Altar Crucifix - where's the reference?

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I’ve heard a lot of discussion here and on some blogs about placing a crucifix on the altar. I know the Holy Father does this, and I think it is beautiful.

What is the reference document? I know that the GIRM states that a crucifix should be on or near the altar during Mass, visible to the faithful. Perhaps the interpretation is that the altar crucifix is used if there is no other crucifix visible. Or perhaps there is some more recent directive about which I am not aware.

I’m told that there can be only one crufix in the sanctuary. Since our church has a beautiful large crucifix above the tabernacle, I am told that we cannot have an additional crucifix on the altar. Does anyone know if there is a specific reference for this?
 
Jesus,our Lords peace be whit You.
OK,this one I can’t ansver,but it made me think. I have three crusifixes on my wall at home. So wonder if I have made something wrong, Lets hope someone will ansver this one.
 
I’ve heard a lot of discussion here and on some blogs about placing a crucifix on the altar. I know the Holy Father does this, and I think it is beautiful.

What is the reference document? I know that the GIRM states that a crucifix should be on or near the altar during Mass, visible to the faithful. Perhaps the interpretation is that the altar crucifix is used if there is no other crucifix visible. Or perhaps there is some more recent directive about which I am not aware.

I’m told that there can be only one crufix in the sanctuary. Since our church has a beautiful large crucifix above the tabernacle, I am told that we cannot have an additional crucifix on the altar. Does anyone know if there is a specific reference for this?
If there is already a crucifix prominently displayed above the tabernacle (And I assume that by this we mean above the “old” altar), why would one have yet another on the “new” altar? Is the crucifix that is already there somehow invalid? It is there. There it is. Requirement satisfied. To add another would be quite redundant.

I think the fact that most churches now have two altars in the chancel (on account of the reforms of Vatican II) is the cause of all the confusion as to numbers of candles and crucifixes. The typical “cross and six candlesticks” arrangement (actually eight candlesticks: two smaller candlesticks were often placed on the altar for Low Masses) for the High Altar was the norm before the reforms of the Council. When you erect a free-standing altar in front of the old high altar, however, the requirements with respect to positioning of candles change, obviously.

Some people, however, are looking, erroneously, at the arrangement of the appointments on the high altar of St. Peter’s as the model for their own parishes and are becoming annoyed that their pastors aren’t arranging their crosses and candlesticks “Benedict XVI-style”, as though the practice originated with Pope Benedict, or as though the altar at St. Peter’s were a “new” altar, like that in a typical parish.

The problem is that the high altar of St. Peter’s is and has always been a free-standing altar according to the ancient form. There is no “old” altar against the wall, behind it. That free standing altar is the “old” altar, of course. And Mass at St. Peter’s was always celebrated vesus populum and at the same time ad orientam, as the altar is so oriented (in ancient times, the practice was for the congregation to turn around and face the doors leading to St. Peter’s Square, which were opened, allowing the “sun” [Christ] to enter, the great “Orient from on high”, so that the pope and people were all facing east, together, looking out the door!).

In your parish church, the “old” altar, if it remains, represents the “liturgical east” (whether or not it is actually oriented). The new, free-standing (but not oriented) altar in front of it cannot be assumed to bear the same requirements as the altar of St. Peter’s (which is both oriented and free-standing). Neither can it be assumed to bear the same requirements as the old high altar, which is probably lengthier (or which at least has lengthier gradines to accomodate the traditional candle arrangement).

Typically, the new, free-standing altar has two or four candles on or around it, and the traditional candle/crucifix arrangement is preserved on the high altar behind it. In cases where the old high altar has been removed outright, it cannot be said, I think, that the “liturgical east” changes, thus compelling the new altar to be treated in the same manner of the high altar at St. Peter’s. The architectural form, and not the new altar, points to the liturgical east, even though the original altar is no longer there. This is my opinion, and may not necessarily be the correct one–the opinion of liturgists–but it seems logical to me (obviously).

At any rate, many of the new free-standing altars have mensas that are rather smaller than the old altars, and to insist upon six tall candlesticks and a cross–all lined up in the typical manner–would look crowded to the point of being ridiculous in most cases. In my opinion, the best solution (in places where the old altar remains) is to preserve the six high Mass candlesticks and the altar cross (which may actually, in many cases, be on the wall behind the old altar) at the high altar, then adorning the new altar with two candlesticks, one on each side. To have six and six with a cross on each altar would be redundant, not to mention silly-looking. And for some to insist that the celebrant face east at the new altar is, of course, completely absurd. Why is the new altar there, at all, in that case? Talk about redundant.

In any case, we mustn’t make the mistake of saying “Well, Pope Benedict celebrates Mass with seven candlesticks all lined up in a row and a matching altar cross in the center, therefore all other Catholic churches should do likewise on their free-standing altars!” The free-standing altar of your parish church, remember, does not compare to the high altar of St. Peter’s. The situation is completely different.

Also, what we see at St. Peter’s, now, is not “Pope Benedict XVI’s” arrangement: it is the normal arrangement, restored. Whether a parish arranges their candles thus on their altar is not indicative of its degree of fidelity to the reigning pontiff.
 
If there is already a crucifix prominently displayed above the tabernacle (And I assume that by this we mean above the “old” altar), why would one have yet another on the “new” altar? Is the crucifix that is already there somehow invalid? It is there. There it is. Requirement satisfied. To add another would be quite redundant.

I think the fact that most churches now have two altars in the chancel (on account of the reforms of Vatican II) is the cause of all the confusion as to numbers of candles and crucifixes. The typical “cross and six candlesticks” arrangement (actually eight candlesticks: two smaller candlesticks were often placed on the altar for Low Masses) for the High Altar was the norm before the reforms of the Council. When you erect a free-standing altar in front of the old high altar, however, the requirements with respect to positioning of candles change, obviously.

Some people, however, are looking, erroneously, at the arrangement of the appointments on the high altar of St. Peter’s as the model for their own parishes and are becoming annoyed that their pastors aren’t arranging their crosses and candlesticks “Benedict XVI-style”, as though the practice originated with Pope Benedict, or as though the altar at St. Peter’s were a “new” altar, like that in a typical parish.

The problem is that the high altar of St. Peter’s is and has always been a free-standing altar according to the ancient form. There is no “old” altar against the wall, behind it. That free standing altar is the “old” altar, of course. And Mass at St. Peter’s was always celebrated vesus populum and at the same time ad orientam, as the altar is so oriented (in ancient times, the practice was for the congregation to turn around and face the doors leading to St. Peter’s Square, which were opened, allowing the “sun” [Christ] to enter, the great “Orient from on high”, so that the pope and people were all facing east, together, looking out the door!).

In your parish church, the “old” altar, if it remains, represents the “liturgical east” (whether or not it is actually oriented). The new, free-standing (but not oriented) altar in front of it cannot be assumed to bear the same requirements as the altar of St. Peter’s (which is both oriented and free-standing). Neither can it be assumed to bear the same requirements as the old high altar, which is probably lengthier (or which at least has lengthier gradines to accomodate the traditional candle arrangement).

Typically, the new, free-standing altar has two or four candles on or around it, and the traditional candle/crucifix arrangement is preserved on the high altar behind it. In cases where the old high altar has been removed outright, it cannot be said, I think, that the “liturgical east” changes, thus compelling the new altar to be treated in the same manner of the high altar at St. Peter’s. The architectural form, and not the new altar, points to the liturgical east, even though the original altar is no longer there. This is my opinion, and may not necessarily be the correct one–the opinion of liturgists–but it seems logical to me (obviously).

At any rate, many of the new free-standing altars have mensas that are rather smaller than the old altars, and to insist upon six tall candlesticks and a cross–all lined up in the typical manner–would look crowded to the point of being ridiculous in most cases. In my opinion, the best solution (in places where the old altar remains) is to preserve the six high Mass candlesticks and the altar cross (which may actually, in many cases, be on the wall behind the old altar) at the high altar, then adorning the new altar with two candlesticks, one on each side. To have six and six with a cross on each altar would be redundant, not to mention silly-looking. And for some to insist that the celebrant face east at the new altar is, of course, completely absurd. Why is the new altar there, at all, in that case? Talk about redundant.

In any case, we mustn’t make the mistake of saying “Well, Pope Benedict celebrates Mass with seven candlesticks all lined up in a row and a matching altar cross in the center, therefore all other Catholic churches should do likewise on their free-standing altars!” The free-standing altar of your parish church, remember, does not compare to the high altar of St. Peter’s. The situation is completely different.

Also, what we see at St. Peter’s, now, is not “Pope Benedict XVI’s” arrangement: it is the normal arrangement, restored. Whether a parish arranges their candles thus on their altar is not indicative of its degree of fidelity to the reigning pontiff.
I respectfully disagree, but I honestly think that all of this could be avoided by simply making ad-orientem the main and only option for the celebration of Mass. We could go back to using the old high altar, and churches would look (more) like they were originally designed to. (I say “more like they were designed” because of the horrible wreckovations many places in the 70s).
 
Another document on a single cross is the 1968 Instruction Pontificalis ritus, on the simplification of pontifical rites and insignia, of 21 June 1968.

It has: “20. Only a single cross is to be carried in a procession, to increase the dignity of the cross and its veneration. If an archbishop is present, the cross will be the archiepiscopal cross, to be carried at the head of the procession, with the image of Christ crucified facing forward. The recommended practice is to stand the processional cross near the altar so that it serves as the altar cross. If this is not done, the processional cross is put away.”

Another part of this document highlights that this is a change, from its first section: “Reform of the liturgy was meant to bring the rites once again to a noble simplicity and to authenticity as signs. Once begun many bishops insistently requested that pontifical celebrations and insignia also be simplified.
Not everything in the Caeremoniale Episcoporum can be revised before completion of the definitive reform of the Order of Mass, the divine office, and the liturgical year. But careful reflection on the matter led to the conclusion that it is now timely to establish certain measures that, while preserving the dignity of pontifical rites, will also mark them with simplicity. Therefore the following matters are ordered to be changed or introduced at once.”
(From Documents on the Liturgy 1963-1979, Liturgical Press, Minnesota, 1982, ISBN 0-8146-1281-4, pages 1392-1394).

From the 2002 General Instruction of the Roman Missal (GIRM) approved for the USA, which can be accessed from romanrite.com/girm.html :
“122. On reaching the altar, the priest and ministers make a profound bow.
The cross adorned with a figure of Christ crucified and perhaps carried in procession may be placed next to the altar to serve as the altar cross, in which case it ought to be the only cross used; otherwise it is put away in a dignified place. In addition, the candlesticks are placed on the altar or near it. It is a praiseworthy practice that the Book of the Gospels be placed upon the altar.”

From the Ceremonial of Bishops (where it describes the introductory rites for the Stational Mass of the Diocesan Bishop: “129 It is preferable that the processional cross be placed near the altar and serve as the altar cross; otherwise it is put away.” (Ceremonial of Bishops, Liturgical Press, 1989, ISBN 0-8146-1818-9, page 52).
 
Jesus,our Lords peace be whit You.
OK,this one I can’t ansver,but it made me think. I have three crusifixes on my wall at home. So wonder if I have made something wrong, Lets hope someone will ansver this one.
I don’t think you are doing anything wrong. The rules that exist pertain to churches not to people’s homes.
 
I respectfully disagree, but I honestly think that all of this could be avoided by simply making ad-orientem the main and only option for the celebration of Mass. We could go back to using the old high altar, and churches would look (more) like they were originally designed to. (I say “more like they were designed” because of the horrible wreckovations many places in the 70s).
I wouldn’t have any problem with that. For one thing, the duplication of altars in most churches looks odd, it’s a hard thing to explain to children and to visitors from other faiths, and it’s obviously causing alot of liturgical confusion. I think a sanctuary that has two main altars is a liturgical monster, in fact. Remove one or the other, if you ask me. Preferably the newer one, in most cases, except when the newer one actually has greater artistic merit than the old.
 
I respectfully disagree, but I honestly think that all of this could be avoided by simply making ad-orientem the main and only option for the celebration of Mass. We could go back to using the old high altar, and churches would look (more) like they were originally designed to. (I say “more like they were designed” because of the horrible wreckovations many places in the 70s).
“main and only” are contradictory.
 
If there is already a crucifix prominently displayed above the tabernacle (And I assume that by this we mean above the “old” altar), why would one have yet another on the “new” altar? Is the crucifix that is already there somehow invalid? It is there. There it is. Requirement satisfied. To add another would be quite redundant.

…

Also, what we see at St. Peter’s, now, is not “Pope Benedict XVI’s” arrangement: it is the normal arrangement, restored. Whether a parish arranges their candles thus on their altar is not indicative of its degree of fidelity to the reigning pontiff.
I am thankful Pope Benedict XVI has restored the traditional candlesticks and the central altar cross on the high altar of Saint Peter’s Basilica. Yet, the so-called “Benedictine Altar Arrangement” certainly extends beyond the simple act of restoring the various elements of the high altar of Saint Peter’ Basilica and the issue of the number of candlesticks on an old high altar behind a new free-standing altar, furthermore, the no. of crucifixes in the sanctuary.

Pope Benedict XVI as Cardinal Ratzinger stated his preference for the position of “conversi ad Dominum,” which entails “turn towards the Lord” in The Spirit of the Liturgy. The position of a celebrant facing a central altar cross during Mass in versus populum is reorienting the liturgy toward the Lord rather than creating an enclosed circle between the celebrant and the congregation. In the end, the aim is of course a restoration of the ad orientem position of the celebrant during Mass.

Moreover, although you certainly examined the various elements I stated in my post, I disagree that the “Benedictine Altar Arrangement” could not be implemented on a free-standing altar before the old high altar. Such an arrangement has been implemented as the following video demonstrates during a Mass at Maynooth Seminary in Ireland:
youtube.com/watch?v=ZgC0DN3-26M
In addition, the New Liturgical Movement blog contains a worthwhile post regarding the “Benedictine Altar Arrangement”:
newliturgicalmovement.org/2008/04/logical-end-toward-which-altar.html
 
I am thankful Pope Benedict XVI has restored the traditional candlesticks and the central altar cross on the high altar of Saint Peter’s Basilica. Yet, the so-called “Benedictine Altar Arrangement” certainly extends beyond the simple act of restoring the various elements of the high altar of Saint Peter’ Basilica and the issue of the number of candlesticks on an old high altar behind a new free-standing altar, furthermore, the no. of crucifixes in the sanctuary.

Pope Benedict XVI as Cardinal Ratzinger stated his preference for the position of “conversi ad Dominum,” which entails “turn towards the Lord” in The Spirit of the Liturgy. The position of a celebrant facing a central altar cross during Mass in versus populum is reorienting the liturgy toward the Lord rather than creating an enclosed circle between the celebrant and the congregation. In the end, the aim is of course a restoration of the ad orientem position of the celebrant during Mass.

Moreover, although you certainly examined the various elements I stated in my post, I disagree that the “Benedictine Altar Arrangement” could not be implemented on a free-standing altar before the old high altar. Such an arrangement has been implemented as the following video demonstrates during a Mass at Maynooth Seminary in Ireland:
youtube.com/watch?v=ZgC0DN3-26M
In addition, the New Liturgical Movement blog contains a worthwhile post regarding the “Benedictine Altar Arrangement”:
newliturgicalmovement.org/2008/04/logical-end-toward-which-altar.html
Our priest has followed the Benedictine example and has been using a personal crucifix, about 10 inches long, that he lays on the altar, facing him…in addition to the tall standing crucifix, facing the congregation.

I find this quite beautiful.
 
I am thankful Pope Benedict XVI has restored the traditional candlesticks and the central altar cross on the high altar of Saint Peter’s Basilica. Yet, the so-called “Benedictine Altar Arrangement” certainly extends beyond the simple act of restoring the various elements of the high altar of Saint Peter’ Basilica and the issue of the number of candlesticks on an old high altar behind a new free-standing altar, furthermore, the no. of crucifixes in the sanctuary.

Pope Benedict XVI as Cardinal Ratzinger stated his preference for the position of “conversi ad Dominum,” which entails “turn towards the Lord” in The Spirit of the Liturgy. The position of a celebrant facing a central altar cross during Mass in versus populum is reorienting the liturgy toward the Lord rather than creating an enclosed circle between the celebrant and the congregation. In the end, the aim is of course a restoration of the ad orientem position of the celebrant during Mass.

Moreover, although you certainly examined the various elements I stated in my post, I disagree that the “Benedictine Altar Arrangement” could not be implemented on a free-standing altar before the old high altar. Such an arrangement has been implemented as the following video demonstrates during a Mass at Maynooth Seminary in Ireland:
youtube.com/watch?v=ZgC0DN3-26M
In addition, the New Liturgical Movement blog contains a worthwhile post regarding the “Benedictine Altar Arrangement”:
newliturgicalmovement.org/2008/04/logical-end-toward-which-altar.html
Interesting…and lovely. Would that the typical Mass in the US resembled that one.

With all due credit and praise given for the sense of reverence and solemnity projected by this particular celebration, I have to say that the duplication of cross and candles, to me, looks awkward. It’s redundant. I understand the point you have made regarding the celebrant’s facing of the cross, but with two altars, two altar crosses, and two sets of six candlesticks (both sets lit!)…it’s just…I don’t know…it makes the sanctuary look…psychotic. It’s too much.

Perhaps it would be better to remove the candlesticks and cross from the original altar, if one is going to so appoint the newer altar. To do that would at least center the focus of worshippers on one altar of sacrifice, and not on two at once. The original altar becomes a quiet and elegant backdrop, rather than one of two principal focal points.
 
Our priest has followed the Benedictine example and has been using a personal crucifix, about 10 inches long, that he lays on the altar, facing him…in addition to the tall standing crucifix, facing the congregation.

I find this quite beautiful.
I’m sure it certainly is. The priests at my parish haven’t adopted the ‘Benedictine Altar Arrangement’ at the moment, but that doesn’t preclude any sort of implementation in the future.
Interesting…and lovely. Would that the typical Mass in the US resembled that one.
With all due credit and praise given for the sense of reverence and solemnity projected by this particular celebration, I have to say that the duplication of cross and candles, to me, looks awkward. It’s redundant. I understand the point you have made regarding the celebrant’s facing of the cross, but with two altars, two altar crosses, and two sets of six candlesticks (both sets lit!)…it’s just…I don’t know…it makes the sanctuary look…psychotic. It’s too much.
Perhaps it would be better to remove the candlesticks and cross from the original altar, if one is going to so appoint the newer altar. To do that would at least center the focus of worshippers on one altar of sacrifice, and not on two at once. The original altar becomes a quiet and elegant backdrop, rather than one of two principal focal points.
In many ways, both altars set-up in the traditional arrangement of six candlesticks and a central altar cross does create a somewhat chaotic looking sanctuary. Nevertheless, we’re in the beginning of the “Reform of the Reform” process of the Ordinary Form of the Roman Rite, so we may see various configurations that may work or may not work at prominent Catholic institutions throughout the world. Also, the following collection entails Mass in the Extraordinary Form at the seminary chapel without the free-standing altar:
flickr.com/photos/johnbriody/sets/72157625234804898/
 
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