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most common outfit for Mass among school age kids here is jeans, followed by skimpy tops and even cut-offs, with flip flops.Why?
most common outfit for Mass among school age kids here is jeans, followed by skimpy tops and even cut-offs, with flip flops.Why?
The flip-flops can be seen also with cassock.most common outfit for Mass among school age kids here is jeans, followed by skimpy tops and even cut-offs, with flip flops.
And with chasubles as witnessed in my parish on a regular basis (Crocs too).The flip-flops can be seen also with cassock.
I only said that, if some clothing is seen as inappropriate, the liturgical vest cannot be the way to change.And with chasubles as witnessed in my parish on a regular basis (Crocs too).
Logic says so, but I think human nature says otherwise. That the parish keeps albs for the children serving, and goes to the trouble of keeping those in beautiful condition, as much so as for the priest’s vestments, speaks to the importance of the service. It says, “This is a service about which we are willing to go to some trouble, and we expect you to trouble yourselves to dress accordingly, or else do not serve.”I only said that, if some clothing is seen as inappropriate, the liturgical vest cannot be the way to change.
However I have no problems with flip-flops.
There are different situations, but I have no problems if a child attend the church wearing flip-flops during summertime.However I have no problems with flip-flops.
What can’t be helped can’t be helped, but even in climates where sandals are properly worn for solemn occasions, there are sandals and then there are sandals.There are different situations, but I have no problems if a child attend the church wearing flip-flops during summertime.
Even if my son WANTED to wear flip-flops (which he hates), he’d never get them past the chaplain… a retired Army colonel! Black dress shoes, shined!There are different situations, but I have no problems if a child attend the church wearing flip-flops during summertime.
Probably I was too much in Africa and India for these differences.What can’t be helped can’t be helped, but even in climates where sandals are properly worn for solemn occasions, there are sandals and then there are sandals.
A young person old enough to serve is old enough to follow or dispense with clothing guidelines in the same way as adult properly would under the same circumstances.
There are climates, including the one Our Lord saw fit to live in, where sensible people would not dream of wearing more on their feet than safety required. There is nothing whatsoever irreverent about that.Probably I was too much in Africa and India for these differences.
Albs are not worn by servers to protect street clothes, and should be more carefully kept from being soiled than street clothes. They are worn as a reminder of our baptism. Similarly, cassock and surplice are symbolic of an office, not street-clothes protectors.Wow… their regular clothing? I bet they don’t dress up for Mass!
Robes are practical. Personally, I’d rather have wine or water spilled on a robe than on my best church clothes! (It has happened to me!)
Maybe. But maybe Christ himself cares whether people presume on his mercy with the attitudes they bring into church, too:I am amazed by what seems to bother people.
And then we wonder why people choose not to come to the Catholic Church.
Is it any wonder why – when they would come into contact with so many individuals who are more concerned about what people wear than that fact that they are there at church.
I believe that for many of you – Christ himself as he was dressed wouldn’t be welcomed in your parishes.
Not to derail this thread even moreAlbs are not worn by servers to protect street clothes, and should be more carefully kept from being soiled than street clothes. They are worn as a reminder of our baptism. Similarly, cassock and surplice are symbolic of an office, not street-clothes protectors.
Wearing an alb will bring us to recall this prayer from the baptismal rite:
***N., you have become a new creation, and have clothed yourself in Christ.
See in this white garment the outward sign of your Christian dignity.
With your family and friends to help you by word and example, bring that dignity unstained into the everlasting life of heaven. ***
Likewise, other clothing particular to serving at the altar are reminders of the dignity and a particular aspect of the service. This is why deacons and priests do not wear the same vestments. Each has its own meaning, particular to the office of the one wearing it.
This is kind of what this whole thread is about: When, if ever, should lay people who temporarily give service belonging to the office of an installed minister, wear the clothing that goes with it? Is the clothing proper to the service, or proper to the permanent office?
This is also why EMsHC generally do NOT wear an alb, even though an alb signifies baptism and EMsHC are always chosen from among the baptised. It is being made clear that this particular service to the altar is extraordinary, that the EMHC is assisting only, and that they are in no way laying claim to any office proper to the altar. With children and young people who are clearly too young for ordination, that much is clear, so the alb may be used without confusion.
Right. When servers are chosen from among the young men and mature boys or from among the young people in general, it is for the positive reason that doing so encourages priestly vocations among boys or devotion to the Mass among the young. In that case, vesting with the alb is proper because the young were not chosen because of the “negative reason” that an installed acolyte was not available, but for a positive reason.Not to derail this thread even morebut having EMHCs wear their regular clothes without albs hopefully means that they are coming straight from the pews to assist as needed and that they are not vesting before Mass and sitting in the sanctuary or special seating as if they were indeed some kind of supernumerary clergy.