well, Friday nights have proved to be the death of our Alpha program. The youth program has just two new middle schoolers, with six volunteers coming back from last year to help… Even with the teens who are coming, we are running into many conflicts (dances, sport events, etc.). The sad part is that the Sr. Youth Group only got one new participant and many of the ones from last year moved over from our program.

I’m really not sure what to do…do I try to find another Catholic church with a more supportive priest…do I try to talk with my pastor again, even though he only ever gives me lip service? HELP! I don’t understand why they can’t see the value in the Alpha program (for youth, adults, and families) or at the very least appreciate our efforts…

::::SIGH:::: well, at the very least, it feels good to vent.:o
 
Hi. I’m not sure if anyone is familiar with an evangelization program called Alpha, but in a nutshell, it’s a basic Christianity course that was designed to evangelize to the unchurched or those who have left the church. It was developed in the Anglican church, but many Catholic churches have embraced it because it’s a very effective tool for evangilization. I can attest that it’s a powerful program, as the Lord used it to bring me home to the Catholic Church.

Anyway, after participating in the program (and experiencing a major conversion) the Chairperson at my church asked me and another woman to start an Alpha for Youth program. At first we were very hesitant, but agreed to give it a try. We’re in our third year and everyone who participates, teens and volunteers alike thoroughly enjoy it!

So what’s the problem, you ask? Well, we get little or no support from the pastors of our church and there are some individuals who are in positions of authority who don’t think a Catholic Church should be running a program developed in an Anglican church. None of them have been through the program themselves and the program doesn’t teach anything that is contrary to the teachings of the Church–it’s BASIC Christianity and teaches people about Jesus and how to have a relationship with him (prayer, reading the bible, going to church, evangelizing, etc.), the Trinity, and the Holy Spirit.

After putting so much time, effort, and money into this program, and knowing how affective it is, it’s frustrating me that our parish priests don’t show any interest & don’t support our efforts in any way (other than just allowing us to run the programs).

Recently, we had two new parishioners start a high school youth group and because our Church has always had a hard time getting the youth engaged, our pastor has assigned their group an assistant pastors to help them get things going. We were told that both assistant pastors where in charge of helping to get the youth more engaged, but neither of them show any interest in our program (we welcome middle and high school students). When the assistant pastors first came to our church, we offered to present the program to them so they would know what it’s all about, but we never heard back.

I met with our pastor about a month ago and he genuinly seemed supportive and had some great ideas for us to try to attract more teens (it’s SO hard to get them to come to our program, but once they do, they have a blast and invite their friends). Because we need live presenters and don’t yet have older teens or college students to do the presentations, I asked him if we could get seminarians to help out. He said he would see what he could do, but hasn’t made the call yet and now he seems to be avoiding me.

I’m so incredibly frustrated, but am not sure how to proceed. There is so much I’m really not understanding and am becoming quite angry and bitter, which I don’t want to do! I can honestly say that I can understand why people leave the Catholic Church. The beurocracy, politics, and lack of support for those who just want to bring people to Christ is so frustrating. I’ve read the bible and my Catholic church doesn’t resemble the early Christian church at all…there is no evanelization and the Holy Spirit is stiffled.

After running our program on Sunday nights for the first two years successfully, we had to move to Friday nights this year because the Sr. Youth Group wanted to run their program on Sundays. Well, Friday nights have proved to be the death of our Alpha program. The youth program has just two new middle schoolers, with six volunteers coming back from last year to help… Even with the teens who are coming, we are running into many conflicts (dances, sport events, etc.). The sad part is that the Sr. Youth Group only got one new participant and many of the ones from last year moved over from our program.

I’m really not sure what to do…do I try to find another Catholic church with a more supportive priest…do I try to talk with my pastor again, even though he only ever gives me lip service? HELP! I don’t understand why they can’t see the value in the Alpha program (for youth, adults, and families) or at the very least appreciate our efforts…

::::SIGH:::: well, at the very least, it feels good to vent.:o
Dear Born Again Catholic,

I am very interested in working with in any way that I can. I am very involved with Alpha in my role as National Director | Alpha for Catholics. I know many Catholics around the country who are willing and able to work with you. I know of one man in New England that has used Youth Alpha for the past 10 years as part of his Confirmation prep and had over 1000 young folks come through Youth Alpha with tremendous success. This is a huge subject and one that might be best suited with a conference call connecting a few people that can help. Please contact me at: stevemitchell@alphausa.org or by phone at 248.789.5764.

Deacon Steve Mitchell
 
Dear Born Again Catholic,

I am very interested in working with in any way that I can. I am very involved with Alpha in my role as National Director | Alpha for Catholics. I know many Catholics around the country who are willing and able to work with you. I know of one man in New England that has used Youth Alpha for the past 10 years as part of his Confirmation prep and had over 1000 young folks come through Youth Alpha with tremendous success. This is a huge subject and one that might be best suited with a conference call connecting a few people that can help. Please contact me at: stevemitchell@alphausa.org or by phone at 248.789.5764.

Deacon Steve Mitchell
Hi! Thank you so much for offering to help me! I think I know who you are talking about…North Shore Christian Ministries? They are the ones that actually trained us a few years back and have been very supportive. I’ve also been in communication with Dick Kiernan, who has also been a great help, although he doesn’t know the latest saga. I will get in contact with you as soon as time permits.
 
Anyway, after participating in the program (and experiencing a major conversion) the Chairperson at my church asked me and another woman to start an Alpha for Youth program… . . . So what’s the problem, you ask? Well, we get little or no support from the pastors of our church and
this does not compute
the chairperson (whatever that is) asked you to start the program
the pastor does not support the program
the problem is not with Alpha
the problem is with who is the real pastor of this parish, and who is the chairperson to start programs he does not approve?
how did you even get approval to purchase the materials, which are not cheap, without the pastor’s say so?
Hi.
Recently, we had two new parishioners start a high school youth group and because our Church has always had a hard time getting the youth engaged, our pastor has assigned their group an assistant pastors to help them get things going.
who the heck is in charge in this parish?
new parishioners, or old ones for that matter, may not ever, no matter how well intentioned “start new programs” without the pastor’s direction and support. period.

sounds like nobody in your parish has ever sat down and looked at the needs of youth of the parish and considered, using guidelines already provided by your diocese and the US bishops, how best to meet them.
 
this does not compute
the chairperson (whatever that is) asked you to start the program
the pastor does not support the program
the problem is not with Alpha
the problem is with who is the real pastor of this parish, and who is the chairperson to start programs he does not approve?
how did you even get approval to purchase the materials, which are not cheap, without the pastor’s say so?

who the heck is in charge in this parish?
new parishioners, or old ones for that matter, may not ever, no matter how well intentioned “start new programs” without the pastor’s direction and support. period.

sounds like nobody in your parish has ever sat down and looked at the needs of youth of the parish and considered, using guidelines already provided by your diocese and the US bishops, how best to meet them.
Wow, I didn’t expect to get attacked in this forum…

I never said the pastor didn’t want us to run this program. Perhaps I didn’t provide the correct title to the person who is in charge of this ministry (Alpha Program) at our church, but she got permission to run it several years ago–the Board AND pastor approved it.

Before starting the Youth Alpha program, we had a meeting with our pastors and all the youth leaders of our church (confirmation, religious ed, youth groups, etc.). Nobody ever told us that we couldn’t run the Alpha or Alpha for Youth programs and many, many people have gone though the Adult Alpha program and went on to the RCIA and/or became much more involved in parish life (in other words, the program has been extremely fruitful). The ONLY problem I’ve heard from people (who have never gone through the program, mind you), is that it’s not a Catholic program (it was developed in the Anglican church). My pastor doesn’t have a problem with that (and neither does the Pope or many Catholic bishops) and has told me that his only concern is that he doesn’t want it to conflict with the Sr. Youth Group or confuse the youth in running two youth programs.

Bottom line is that the Alpha program compliments the other ministries and brings people to Christ and His Church and it’s our churches only evangelization program.

Parishioners, new and old, who have a desire to serve Christ and bring people to Him should be embraced and appreciated, not pushed away! Just my humble opinion.
 
Wow, I didn’t expect to get attacked in this forum…

I never said the pastor didn’t want us to run this program. Perhaps I didn’t provide the correct title to the person who is in charge of this ministry (Alpha Program) at our church, but she got permission to run it several years ago–the Board AND pastor approved it.

Before starting the Youth Alpha program, we had a meeting with our pastors and all the youth leaders of our church (confirmation, religious ed, youth groups, etc.). Nobody ever told us that we couldn’t run the Alpha or Alpha for Youth programs and many, many people have gone though the Adult Alpha program and went on to the RCIA and/or became much more involved in parish life (in other words, the program has been extremely fruitful). The ONLY problem I’ve heard from people (who have never gone through the program, mind you), is that it’s not a Catholic program (it was developed in the Anglican church). My pastor doesn’t have a problem with that (and neither does the Pope or many Catholic bishops) and has told me that his only concern is that he doesn’t want it to conflict with the Sr. Youth Group or confuse the youth in running two youth programs.

Bottom line is that the Alpha program compliments the other ministries and brings people to Christ and His Church and it’s our churches only evangelization program.

Parishioners, new and old, who have a desire to serve Christ and bring people to Him should be embraced and appreciated, not pushed away! Just my humble opinion.
 
Wow, I didn’t expect to get attacked in this forum…

I never said the pastor didn’t want us to run this program. Perhaps I didn’t provide the correct title to the person who is in charge of this ministry (Alpha Program) at our church, but she got permission to run it several years ago–the Board AND pastor approved it.
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where did I attack you?
you gave a long explanation of your struggles, which seem to stem from lack of support from the pastor and parish leadership

if I read your somewhat involved story wrong, I apologize

I am a strong supporter of Alpha and the coordinator here, but your story did not seem to be so much about Alpha, as about competing youth ministry programs in your parish.

If there is no conflict, then simply disregard my comment, as I will disregard your story, since I obviously misinterpreted it. Please do not look for ill feeling or intent where none exists.
 
Hi there 🙂

I am wondering if there’s anyone here who happens to be catholic and has taken the Alpha Course. I am currently enrolled at an Alpha Course through my workplace at a christian childcare center. The course is being run by a Congregational Christian Church in Canada who also happens to be my employer.

I agreed to do this course because part of my contract that i signed with my employer requires me to do the Alpha course once a year. Before signing the contract I had never heard of the Alpha course before. They want me to do the alpha course to understand the differences in their church vs mine and what I should or shouldn’t be teaching the children at the daycare center in which i am employed.

The problem that I’m finding is that because I am the only Catholic in the group I am constantly defending my beliefs and being told why they are wrong by the fellow participants and leaders of the group who don’t share the same belief as me. I am at the point today where I feel as though I argue too much about why i believe what i believe instead of learning something new that i haven’t heard before. So I’m wondering if any other Catholics have taken this course and what they thought of it?

Thank you for taking the time to read my question and I look forward to hearing from you soon!
 
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