Am I allowed to go to a bar?

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So here’s my question: is it participating in people’s sins to go to bars or house parties where you know your friends (underage) will be drinking, even if you don’t drink?
 
By going to such places, you are giving the impression that it’s ok for someone underaged to drink. I mean, that you have no problem with it. Personally, I’d steer clear of that stuff.
 
Figured as much. Quite unfortunate that you need to be older to drink than to own a gun, a car and a house.
 
looking at it from another perspective, if there is nothing you can do to prevent your friends from going you can actually make the best of the situation by going with them and making sure they make good choices as well as provide them with a safe ride home.
 
christus_vincit said:
looking at it from another perspective, if there is nothing you can do to prevent your friends from going you can actually make the best of the situation by going with them and making sure they make good choices as well as provide them with a safe ride home.
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I agree.
 
Aeden said:
So here’s my question: is it participating in people’s sins to go to bars or house parties where you know your friends (underage) will be drinking, even if you don’t drink?
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What questions like these always boil down to is “do I have an obligation to attend/not to attend?”

I would speak to a priest about this my take is that a lot about sinning has to do with intention.

Also, in your title you’re talking about a bar. Bars risk losing their liquor license if they sell to minors.

There’s always going to be house parties that break the law with underage drinking, but that doesn’t necessarily mean it’s a sin----and no, that is NOT a permission slip or endorsement of underage drinking.
 
If the party gets raided, the police may not care of you’ve been drinking or not. They don’t need to issue field sobriety tests if you’re not in a car already.
I would counsel a different locale with different friends to host a designated driver party with games and popcorn. It’s not lame, it’s prudential.
 
Aeden said:
So here’s my question: is it participating in people’s sins to go to bars or house parties where you know your friends (underage) will be drinking, even if you don’t drink?
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maybe unwise. Why do you want to hang out with friends that are underage and starting to drink. As one poster said, if the party is raided by police, everyone there is culpable. If everyone around you is drinking, there is more pressure on you to drink. Why put yourself in that situation of pressure, temptation and finally illegal.
 
I have to say yes. By being there with the knowledge that someone is underage and drinking you are contributing to delinquent behavior and basically approving of sin. One, those doing so are not just guilty of breaking the law, they are also guilty of lying because they are lying about their age and most likely to their parents.

You need to stay away from this situation. There is way too much that can go wrong including injuries and deaths due to the influence of alcohol and even other drugs that will be more than likely present. If you are an adult and are guilty of doing this you can be found guilty of being complicate to an act that results in injury or death. Jail time.

Try to find something better to do with your time. If you are in any situation that is compelling people to be dishonest or break the law your are in a bad place. You are going to be sinning. Remember: “Avoid the near occasion of sin.”
 
It may not only be a near occasion of sin for you, but enabling others to do so would not be wise. “Better a mill stone…!”
 
If you are at a bar you can always tell the bartender or manager that so-and-so has a fake ID or whatever. That would help them out, since they could lose their license.
 
“Run from places of sin as from the Plague” - St. John Climacus, 525-606 B.C.
 
ClearWater said:
So, would you like us to lower the drinking age for you?
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Not at all. I personally feel that it is too high, but that’s just my opinion. I uphold the law since the alternate is sinful.
robwar said:
maybe unwise. Why do you want to hang out with friends that are underage and starting to drink. As one poster said, if the party is raided by police, everyone there is culpable. If everyone around you is drinking, there is more pressure on you to drink. Why put yourself in that situation of pressure, temptation and finally illegal.
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Well, for me drinking isn’t something that I could be pressured into. I’m on medication that means that if I do, there’d be some serious consequences for me health-wise, so I don’t do it.
 
You should go. There is a lot of conversion going on there! Just don’t go crazy…
 
I still think it’s a bad idea. Good conversations can be found at other places. Once I got a call from someone who sounded like they had been drinking. He asked if Lisa was here, and I said I don’t know of anyone by that name. He said that she had given him this number to call. Anyway, what he said next was not polite. “You want a good f***?” Not something I appreciate hearing. And I hadn’t even gone to the bar were they had been drinking.
 
Aeden said:
So here’s my question: is it participating in people’s sins to go to bars or house parties where you know your friends (underage) will be drinking, even if you don’t drink?
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There are a couple sides
a) If you go you are condoning breaking the law
b) Go and be the driver so your friends aren’t also driving drunk (both worse and far more dangerous)
ClearWater said:
So, would you like us to lower the drinking age for you?
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Maybe Aeden wants the drinking age to be 18? Oh the horror :eek:
Miserissima said:
If the party gets raided, the police may not care of you’ve been drinking or not. They don’t need to issue field sobriety tests if you’re not in a car already.
I would counsel a different locale with different friends to host a designated driver party with games and popcorn. It’s not lame, it’s prudential.
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Indeed, they treat everyone as guilty
 
House parties can be so much worse in consequence. The parents, no matter who provided the alcohol, could be charged with endangering minors (a felony in some states).

Depending on the type of bar, you may be able to get a soda and pizza at a booth (some states don’t let you sit at the actual bar if you’re not 21). But please exercise prudential judgment.
 
I always told my friends that I did not approve, but knowing that they would go anyway, I went and acted as the designated driver. Once I sat outside the whole time in my car (I was under 18) breaking the curfew law just to make sure that they didn’t drive home, an action that my parents gave their approval.

I also found that there was little they could do to tempt me as culturally I have drank some from a young age and found the stuff horrible. If there is no near occasion of sin for you, I would go and save them from driving under the influence. We have a responsibility to the welfare of others’ souls and lives. Keeping them from driving will save their lives, and the selflessness of your action will hopefully open the dialog to work on their souls.
 
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