Am I Sinning?

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To be honest I used to be a regular poster on these boards but I haven’t been around in a long time. I created another account because I forgot the password to my old one and I am ashamed of what I’m about to ask.

Both of my children have fallen away from the faith. That breaks my heart and I pray every day for them to come back to the church. But my son in particular is leading a secular life. He has been living with his girlfriend for over a year. At first I was taken aback and stunned that he would do that, but as time went on and I saw how happy they were my shock almost turned to happiness. I see that he’s loved and cared for, and see that they would do anything for each other, and I’m happy that after years of searching he has finally found the kind of person that he’s always deserved. She’s a lovely woman who is good to him and our family. I know that it is sinful and that I should be condemning it, and I did at first. But seeing how well this is working for them makes it hard to do so now. And even worse I think that I would be upset if they did move away from each other. I am so ashamed that this is what’s testing my loyalty to my faith. I know that what they are doing is wrong and that I shouldn’t find joy in it, but it doesn’t feel that way. I am so stressed out and guilt-ridden over my reaction to this.

The light at the end of the tunnel is that when I saw them in October they told me that they were planning on getting married and would be announcing their engagement over Christmas. He didn’t propose, this was a mutual decision that they are both happy about, and of course I am too. What she doesn’t know though is that later my son confided in me that although she said that she doesn’t need a ring or a proposal he felt that she deserved one. So on their way home from Thanksgiving they are going to stop at her favorite restaurant and he’s going to give her a ring and formally ask her. I am so proud of the sweet, generous, romantic man that he has become.

I talked to my priest about my guilt and he said that as long as I was finding happiness in his happiness, not in his sin, I was ok. But it still feels wrong to me and I don’t really know where to go from here. Is it even worth finding the will to say something more about their situation since they are getting married? I feel like I’m torn between God and my son, and although I know that God should win, my feelings for my son and his future are getting in the way.

Any advice?
 
Your priest sounds like a wise counselor. You are happy that they are in love and treat each other well. You are saddened that they do not seem to understand the best way to express that love through the exercise of chastity.

You can’t judge or condemn and certainly you should not feel bad for failing to judge. You know that premarital sex is wrong and you’re not condoning it. Just because she and he are engaging in these things does not make them bad people. It means that they are simply doing bad things. Guess what? So does everybody.

I think continuing to show love for him and her is the best way to preach the Gospel. You can certainly insist on things like separate rooms or beds in your home when they visit, but there’s precious little you can do otherwise that would not drive them away.

And keep up your prayer of course!
 
The light at the end of the tunnel is that when I saw them in October they told me that they were planning on getting married and would be announcing their engagement over Christmas. He didn’t propose, this was a mutual decision that they are both happy about, and of course I am too. What she doesn’t know though is that later my son confided in me that although she said that she doesn’t need a ring or a proposal he felt that she deserved one. So on their way home from Thanksgiving they are going to stop at her favorite restaurant and he’s going to give her a ring and formally ask her. I am so proud of the sweet, generous, romantic man that he has become.
You are right to be proud of your son. That is such a sweet and classy thing to do.
 
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Your priest sounds like a wise counselor. You are happy that they are in love and treat each other well. You are saddened that they do not seem to understand the best way to express that love through the exercise of chastity.

You can’t judge or condemn and certainly you should not feel bad for failing to judge. You know that premarital sex is wrong and you’re not condoning it. Just because she and he are engaging in these things does not make them bad people. It means that they are simply doing bad things. Guess what? So does everybody.

I think continuing to show love for him and her is the best way to preach the Gospel. You can certainly insist on things like separate rooms or beds in your home when they visit, but there’s precious little you can do otherwise that would not drive them away.

And keep up your prayer of course!
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As for real advice I don’t have much. You can’t really say anything now that they’ve told you they’re getting married, that would only make them think that you were against them being together.

I think that part of the reason you’re surprised is that often times when religious talk about couples who live together they describe them as unhappy, using each other, trashy, miserable, whatever. So when you see a couple that is living together and genuinely happy (and many of us are) you start to think that if they don’t fit the stereotype of a trashy and unhappy couple then it must not be wrong.

But your faith doesn’t teach that its wrong because people who do it are unhappy, it teaches that its wrong because god says it is. If your son doesn’t believe in god anymore though that argument isn’t going to carry much weight.
 
Your priest sounds like a wise counselor. You are happy that they are in love and treat each other well. You are saddened that they do not seem to understand the best way to express that love through the exercise of chastity.

You can’t judge or condemn and certainly you should not feel bad for failing to judge. You know that premarital sex is wrong and you’re not condoning it. Just because she and he are engaging in these things does not make them bad people. It means that they are simply doing bad things. Guess what? So does everybody.

I think continuing to show love for him and her is the best way to preach the Gospel. You can certainly insist on things like separate rooms or beds in your home when they visit, but there’s precious little you can do otherwise that would not drive them away.

And keep up your prayer of course!
This. 👍
 
I think we are called to be in relationship first and foremost by faith. We don’t need adress everything we understand to be sinful if it’s not involving abuse, theft, or life. Your son probably knew or had an idea of your position on this issue…but then it sounds like you raised a decent man who in the end choose marriage to “make it right”. Maybe you can look at this as sin followed by redemption in marriage and as you know we are all sinners who need redemption.
 
I think we are called to be in relationship first and foremost by faith. We don’t need adress everything we understand to be sinful if it’s not involving abuse, theft, or life. Your son probably knew or had an idea of your position on this issue…but then it sounds like you raised a decent man who in the end choose marriage to “make it right”. Maybe you can look at this as sin followed by redemption in marriage and as you know we are all sinners who need redemption.
I wouldn’t want the OP to get her hopes up. If he is cohabiting and has left the church he probably didn’t propose to “make it right” and even if he did chances are it will never “be right” because he probably won’t have a catholic wedding.
 
To be honest I used to be a regular poster on these boards but I haven’t been around in a long time. I created another account because I forgot the password to my old one and I am ashamed of what I’m about to ask.

Both of my children have fallen away from the faith. That breaks my heart and I pray every day for them to come back to the church. But my son in particular is leading a secular life. He has been living with his girlfriend for over a year. At first I was taken aback and stunned that he would do that, but as time went on and I saw how happy they were my shock almost turned to happiness. I see that he’s loved and cared for, and see that they would do anything for each other, and I’m happy that after years of searching he has finally found the kind of person that he’s always deserved. She’s a lovely woman who is good to him and our family. I know that it is sinful and that I should be condemning it, and I did at first. But seeing how well this is working for them makes it hard to do so now. And even worse I think that I would be upset if they did move away from each other. I am so ashamed that this is what’s testing my loyalty to my faith. I know that what they are doing is wrong and that I shouldn’t find joy in it, but it doesn’t feel that way. I am so stressed out and guilt-ridden over my reaction to this.

The light at the end of the tunnel is that when I saw them in October they told me that they were planning on getting married and would be announcing their engagement over Christmas. He didn’t propose, this was a mutual decision that they are both happy about, and of course I am too. What she doesn’t know though is that later my son confided in me that although she said that she doesn’t need a ring or a proposal he felt that she deserved one. So on their way home from Thanksgiving they are going to stop at her favorite restaurant and he’s going to give her a ring and formally ask her. I am so proud of the sweet, generous, romantic man that he has become.

I talked to my priest about my guilt and he said that as long as I was finding happiness in his happiness, not in his sin, I was ok. But it still feels wrong to me and I don’t really know where to go from here. Is it even worth finding the will to say something more about their situation since they are getting married? I feel like I’m torn between God and my son, and although I know that God should win, my feelings for my son and his future are getting in the way.

Any advice?
 
Greetings Alwayscomehome…Go easy on yrself my friend…I have a 24 y/o daughter that lives with her boyfriend…he’s actually the only boy she has ever dated that I actually like…I don’t agree with the arrangement …and trust me she didn’t grow up in a home that wasnt’ grounded in our faith…my 19 y/o son is living with his girlfriend…I don’t agree…we attend Mass regularly , sometimes during the week…and all solemnities and Holy Days…and we have always been active in our Parish…my point…we raised our children, and still are, in a home where the Holy Rosary was prayed as a family, Blessings before meals…advent candles…we lived our faith…and we’re not militant…kids grow up and do whatever…My grown children know what we are about…they know how they were raised…I love them…not, what they are doing, to quote Fr. Serpa (to me) we catch more flys w/ honey…I left the Church in my young adulthood (undergrad. school)…and lived a life of debauchery…returned to the Sacraments 1985…I don’t believe you are sinning…I’m sure your offspring knows where you stand…pray for my kids and I will pray for yours…PAX
 
I wouldn’t want the OP to get her hopes up. If he is cohabiting and has left the church he probably didn’t propose to “make it right” and even if he did chances are it will never “be right” because he probably won’t have a catholic wedding.
I was thinking along these same lines too. The OP needs to understand that, unfortunately for them and her, a marraige outside of the Church only makes them married in the eyes of the law, and would not be recognized as sacramental by the Church.
 
I think you need to tell your son and his girlfriend how you feel and let them know that its wrong. You don’t need to have an argument, just be honest. If you do this then and only then have you done what is right. The reason why I say this is because your son needs to know the truth and if he goes on to have children with his future wife, you need to be the strong christian role model in the family, if your son doesn’t have any faith. Obviously pray continuously for them, which I am sure you are already doing. If your son is going to marry he should definitely go to confession first and have separate living arrangements for a while before he gets married because he is receiving a sacrament and his marriage wont be blessed if he does not prepare for it. God Bless and I will pray for you.
 
I think you need to tell your son and his girlfriend how you feel and let them know that its wrong. You don’t need to have an argument, just be honest. If you do this then and only then have you done what is right. The reason why I say this is because your son needs to know the truth and if he goes on to have children with his future wife, you need to be the strong christian role model in the family, if your son doesn’t have any faith. Obviously pray continuously for them, which I am sure you are already doing. God Bless and I will pray for you.
You just pointed out something really important. This is just the tip of the iceberg. If they have children that they aren’t raising religiously she’s going to think to herself “I wish my grandchildren went to church but they are all so happy and healthy…” She should talk to her son about what his long term plans for his family are. Will they be religious, go to church, take part in religious holidays, pray, be baptized, etc? If the answer is no then she should needs to start working on her own feelings, possibly with the help of a good priest.

I just navigated something similar with my own family, and trust me, cohabitation is the easiest part for everyone to deal with.
 
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