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I’ve always wondered. Also, what do protestants think of this view?
You make an excellent post.God has infinite Mercy… If you know the truth and follow the truth the answer is, probably you are your way to Heaven… If you know the truth and reject the truth, you are probably on your way to Hell?? >> If you were never told or heard the truth and you practice another faith, then you are truly at the Mercy of God… Most likely on your way to Heaven??
Remember, Jesus said “I am the way, the truth and the life”
So to follow Jesus in the path to Heaven…
If you want to be completely sure, then you should join the Church that Christ established for the purpose of bringing us to Heaven.I’ve always wondered. Also, what do protestants think of this view?
I don’t believe ANY human, Catholic or otherwise, can answer that question for you. We can only postulate an opinion. You could become/be a Catholic and still go to Hades. Let me ask you this: is the Rev. Billy Graham on the pathway to hell?I’ve always wondered. Also, what do protestants think of this view?
If you’re not Catholic, should you care about what the Catholic Church teaches? The JWs teach that those who are not JW will not go to heaven. LDS teaches that those who are not LDS will not go to heaven.So, it’s basically… “We are 100% sure you go to Heaven as a catholic. However, if you’re outside of our faith, we are not sure.” Which can leave people to be paranoid.
The Orthodox Church?If you want to be completely sure, then you should join the Church that Christ established for the purpose of bringing us to Heaven.![]()
[bibledrb]Romans 9:15[/bibledrb]I’ve always wondered. Also, what do protestants think of this view?
No one goes to hell for not being Catholic or non-Catholic. Persons go to hell for willfully rejecting the gospel, salvation through Jesus’s death and resurrection, after they reach a point of accountability that they should be aware that it is the truth.I’ve always wondered. Also, what do protestants think of this view?
Catechism of the Catholic Church said:846 How are we to understand this affirmation, often repeated by the Church Fathers?335 Re-formulated positively, it means that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body:
847 This affirmation is not aimed at those who, through no fault of their own, do not know Christ and his Church:Code:Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it.336
848 "Although in ways known to himself God can lead those who, through no fault of their own, are ignorant of the Gospel, to that faith without which it is impossible to please him, the Church still has the obligation and also the sacred right to evangelize all men."338Code:Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience - those too may achieve eternal salvation.337
We’re all at the mercy of God, A G. Being a Catholic is not a pass by any means, in fact our living as a Catholic may very well be the determining factor. A Catholic may not divorce and remarry save a declaration that all prior marriages were null. What will the judgment be for those, otherwise good Catholics, who have denied this fact?Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus.
If you are not Catholic you are at the mercy of God. God can allow whom ever He wants into His kingdom. If you willfully reject God, then there is no salvation.
Not so, Doug. Anyone who rejects entry or fails to remain in the Catholic Church, IF THEY KNOW THAT IT IS THE CHURCH FOUNDED BY JESUS, cannot be saved. In that case rejection of the Church is rejection of the founder and one who knowingly rejects the founder gets what he wants.No one goes to hell for not being Catholic or non-Catholic. Persons go to hell for willfully rejecting the gospel, salvation through Jesus’s death and resurrection, after they reach a point of accountability that they should be aware that it is the truth.
Doug
And that’s the answer anyone should give. Catholics do not make pronouncments as to who and who is not in Heaven or in Hell.I don’t know.
What you have said is what I think some protestants believe, The Catholic Church does not teach such a thing, as a Catholic, I can tell you that just because I am a Catholic doesn’t mean I am 100% sure to go to heaven, the Catholic Church doesn’t even teach that. None are assured to go to heaven, In fact to think that you are assured to go to heaven, to think that you have somehow “earned” heaven or that it’s your “right” would be arrogance and that is an assured way not to get into heaven.So, it’s basically… “We are 100% sure you go to Heaven as a catholic. However, if you’re outside of our faith, we are not sure.” Which can leave people to be paranoid.
I’m not sure whether you are Protestant or not, however the other problem with Protestantism is their idea of “heavenly reward.”
*Matthew 20: 1-16 Workers in a Vineyard
20 As Jesus was telling what the kingdom of heaven would be like, he said:
Early one morning a man went out to hire some workers for his vineyard. 2 After he had agreed to pay them the usual amount for a day’s work, he sent them off to his vineyard.
3 About nine that morning, the man saw some other people standing in the market with nothing to do. 4 He said he would pay them what was fair, if they would work in his vineyard. 5 So they went.
At noon and again about three in the afternoon he returned to the market. And each time he made the same agreement with others who were loafing around with nothing to do.
6 Finally, about five in the afternoon the man went back and found some others standing there. He asked them, “Why have you been standing here all day long doing nothing?”
7 “Because no one has hired us,” they answered. Then he told them to go work in his vineyard.
8 That evening the owner of the vineyard told the man in charge of the workers to call them in and give them their money. He also told the man to begin with the ones who were hired last. 9 When the workers arrived, the ones who had been hired at five in the afternoon were given a full day’s pay.
10 The workers who had been hired first thought they would be given more than the others. But when they were given the same, 11 they began complaining to the owner of the vineyard. 12 They said, “The ones who were hired last worked for only one hour. But you paid them the same that you did us. And we worked in the hot sun all day long!”
13 The owner answered one of them, “Friend, I didn’t cheat you. I paid you exactly what we agreed on. 14 Take your money now and go! What business is it of yours if I want to pay them the same that I paid you? 15 Don’t I have the right to do what I want with my own money? Why should you be jealous, if I want to be generous?”
Please continue to next post -16 Jesus then said, “So it is. Everyone who is now first will be last, and everyone who is last will be first.”*