You are saying two wrong things:
- Giving a Catholic to be a 'gloom, doom" view of the Church;
- Saying traditionalists are the only true Catholics.
There is a big difference between the Tradition of the Church and traditionalists.
If you want to be a traditionalist, fine but you have insulted all those who are not traditionalists.
If the Church is fine with the singing of "Amazing Grace’ and holding hands during the Lord’s’ Prayer, who are you to see that as evil.
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- Giving a Catholic to be a 'gloom, doom" view of the Church;** Why do you think there are people like Cardinal Arinze, Micheal Voris The vatican itself trying to straighten these abuses out(Did you even read any of the copy/paste quotes from the vatican I posted)?
The church itself acknowledges there are abuses. Its true.
2) Saying traditionalists are the only true Catholics. Where did I states that?
If the Church is fine with the singing of "Amazing Grace’ and holding hands during the Lord’s’ Prayer, who are you to see that as evil Amazing Grace is typically “protestant”
we really dont need any more outside influences then we already have. “It aint catholic”
I would rather sing Ave Maria or a song that more reflects our Catholic beliefs.
So you think its ok for the faithful to just throw in touchy feel good things in the mass thats not prescribed because evidently the mass as prescribed isnt good enough for some folks.
Heres an old article.
ROME, NOV. 18, 2003 (Zenit) - Answered by Father Edward McNamara, professor of liturgy at the Regina Apostolorum Pontifical Athenaeum.
Q: Many say we should not be holding hands in the congregation while reciting the Lord’s Prayer because it is not a community prayer but a prayer to “Our Father.” Local priests say that since the Vatican has not specifically addressed it, then we are free to do as we please: either hold hands or not. What is the true Roman Catholic way in which to recite the Lord’s Prayer during Mass? – T.P., Milford, Maine
A: It is
true that there is no prescribed posture for the hands during the Our Father and that, so far at least, neither the Holy See nor the U.S. bishops’ conference has officially addressed it.
The argument from silence is not very strong, however, because while there is no particular difficulty in a couple, family or a small group spontaneously holding hands during the Our Father, a problem arises when the entire assembly is expected or obliged to do so.
The process for introducing any new rite or gesture into the liturgy in a stable or even binding manner is already contemplated in liturgical law. This process entails a two-thirds majority vote in the bishops’ conference and the go-ahead from the Holy See before any change may take effect.
Thus, if neither the bishops’ conference nor the Holy See has seen fit to prescribe any posture for the recitation of the Our Father, it hardly behooves any lesser authority to impose a novel gesture not required by liturgical law and expect the faithful to follow their decrees.
While there are no directions as to the posture of the faithful, the rubrics clearly direct the priest and any concelebrants to pray the Our Father with hands extended – so they at least should not hold hands.
There is a big difference between the Tradition of the Church and traditionalists. Can you explain why I am wrong here please.
Really? Because the rest of the world DOES cateorize traditionalist with coinciding the
traditions in the church.
For example simple type in “traditionalist and modernist in the church” or any variation of the two. Google search bar.
Here is a couple of examples you will find.
This is what Wikipedia states.
Traditionalist Catholics are Roman Catholics who believe that there should be a restoration of many or all of the liturgical forms, public and private devotions and presentations of Catholic teachings which prevailed in the Catholic Church before the Second Vatican Council (1962–65).[1] They are most commonly associated with an attachment to the Mass liturgy in general use in that time period (often called the Tridentine Mass, the Traditional Mass or the Latin Mass), but their theological and practical concerns are broader in scope.
Traditionalist Catholics are distinct from other Catholics who have a broadly “traditional” or conservative outlook.
relijournal.com/christianity/traditionalist-vs-modernist-catholicism/#ixzz24ZHuoXsa
The currently regnant advocates of Modernism are, on the whole, informed by philosophical nominalism in their upholding of a subjective view of a reformed or transformed/transformative theological perspective that really is an ersatz ideology disguised as profound religious belief. The Modernists, moreover, mainly seek the existential rationalization of religious thinking that substantially conforms itself to the many needs of each passing generation as a kind of permanent revolution. They are, right now, openly opposed by Pope Benedict XVI and were mostly, on average, not fully held in high regard by Pope John Paul II.
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Traditionalists, in definite and sharp contrast, wish to stay within the philosophical tradition of, e.g., Aristotle, Plato, and St. Thomas Aquinas, called the perennial philosophy of moderate realism, found always within the sound thinking of traditional, orthodox, Roman Catholicism.
