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What’s the difference between altar serves and acolytes?
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How can you say that?Lincoln Nebraska is the only diocese in the U.S.A. That institutes “permanent” Acolytes.
My parish has recently added four men who are “instituted acolytes” and not on the way to the priesthood or deaconate. We suspect they have a lot to do with requesting the extraordinary rite from our diocese.How can you say that?
Bishop Vasa was a priest of the Diocese of Lincoln, NE.Bishop Robert Vasa, in the USA’s dicoese of Baker, also institutes men as acolytes who are not preparing for holy orders.
You get good fruits from good seeds!Bishop Vasa was a priest of the Diocese of Lincoln, NE.
I completely agree!You get good fruits from good seeds!
So basically they are still just laymen, whereas before they were ordained?Acolytes and Lectors are two of the four Minor orders of the priesthood which were abolished after Vatican II…Instead of calling them minor orders they are called institutions.
You’re wagging the dog. They are not glorified EMHC/altar servers, it’s the other way around. EMHCs and altar servers fill a void in the absence of acolytes, just as readers fill a void in the absence of lectors.So basically they are still just laymen, whereas before they were ordained? If so, it sounds like they are really nothing but glorified EMHC/altar servers. What’s the point?![]()
OK, but “instituted” acolytes are still laymen whereas before Vatican II they were part of the ordained clergy?You’re wagging the dog. They are not glorified EMHC/altar servers, it’s the other way around. EMHCs and altar servers fill a void in the absence of acolytes, just as readers fill a void in the absence of lectors.
As for the change, you’d have to look at Pope Paul VI’s document that made the change: Ministeria Quaedam from 1972.OK, but “instituted” acolytes are still laymen whereas before Vatican II they were part of the ordained clergy? If so, how can the sacrament of orders be altered? (Or eliminated as appears to be the case.) And why was it done?
Because the ministry is still used in the ordination process. Before a man is a deacon he goes through the instituted ministries of acolyte and lector. This allows him to assist at Mass in ways laymen cannot (nowadays, specifically the purification of vessels and being a de facto EMHC).Then it appears that the position of the “instituted acolyte” is silly and pointless. Why not just completely abolish it?
I believe the minor orders along with the subdiaconate were not clerics? I could be wrong thoughOK, but “instituted” acolytes are still laymen whereas before Vatican II they were part of the ordained clergy?
The 1907 Catholic Encyclopedia article on acolytes begins: “An acolyte is a cleric promoted to the fourth and highest minor order in the Latin Church, ranking next to a subdeacon.” It also refers to the ordination of an acolyte. (See newadvent.org/cathen/01106a.htm ).I believe the minor orders along with the subdiaconate were not clerics? I could be wrong though