Am I a candidate for a TM parish?

[CMatt25]

Have you ever seen this work in a bilingual community where tensions can run really high?

What work? Offering each other the sign of peace? One of the parishes I have attended has a community of English speaking, Spanish speaking, and Vietnamese speaking parishoners. It is somewhat big on speaking-liturgy and offers Masses in each language. They each have their attendees. I personally have attended only an English version when I have attended there because I speak and understand very little Spanish and no Vietnamese. One of the same reasons why I do not seek TLM for myself.

But while this parish has Masses in the various vernaculars, any Mass in English I’ve been to there has had quite a mix of attendees with various native tongues. Sure I’ve had those (and just in my own experience they have by and large if not exclusively been those whose native language I would guess is English) who refuse to extend their hand to me. Perhaps I have been naive and they are simply "traditionalists. In any case, especially at first it would cause a brief hurtful feeling inside of me. But then I’ve just since always assumed those who have not extended their hand do not do so because they fear my germs or something.

Otherwise they seem pretty much a community at peace with one another.

Peace be with you.

 

[CradleCath]

What work? Offering each other the sign of peace? One of the parishes I have attended has a community of English speaking, Spanish speaking, and Vietnamese speaking parishoners. It is somewhat big on speaking-liturgy and offers Masses in each language. They each have their attendees. I personally have attended only an English version when I have attended there because I speak and understand very little Spanish and no Vietnamese. One of the same reasons why I do not seek TLM for myself.

But while this parish has Masses in the various vernaculars, any Mass in English I’ve been to there has had quite a mix of attendees with various native tongues. Sure I’ve had those (and just in my own experience they have by and large if not exclusively been those whose native language I would guess is English) who refuse to extend their hand to me. Perhaps I have been naive and they are simply "traditionalists. In any case, especially at first it would cause a brief hurtful feeling inside of me. But then I’ve just since always assumed those who have not extended their hand do not do so because they fear my germs or something.

Otherwise they seem pretty much a community at peace with one another.

Peace be with you.

Shaking hands in Mass, is not “bad”…it’s just that some of us wish the placement of this practice would be at the beginning of the Mass. As it is, I was trying to meditate on the actual presence of Christ in the host I am about to receive & people were reaching for my hand not only those in my own pew, but those in the pew behind me & in front of me.

Also, at my previous parish where so much value was placed on the “happiness” of the congregation…rather than on the redeeming Sacrifice that is being celebrated. It got completely out of hand. It started as a practice of shaking the hand of ONE neighbor in the pew & ended up with people shaking every hand that they could reach &, in some cases, people would cross the aisle to shake hands. Also, the priests would disrupt the Mass at a CRUCIAL time & walk down the aisle shaking our hands.

Then started the practice of holding hands while saying the Lord’s Prayer (I have no idea where THAT came from) & moved on to the laity actually assuming the Orans position while the following doxolgy was said. It became a three ring circus & I haven’t been back since I found my wonderful TLM. There the “fellowship” comes after Mass, either on the sidewalk or in the parish hall over coffee & donuts. NOone except the priest & the servers speak after they’ve entered Church until the Mass is over & we say the Prayers that Pope St. Leo asked for. We join Father & say them aloud:

Three Hail Mary’s, the Memorare & the prayer to St. Michael the Archangel for protection of God’s Holy Church.

After that, many of us stay over for a few minutes, thanking God for the Sacrifice of the Mass & often someone will light a votive candle in front of a side altar…for a friend or relative who needs prayer. The flame represents the prayer that is said & knowing that it’s still burning, still representing my prayer for my Brother who is very sick, all during the week…is very comforting to me. It’s just a pious practice, but I like it.

 

[laszlo]

laszlo;7410661:

CradleCath;7410322:

others.

It says that retired priests from all over the Eastern coast say the Mass there.

Since Mass is said by visiting priests, I’m having trouble with understanding this, Lazlo. Please give us a link to the site that you’ve found.

"The Catholic Diocese in Harrisburg disagrees (that these are faithful Catholics). Practicing the Tridentine Mass is considered renegade by local Roman Catholic officials – the late Bishop Dattilo of the Diocese of Harrisburg refused to acknowledge it – and its members risk excommunication

.

The Roman Catholic Diocese in Harrisburg labels the Traditional Catholics a sect, **out of step with major changes made to open the church up to the people after the Second Vatican Council in 1962-65". **

I read that the current bishop allows ONE LATIN MASS, HELD ONCE A MONTH, in the Harrisburg Diocese & it’s prayed in a high school auditorium. This is disobedience to the Pope’s Motu Proprio which asked for “liberal use” of the Traditional Latin Mass.

google.com/search?q=father+tetherow&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-USfficial&client=firefox-a

If you read the Bishop’s letter it refuses to acknowledge independent church within his territory

saintspeterandpaulrcm.com/OPEN%20LETTERS/Rhoades%20reply%2012-15-07%20omni.htm

apostolates or associations may not assume the name “Catholic” without the consent of competent ecclesiastical authority. I also remind you of canon 301,1 which states: “It is for the competent ecclesiastical authority alone to erect associations of the Christian faithful which propose to hand on Christian doctrine in the name of the Church or to promote public worship, or which intend other purposes whose pursuit is of its nature reserved to the same ecclesiastical authority”.

The Church is hierarchy

 

[CMatt25]

Shaking hands in Mass, is not “bad”…it’s just that some of us wish the placement of this practice would be at the beginning of the Mass. As it is, I was trying to meditate on the actual presence of Christ in the host I am about to receive & people were reaching for my hand not only those in my own pew, but those in the pew behind me & in front of me.

Also, at my previous parish where so much value was placed on the “happiness” of the congregation…rather than on the redeeming Sacrifice that is being celebrated. It got completely out of hand. It started as a practice of shaking the hand of ONE neighbor in the pew & ended up with people shaking every hand that they could reach &, in some cases, people would cross the aisle to shake hands. Also, the priests would disrupt the Mass at a CRUCIAL time & walk down the aisle shaking our hands.

Then started the practice of holding hands while saying the Lord’s Prayer (I have no idea where THAT came from) & moved on to the laity actually assuming the Orans position while the following doxolgy was said. It became a three ring circus & I haven’t been back since I found my wonderful TLM. There the “fellowship” comes after Mass, either on the sidewalk or in the parish hall over coffee & donuts. NOone except the priest & the servers speak after they’ve entered Church until the Mass is over & we say the Prayers that Pope St. Leo asked for. We join Father & say them aloud:

Three Hail Mary’s, the Memorare & the prayer to St. Michael the Archangel for protection of God’s Holy Church.

After that, many of us stay over for a few minutes, thanking God for the Sacrifice of the Mass & often someone will light a votive candle in front of a side altar…for a friend or relative who needs prayer. The flame represents the prayer that is said & knowing that it’s still burning, still representing my prayer for my Brother who is very sick, all during the week…is very comforting to me. It’s just a pious practice, but I like it.

Thanks. I’ve never personally had trouble meditating on Christ and offering the sign of His peace shortly before He is received but to each his own I guess. The holding hands objection I suppose is just something I shall never get though. I’ve never been able to understand for instance objection to a loving family, husband, wife, children, holding hands during the Lord’s Prayer. Objecting to such a thing is something I am not quite sure I shall ever be able fathom.

Lighting candles I totally get however and I will keep your brother in my prayers.

Dear Heavenly Father, please keep CradleCath’s dear brother in your loving hands. May Thy hands comfort him and comfort Thy servant CradleCath. I pray Thy healing hands come upon CradleCath’s brother according to Thy will. And bring peace to each one of them. I ask this in the name of our Lord and Savior, Thy Son Jesus, thru Whom all things are possible. Amen.

 

[cyejbv]

Hello
I only skimmed through some of the replies; I hope this isn’t more o’ the same.

I too am a convert, you are not alone and I could have written your letter! I have been extremely frustrated as well but I’ve learned a few things also. I will offer some advice and some reflection that I prayerfully hope helps you.
God may well be using you for a purpose not clear yet, perhaps your being in a parish such as yours is because you’re needed there. Leaving is an option, finding a TLM, etc. But wouldn’t it be great if God used you were to spearhead an effort to implement a TLM at your parish?! So, don’t run without first:

1. Prayer & fasting, first. Ask for humility and to do let God use you as He needs, if He does. Invoke Our Blessed Mother as well, by all means.
2. Educate yourself as much as possible; Find and follow some GOOD sound blogs that can inform you about what to do/say in response to your challenges. Spend some time not just on right/wrong but common courtesy. So many are experts on Canon Law and this encyclical or that encyclical: remember in our anger, kindness is power and good manners are a light burden. (Thanks Mom for that! 43 and its still with me )
   2a/ Reading about the Saints is something few do anymore. I recommend to do it if you haven’t- I know you want an answer NOW, you’re fed up etc. But be patient…you might be inspired to a solution by reading about the Saints or asking for intercession from them. They are the Church Triumphant remember; what power we have to intercede for us!
3. Respectfully talk to your priest. Yes, when we confess, our priests are in persona Christi but they are not without sin and shortcomings. As a side thought: have you ever asked him to dinner at your home? Invite him over for a game night or appropriate movie/snack night with your family? And if you don’t have that kind of situation, perhaps a few parishioners and yourself could do that? I always try to think old school, (I think we converts appreciate it more ) lol!! but having a friendly relationship with your priest is very edifying, probably for him as well. It can be a most rewarding type of friendship; I’m a baby though, and when our parish priest got transferred last year we cried! Also, perhaps your priest just doesn’t understand. … the seminaries are, well. Different thread, but pray for seminarians- what I’m trying to say is maybe he truly is just a product of his environment, and no one has said anything contrary to him? Parishioners get mad and leave, or get hurt and leave. You know, I talked the other day with our new priest about some problems that popped up in the RCIA and CCD programs here (think: what you’re talking about) and you know what he said? He thanked me and said “Usually the priest is the last to know about this kind of thing” just food for thought… he is now audting the new directors of the formation programs to find out what happened, who knows. All I can do is all I can do, and it’s gotta be for God. (Which irritates my ego sometimes. Pray for me)

4.** If necessary**, you do have the right to contact your bishop as well, you may even write straight to Rome; but like I mentioned, perhaps your priest had a lapse of common sense. He might feel ‘pressured’ by women religious in your parish? Perhaps knowing he has support from people like you will be an answer to his prayer- Perhaps NOT, but assume the best first. If he’s unfaithful to the Magesterium or dismissive of you, then pursue it, but I truly think you should prayerfully do these things in order…

**And by the way for point #2: **
Father Z’s blog WDTPRS.com is EXCELLENT. Start there!!! He has some great links to other blogs also. Some bloggers get too vitriolic about TLM vs NO and he is not only a class act, but incredibly well read and he ‘teaches’ true to the Magesterium. On the other hand, he doesn’t “bash”. He made - in bold red letters, as is his wonderful way- the very strong point to someone the other day who complained about “suffering through a NO Mass” that what he was SURE what they MEANT to say was that they were fortunate to attend a NO Mass even though they would have preferred a TLM.

In other words, his point was that the NO Mass is considered a valid Mass, (136 people will go get pedantic on me here - please don’t. Pax! ) and Our Lord is there – so generalized belly-achin’ is something with which he will not put up! I don’t love NO either. The music, the noise oh wait I repeated myself there. hehe – and the closest one in my state is almost 6hrs away AGH!! But I believe: if you can affect change in your parish go for it! If not, offer your hurt and confusion up.

‘Most are waiting on Someone to get it done’…As is the motto of the Christophers “Its better to light one candle than curse the darkness.”

Good Luck and God Bless You!
Pax Per Christum Dominum Nostrum

 

[cyejbv]

The closest TLM is6 hrs away… sorry had to clarify that !

 

[Miriam1947]

And by the way for point #2:
Father Z’s blog WDTPRS.com is EXCELLENT. Start there!!! He has some great links to other blogs also. Some bloggers get too vitriolic about TLM vs NO and he is not only a class act, but incredibly well read and he ‘teaches’ true to the Magesterium. On the other hand, he doesn’t “bash”. He made - in bold red letters, as is his wonderful way- the very strong point to someone the other day who complained about “suffering through a NO Mass” that what he was SURE what they MEANT to say was that they were fortunate to attend a NO Mass even though they would have preferred a TLM.

In other words, his point was that the NO Mass is considered a valid Mass, (136 people will go get pedantic on me here - please don’t. Pax! ) and Our Lord is there – so generalized belly-achin’ is something with which he will not put up! I don’t love NO either. The music, the noise oh wait I repeated myself there. hehe – and the closest one in my state is almost 6hrs away AGH!! But I believe: if you can affect change in your parish go for it! If not, offer your hurt and confusion up.

‘Most are waiting on Someone to get it done’…As is the motto of the Christophers “Its better to light one candle than curse the darkness.”

Good Luck and God Bless You!
Pax Per Christum Dominum Nostrum

Love his blog. Father Z is a convert. I didn’t know that until I listened to the archives of The Journey Home.

 

[Samuel63]

The closest TLM is6 hrs away… sorry had to clarify that !

Six hours sounds pretty far. Have you checked by zip code at www.masstimes.org ?

 

[laszlo]

Six hours sounds pretty far. Have you checked by zip code at www.masstimes.org ?

This site list all the Catholic Churches, regardless of the rite. Strictly TLM (in full communion with Roma) masses are listed

web2.airmail.net/carlsch/MaterDei/churches.htm

or

ecclesiadei.org/masses.cfm

This later list 6 TLM locations for the diocese of Harrisburg 3 of them every day; making a good indication about the opinion of the bishop for the Traditional Latin Mass

 

[Bbigam]

You certainly could switch to a parish that celebrates the Extraordinary Form of the Mass (in full union with the local bishop), but that doesn’t have to be your answer. I know nothing about the Catholic Church in your area, but I know that the Ordinary Form doesn’t have to be as you describe. I’m familiar with both the Ordinary and Extraordinary Forms of the Mass, and appreciate both - but I’ve come to realize that overall I prefer the Ordinary Form - when celebrated in a traditional way, much more traditional than your average American parish. I’m part of a great parish that celebrates the Ordinary Form in a traditional way and the Truth of Catholic teaching is taught faithfully.

If, however, the Extraordinary Form of the Mass is what you decide to go with - in union with the bishop! - that’s great too. Just please don’t hate the Ordinary Form or assume that it is responsible for all the junk that too often goes with it.

 

[CradleCath]

After what you have said, it sounds like a traditional road is the way to go for you. I have often found it a little strange that we have to get back to the basics, but as the V2 experiment was a failure in many ways (but not all), we awake to realize how precious our traditions are, and always will be. The traditional Latin does require a bit of concentrated effort to get to know well, but once it is familiar, the NO Mass will seem very bland and banal in many ways. We hopefully learned a valuable lesson about a great many things, but the ship is not so far out to sea right now that we cannot bring it back and repair the holes in the hull.

I would question the validity of any priest who would advocate women priests, and this of course could reflect the validity of his consecrations, absolutions, baptisms and other aspects of his duty to save souls. Priests like that are much better off in another profession, as many just don’t realize what damage they are doing, yet we have seen the results of some of these liberal priests in the last 40 odd years.

Many liberal minded and “progressive” Catholics want to just merge completely with protestantism to the point that the Church will cease to resemble Catholic ways at all. This is a pipe dream that will never happen, and the traditional mass is quickly taking hold again. This return to tradition will also have to be accompanied by the return of tradition thought and morals. No more communion in the hand, girl alter servers, hippy music and people in the parish who think they have to do the job of a priest in distributing communion. It has to change back to the traditional ways, or we are in serious trouble–and I can well say, with a great sigh of relief, that we are seeing these changes taking place now.

It will take time, but I can predict that the New Mass may very well be on it’s way to being less available and the TLM more available. Seminarians are now being trained and there are many FSSP priests who I know who are training priests already out in the field for the changes that are coming. I can see the value of the New Mass for those just entering the Church, to easily aquaint them with the parts of the Mass, but a serious Catholic should always prefer the traditional Latin Mass. A person even of an average intelligence can understand the Latin required if only they would APPLY themselves to the task and remember the Sacrifice of Holy Mass is not a Broadway show or a platform for opinionated priests or parishioners to express themselves. Before V2, there was no “New” Mass, one just learned it and there was no problems…why would something have to change that was already perfect? There are to many “opinions” on that, and they all smack of protestant thinking in one way or another. Ecumenical relations only work if the person (protestant or pagan or heathen or whatever) you are cavorting with becomes a Catholic, other than that it is rather pointless. Respect them, but don’t compromise the truth for political correctness.

I urge you to find a parish that offers the traditional Latin Sacrifice of Holy Mass, do more research on the way it is done and learn all you can. I provided a great link for you below.** And most of all, pray**. Prayer is what worked for many who wanted the traditional Mass and it’s widespread return and that says a great deal. The pews are full and the Church is becoming Catholic again. God Bless You.

The best site I have ever seen for understanding the TLM:
sanctamissa.org/en/index.html

GREAT POST & thanks for the link. I clicked on the different parts of the web site & found this:
cantius.org/go/webstore/product/traditional_latin_mass_dvd/

I may order this DVD. myself. I attended the TLM. until my 28th year when it was supposedly “replaced” by the Novus Ordo & have attended it exclusively since the Motu Proprio…but, one can never stop learning about the Catholic faith. There is so much to know…the Didache itself is worth much study since it’s the writings of the Apostles. The stories of the lives of our saints & our greatest Theolgians, etc., etc. I think that this is one small reason that I love the Church so much. 2,000 years of people & events & miracles & sadness…all of it is so interesting & inspiring.

 

[cyejbv]

Six hours sounds pretty far. Have you checked by zip code at www.masstimes.org ?

No, I haven’t, I will and thank you-- There is a Mass in a different state/ diocese about 150 miles from me, but I’m so confused about if I can/should go… its an SSPX Mass, about which I just know the basics, including recent events, it’s the overall I’m not clear on: I think I understand that the Mass is ok, confession no? Is "SSPX Mass"the same as EF or TLM ? (or what is the terminology? Maybe this is wrong thread to ask. Sorry if so!!)

Still learning, and pining away for a TLM, but grateful for the NO; we aren’t hiding in a basement nor worried about a bombs as we celebrate Mass. Please pray the Rosary for our brethren, separated and otherwise, especially in the Middle East.

Pax!

 

[cyejbv]

Love his blog. Father Z is a convert. I didn’t know that until I listened to the archives of The Journey Home.

Oh now you really have my attention! What is The Journey Home?? Is it a podcast? I tried to find out more information, I LOVE convert stories (esp if they become priests! haha)
I’ve never heard of that before! Thanks!

Pax!

 

[Miriam1947]

Oh now you really have my attention! What is The Journey Home?? Is it a podcast? I tried to find out more information, I LOVE convert stories (esp if they become priests! haha)
I’ve never heard of that before! Thanks!

Pax!

ewtn.com/tv/live/journeyhome.asp

You can watch on the internet.

ewtn.com/vondemand/audio/seriessearchprog.asp?seriesID=-6892289&T1=Journey

You can listen to archived shows. These go back to 1997.

ewtn.com/vondemand/audio/seriessearchprog.asp?seriesID=-6892289&T1=Journey

Go to No. 489 at this link for

The Journey Home
Host: Marcus Grodi with Fr. Zuhlsdorf
Date Produced: 8/25/2000

 

[BernadetteM]

I don’t know where different cities are in PA or what is close to you, but there is an Anglican Use Catholic parish in Scranton, PA and from what I hear two new ones who are entering the Ordinariate are forming. One in Holland and one in Lehigh Valley. If you are near Scranton you can attend there now and if the other two become part of the Ordinariate you would be able to attend them also.

The Mass is in the vernacular and close to the TLM, although once the Ordinariates are established a revised lilturgy will probably be used. One many hope that is closer to the Anglican Missal using the same Canon used in Anglican Use parishes and at TLM liturgies.

It is just a suggestion that might be a solution for you. Of course until the Ordinariate is established and the two groups forming have an ordained Catholic priest Catholics will need to fulfill their obligations at a Catholic parish.

Yours in the Hearts of Jesus and Mary

Bernadette

 

[CatholicGuy22]

Traditionalists

Complaining since 1968

 

[hartleymartin]

Tartini:

After what you have said, it sounds like a traditional road is the way to go for you. I have often found it a little strange that we have to get back to the basics, but as the V2 experiment was a failure in many ways (but not all), we awake to realize how precious our traditions are, and always will be. The traditional Latin does require a bit of concentrated effort to get to know well, but once it is familiar, the NO Mass will seem very bland and banal in many ways. We hopefully learned a valuable lesson about a great many things, but the ship is not so far out to sea right now that we cannot bring it back and repair the holes in the hull.

Vatican II was not an experiment. A lot of people never read Vatican II documents and did a lot of things “In the Spirit of Vatican II” - a ghost which continues to haunt us in this day and age, where many people just abused what Vatican II was truly about.

Tartini:

I would question the validity of any priest who would advocate women priests, and this of course could reflect the validity of his consecrations, absolutions, baptisms and other aspects of his duty to save souls. Priests like that are much better off in another profession, as many just don’t realize what damage they are doing, yet we have seen the results of some of these liberal priests in the last 40 odd years.

The efficacy of a sacrament does not depend on the personal holiness of the clergy administering it. (It is in your Catechism - check it out). Even an excommunicated priest can administer absolution validly, though illicitly.

Tartini:

Many liberal minded and “progressive” Catholics want to just merge completely with protestantism to the point that the Church will cease to resemble Catholic ways at all. This is a pipe dream that will never happen, and the traditional mass is quickly taking hold again. This return to tradition will also have to be accompanied by the return of tradition thought and morals. No more communion in the hand, girl alter servers, hippy music and people in the parish who think they have to do the job of a priest in distributing communion. It has to change back to the traditional ways, or we are in serious trouble–and I can well say, with a great sigh of relief, that we are seeing these changes taking place now.

The tide is indeed turning. What you have described is “false ecumenism”. Ecumenism is about seeking to bring the separated brethren back to the Catholic Church by emphasising our common ground (the pro-life movement is a wonderful opportunity for this) and building bridges. For too long, Catholics and Protestants have been antagonistic to one another. Too often it has been a case of the older son resenting the prodigal one. Remember that we are to be a light to the nations - a living and breathing example of Christian virtue and love. Too many people mis-took ecumenism as being some sort of cue to water-down Catholicism in an attempt to appeal to other Christians. Make friends with these people and win them over!

Communion is a whole other topic which has been debated. However, all ministers (ordinary and extra-ordinary) of holy communion must be trained to administer both in the the hand on on the tongue. I was so trained back in 2005, and in 2010 I made the commitment to continue receiving only on the tongue. By doing so, I have attracted some attention from my friends and have encouraged them to try it. (Slowly, slowly - Rome wasn’t built in a day).

Much of what you describe has been because of improper implementation of Vatican II (mostly carried out by people who never read any of the documents!) Pray for the church, your parish and especially your priests! Pray for new vocations, and especially pray for a restoration of orthodoxy to the church.

Tartini:

It will take time, but I can predict that the New Mass may very well be on it’s way to being less available and the TLM more available. Seminarians are now being trained and there are many FSSP priests who I know who are training priests already out in the field for the changes that are coming. I can see the value of the New Mass for those just entering the Church, to easily aquaint them with the parts of the Mass, but a serious Catholic should always prefer the traditional Latin Mass. A person even of an average intelligence can understand the Latin required if only they would APPLY themselves to the task and remember the Sacrifice of Holy Mass is not a Broadway show or a platform for opinionated priests or parishioners to express themselves. Before V2, there was no “New” Mass, one just learned it and there was no problems…why would something have to change that was already perfect? There are to many “opinions” on that, and they all smack of protestant thinking in one way or another. Ecumenical relations only work if the person (protestant or pagan or heathen or whatever) you are cavorting with becomes a Catholic, other than that it is rather pointless. Respect them, but don’t compromise the truth for political correctness.

I am a member of the Guild of St Stephen (Australian Guild for Altar Servants), and have looked at the new Missal translation. It is a much, much better translation of the Roman Missal (by the way, the official language is still Latin, with an option to say it in the vernacular). I believe that one of the reasons that it was opened up to the vernacular language was that Latin was no longer commonly taught in schools any more. (This rather goes beyond the scope of what I can say here, but Latin used to be the official language of most universities, and students used to study Latin and Greek to read classics.)

Many priests through the 1970’s and 1980’s were badly trained. There are a lot of problems being slowly sorted, but remember that a church with some 400,000 clergy world-wide, change comes slowly.

 

[hartleymartin]

Tartini:

I urge you to find a parish that offers the traditional Latin Sacrifice of Holy Mass, do more research on the way it is done and learn all you can. I provided a great link for you below. And most of all, pray. Prayer is what worked for many who wanted the traditional Mass and it’s widespread return and that says a great deal. The pews are full and the Church is becoming Catholic again. God Bless You.

The best site I have ever seen for understanding the TLM:
sanctamissa.org/en/index.html

I could go on here, but I warn you that denying the authority of the church and Vatican II is basically teetering on the edge of being a sin of schism. Don’t be a retro-grouch, but humbly submit yourself to the proper authority of the church. Commit no sins or insubordination. It is very easy to let Orthodoxy become a source of spiritual pride.

Non est mea culpa!

 

[ProVobis]

The Mass is in the vernacular and close to the TLM, although once the Ordinariates are established a revised lilturgy will probably be used. One many hope that is closer to the Anglican Missal using the same Canon used in Anglican Use parishes and at TLM liturgies.

Actually Eucharistic Prayer I of the Ordinary Form is “close” to the one used in the TLM liturgy, and the promulgated Latin version of the OF EP1 is even closer. Unfortunately, EP1 is seldom used and I don’t know why.

 

[BernadetteM]

Actually Eucharistic Prayer I of the Ordinary Form is “close” to the one used in the TLM liturgy, and the promulgated Latin version of the OF EP1 is even closer. Unfortunately, EP1 is seldom used and I don’t know why.

Yes the Canon used in the AU Mass is close also to the OF Eucharistic Prayer I, but it is almost the same as in the TLM and from the Sarum Use. I love the words used "Who the day before he suffered, took into his “holy and venerable hands”. For some reason just these few words have a great impact on me. At my parish we have both the TLM/EF and the OF, but I go to the OF and our pastor always uses Eucharistic Prayer I and priests from a religious order celebrate several of the other Masses and lately have been using it, although not always.

I accept that everyone is different and words or the way the liturgy is celebrated affects each of us in a personal way. The OF is done with great reverence where I attend and nothing is added, there is great respect shown and the priest faces ad orietiem at all Masses.

I find it sad that Catholics are so divided about the new translation, but have to wonder if some who are against it aren’t prejudging it before experiencing it.

God Bless

Bernadette