Am I a heretic?

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JReducation said:
If the chapel is privately owned, then the priest needs permission from the Director of the agency to celebrate mass there and the Director of the agency can say that he prefers an OF or an EF. What the agency director cannot do is tell Father John Doe that he has to celebrate an EF or OF. He can politely thank Fr. John Doe and not use him for mass. He can certainly say that he wants only the OF or the EF. It’s his agency, even though it’s Catholic. If the agency belongs to the diocese, then the bishop is the final authority over the chapel, otherwise, it’s the director.

Think of it like a Catholic school with a chapel. If the school belongs to a board or a religious community, they decide what form of the mass they want and they grant priests permission to celebrate mass in their chapels. Permission is not the same as faculties. he has faculties or the bishop would not have assigned him there. The FSSP superior approves of the agency or he would not have agreed to the assignment. Chapels are private, not public as are parishes.

Hope that helps.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
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I was wrong when I first spoke on it… We currently have a priest who does the ordinary mass for staff and visitors every morning at 8:00 AM sharp… But our director Tim, Father Jimbo (the current priest who does mass), and myself have suggested that Father Carter be allowed to do a mass in latin…

It’s something we want to do for Father Carter since he is sort of stuck in an unusual assignment not being in a parish and all…

I think the latin mass is beautiful and I love it…
 
socialcath101 said:
lol… I am somewhat of a “progressive” Catholic… But progressive in the sense that I support a governmental role in social safety nets in addition to the Church… But that’s just because I work in human services 😃

But I hold true to all other Church teachings such as abortion, marriage etc… But yeah I don’t support liberation theology anymore lol…

I was a bit of a radical in those days lol :rolleyes:

I am much to old for that now… 🙂
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Just for curiosity, take a look at this item written in 1945 by Dorothy Day. Let me know what you think of it.
 
markomalley said:
Foundress of the Catholic Worker movement.
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Oh I was involved with liberation theology which has marxist undertones… Catholic worker movement is anarchism; I have heard of the movement but I knew nothing of the founder…

Generally they’re two separate movements… Catholic workers seek the abolition of the state…

Liberation theologists don’t… They seek massive expansion of the state as in communism type thing…

I’m against both liberation theology and the Catholic Worker movement… Lib theo is marxism which is condemned and catholic workers are anarchists who are also condemned (although I understand Catholic workers themselves are not just anarchism is condemned)…

So I don’t really like either … Sorry 😦 Wish I could help… It seems like an interesting document…
 
Actually, the Catholic Worker Movement is not anarchist. They began in response to the impoverished conditions of the immigrant workers in NYC in the early to mid 20th century. Dorothy Day was a convert to Catholicism, a woman with a deep life of prayer, mass and Holy Communion every day, a pro-life worker and a Mother Teresa of her time. Her cause is up for beatification. She did a lot for the Italian and Irish immigrants in NYC who were being unjustly treated by their employers, as well as for the homeless, the abandoned and children. She was a staunch opponent of Planned Parenthood, a thorn on its side. Ven Cardinal Cooke of NY loved her very much, as did Ven Pius XII and John XXIII.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
JReducation said:
Actually, the Catholic Worker Movement is not anarchist. They began in response to the impoverished conditions of the immigrant workers in NYC in the early to mid 20th century. Dorothy Day was a convert to Catholicism, a woman with a deep life of prayer, mass and Holy Communion every day, a pro-life worker and a Mother Teresa of her time. Her cause is up for beatification. She did a lot for the Italian and Irish immigrants in NYC who were being unjustly treated by their employers, as well as for the homeless, the abandoned and children. She was a staunch opponent of Planned Parenthood, a thorn on its side. Ven Cardinal Cooke of NY loved her very much, as did Ven Pius XII and John XXIII.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
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Well then I learned something new! 🙂
 
YoungTradCath said:
Honestly, I find it kind of detestable that anyone would try to impose his will on an FSSP priest to celebrate English Ordinary Form masses, because that is totally and completely and absolutely contrary to the FSSP priest’s charism and purpose for being an FSSP priest.
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Needless to say, in order to experience full communion, the priests of the communities adhering to the former usage cannot, as a matter of principle, exclude celebrating according to the new books. The total exclusion of the new rite would not in fact be consistent with the recognition of its value and holiness.
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YoungTradCath said:
No, you’re not a heretic, but how exactly did he get your thesis?

From my experience, FSSP priests have been nothing short of fantastic usually. Perhaps he is in a job he doesn’t want to be in. FSSP priests usually work in parishes that support the Extraordinary Form of mass, and so he might be a little, I don’t know, let down, by not being in such a position.
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I don’t see how being a liaison would stop him from celebrating the EF Mass. Priests have many office functions during the weekdays for the diocese. Its not Mass and Sacraments all the time.
 
Tridentinum said:
Yeah, I would trust the F.S.S.P. priest. They are absolutely excellent.
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Edmundus1581 said:
I wouldn’t, in the circumstances described here. If it were me, I would tell him that my thesis on liberation theology from 30 years ago is none of his business, unless he can show me how it is relevant to my work at the agency, in accordance with its charter.

In the meantime, I would be considering lodging a complaint about him, for the questions he has already asked, and for digging out my old files.
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To both posts, each priest is his own man. While the FSSP as a society is a fantastic society, men don’t magically transform into some awesome priest when they join the FSSP. They’re people, and some are better than others. Its not a discredit to the FSSP, just people being people.
 
ConstantineTG said:
I don’t see how being a liaison would stop him from celebrating the EF Mass. Priests have many office functions during the weekdays for the diocese. Its not Mass and Sacraments all the time.
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I’ve been trying to tell everyone that we’re trying to find out if there’s some way Father Carter can celebrate the latin mass in our agency’s chapel…
 
ConstantineTG said:
I don’t see how being a liaison would stop him from celebrating the EF Mass. Priests have many office functions during the weekdays for the diocese. Its not Mass and Sacraments all the time.
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Nor do I.
socialcath101 said:
I’ve been trying to tell everyone that we’re trying to find out if there’s some way Father Carter can celebrate the latin mass in our agency’s chapel…
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What exactly is in the way of him celebrating that mass now? From who does he need permission? I don’t understand why he needs the diocese’s permission to celebrate a lawful mass.
 
socialcath101 said:
I’ve been trying to tell everyone that we’re trying to find out if there’s some way Father Carter can celebrate the latin mass in our agency’s chapel…
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Just write to the bishop’s office. The priest already has the faculties for the diocese, all you need is approval to have the Mass.
 
socialcath101 said:
I was wrong when I first spoke on it… We currently have a priest who does the ordinary mass for staff and visitors every morning at 8:00 AM sharp… **But our director Tim, Father Jimbo (the current priest who does mass), and myself have suggested that Father Carter be allowed to do a mass in latin…

It’s something we want to do for Father Carter since he is sort of stuck in an unusual assignment not being in a parish and all…

I think the latin mass is beautiful and I love it…**
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That’s really cool of you. Having had unwanted/out of place assignments in the Army a time or two, getting to do what you were led/chose to do upon entrance is a total blessing. Nothing is more insulting or confusing to a person who was trained long and hard for a specific job only to be stuck in a general position with no real outlet for the trained position.

I can’t help but think this is a total win-win given the situation as you originally presented it.

👍
 
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