Am I still Catholic?

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I read somewhere on here that if you were baptized into the Catholic faith, which I was, you are always apart of the catholic body.

I have yet to be confirmed and have issues with some of the Catholic dogma.

I thought unless I believed every single thing in the Catechism and in the Pope’s infallibility , I wasn’t a Catholic.

Which is true?
 
Hmmm…after rereading my post, I think it came out the wrong way. What im really searching for is, what are the implications of being baptized into the Catholic church? Does that mean your membership is for life, despite where you stand in your faith?
 
I’m not sure how you mean membership. If you were baptized Catholic then you are Catholic for life. Think of it as any unchanging thing. Like your dad or mom, they will always be your family, even if you don’t visit.

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Yes, you’re still Catholic. This is the result of the fact that your baptism changed you and made you part of the body of Christ.

One way to think of this is that it’s like being a member of a family. You may disown them, go to live in another town, change your name and your appearance. But you still have the same DNA.

You are approaching a point in life when you need to make a mature commitment to Jesus and to His church. It’s important not to rely on your feelings about some of the doctrine or teachings you have issues with but to really look into them to see if you’re understanding them correctly. Often the problem is lack of knowledge, not doubt or unbelief. Sometimes the problem is sin or the lack of trust or a relationship with God. If you understand that the Father loves us, Jesus lived and died for us and rose to life again and is still alive, and the Holy Spirit dwells in us and in the church to lead it into truth, it’s easier to believe that the church is reliable.

About the infallibility of the pope… this is the protection that God gives the church that the Holy Spirit will assure that the pope will not teach wrongly when he officially teaches about faith and morals. In other matters, in his personal opinions, in his moral life, the pope as a man can be wrong or even a sinful person. But when he speaks officially about doctrine he is prevented from leading us astray.
 
Hmmm…after rereading my post, I think it came out the wrong way. What im really searching for is, what are the implications of being baptized into the Catholic church? Does that mean your membership is for life, despite where you stand in your faith?
You are Catholic. At this stage of your life, not confirmed, the bishop would probably never accept a letter from you stating that you reject the Catholic faith. He would most likely have to assume you have no idea what you are doing. You really need to go through RCIA first before making any assertion about things you think you know and understand. I went to RCIA with my wife, thinking I knew more than everyone there and discovered things I had never learned, specifically on things you brought up. ’

Language is very important. At the age of 45, when I went through RCIA with my wife, I was surprised with what I learned. I combined that with reading on my own and listening to Catholic Answers radio as well as several programs on Catholic radio and EWTN. The more I read the better I felt. In all reality, I am Catholic by choice now, even though I was baptized Catholic at 14 months of age. Not the age. i believe I was secretly baptized without mom’s knowledge. Nevertheless, I grew up believing in God always, and sought him with my heart, like David. I loved God, but didn’t know truth. Once I thought I found it I practiced it and then and only then did I discover the beauty of Catholic moral teaching and many other teachings. The problem I had was I didn’t know anyone that believed or accepted it and couldn’t understand why the bishops would not correct people. With that poor example and many bad experiences in high school and as a seminarian, and post seminarian, I came to believe that all of the bishops would burn in hell for not teaching truth. If they believed in truth and have the burden of teaching their flock the truth then they are to blame for the things happening in the Church today. I converted to the Church of Christ that followed the bible. After many years os studying scripture and grappling with several moral questions, I came to realize that none of the religions were true… that is until I discovered the ancient church fathers. Changed my life forever.

I suggest you do much more study before assuming so much.

No matter what you do in your life, you will always be considered Catholic by the Church. For your own sake, follow the rules until you at least understand them as best you can. Then make your decision, but choose carefully, you may place your soul in jeopardy.
 
There is a beautiful new rite for initiating an adult into Christian faith which includes, of course, the sacrament of Baptism.
I have read few quotes of the remarks probably referred concerning this new rite. The normative nature of adult initiations means that departures from the norm, while necessary for serious reasons, are always abnormal. Indiscriiminate baptism, while common,is abnormal and should be stopped,

Their Christianity was not an incidental frosting on their personality. They believed, as St Paul said, that their child share from its earlist days in their faith and love-and their baptism.

If by indiscrimate infant baptism, means that we shoud not pour the baptismal waters over everyone that comes along. But I know many priests who do that.
 
Thanks for Asking this important question Here. :tiphat::clapping: One has to be qualified to receive the Eucharist: Confession through a Priest during Easter, at least, if possible, and not join a Protestant or other faith church, and not preach publically falselly against The Church Christ founded. (

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I read somewhere on here that if you were baptized into the Catholic faith, which I was, you are always apart of the catholic body.

I have yet to be confirmed and have issues with some of the Catholic dogma.

I thought unless I believed every single thing in the Catechism and in the Pope’s infallibility , I wasn’t a Catholic.

Which is true?
Welcome! You have some big misunderstandings. Baptized, you became part of Christ’s Church. We have to be Taught and grow into the Catholic Church. RCIA as someone suggested is The Ideal way to Learn the Catholic Church, and become qualified for The Sacraments. Our RCIA Leader Took RCIA to become reaqainted with the Church he had drifted away from, as several others also did. 👋 You do not have to believe every detail of The Cathecism; You need to know and agree to Basics, Like Papal Infallibility: That means he is Infallibble when “Ex Cathedra”: official Papal Bull Declarations. The type of Breakfast he likes, the type comedy he likes are not Infallible, as none of ours are :whistle: RCIA is the Requirement from the Apostles, to Learn, Know the Church they want to join, as the long teachings in the Catacombs to even be present For the Consecration: The MOST SACRED moments In the Church. The Catacombs of 1900 years ago and RCIA now teach the Church basics to Qualify One for the Sacraments Many RCIA graduates told us it was the most beautiful moments in their life, including First Child and Marriage.
 
Wow, thank you so much to the above posters for your loving and informational comments. I will have to go back through to read them again as there was so much information.

It seems comforting to know that I will always be considered Catholic. I am in love with the Mass as it is so beautiful. I was baptised as an infant and was raised Catholic, attending Catholic schools most of my life. So, I do consider myself as having grown up in the faith.

However, after reading one above comment, it seems as if I have excommunicated myself. After searching for a local Catholic church for several years and not finding one that we connected to (or one that had any fellowship opportunites for small groups and younger marrieds), we ended up at an Episcopalian church. I have refused to be baptized or confirmed in the Episcopalian faith (or officially join the church) until I get these things settled in my heart. I have made confessions but not to a Catholic priest but the Father at the church who was ordained in the Episcopal faith.

So, if Im excommunicated, Im no longer Catholic, correct?
 
Wow, thank you so much to the above posters for your loving and informational comments. I will have to go back through to read them again as there was so much information.

It seems comforting to know that I will always be considered Catholic. I am in love with the Mass as it is so beautiful. I was baptised as an infant and was raised Catholic, attending Catholic schools most of my life. So, I do consider myself as having grown up in the faith.

However, after reading one above comment, it seems as if I have excommunicated myself. After searching for a local Catholic church for several years and not finding one that we connected to (or one that had any fellowship opportunites for small groups and younger marrieds), we ended up at an Episcopalian church. I have refused to be baptized or confirmed in the Episcopalian faith (or officially join the church) until I get these things settled in my heart. I have made confessions but not to a Catholic priest but the Father at the church who was ordained in the Episcopal faith.

So, if Im excommunicated, Im no longer Catholic, correct?
No, an excommunicated Catholic is still Catholic. Plus I’m not sure you ‘excommunicated yourself’. You pretty much have to know something is wrong to commit a sin; if you didn’t know, you weren’t sinning.

In any case you can talk to your priest (your Catholic one at the local parish) anytime. If there is a problem, either he can ‘lift’ the excommunication or he can set the ball rolling to have it lifted by the bishop if necessary.

Going to an Episcopal service is not wrong in and of itself. If you weren’t aware when you went that you needed to attend Catholic services to meet your obligation and thought the Episcopal services met the obligation, you didn’t sin because you didn’t know. Even now if you wish you can attend those services but make sure you attend a Catholic Mass for your Sunday obligation as well. There were many years where I was playing the organ for various Protestant churches as well as going to my own Catholic Mass, no problem.
 
I was not taught growing up. So when I was 14 and my brother 16, the priest should have required us to go through RCIA or a more lengthy process. Catholic baptism should not have been enough for us to prepare for and receive Holy Communion. Dad had a unique talent for getting what he wanted. After about 7 classes, short and surficial, with hardly any understanding, we received first communion. We should have gone through the 2 hour, year long RCIA class where we would have dug much deeper into the faith. I received my first communion in April 1976. In September 1996, I moved to the country where a Catholic Church was about a 45 minutes drive. My dad was illicitly married and separated himself on purpose. I did not understand that his marriage was illicit at the time because a Catholic priest married them. Later I found out he was known for doing such things. Dad’s marriage to my mother had never been investigated at the time, not until some years later. He was dating another woman out of state. He abandoned me to my stepmother, whom I still love dearly. However, we are not as close as she is to her own children, my brothers and sister. I learned to adapt to adopting brothers and sister very easily. They are my family. However I had two blood brothers, one deceased now. They too were baptized Catholic, but never thought of themselves as Catholic.

I’m the only one. I left for almost 2 decades, but returned only because I found the historical documents that tell the truth about the early Christians. My own family experienced many miracles, particularly me, during my reversion and my wife and older son’s conversion. Our marriage was convalidated, our younger children baptized, my sone and wife confirmed. We’re all Catholic now because we believe. I suppose my children will go through their faith struggle as all of us eventually do in our youth. But I have confidence that after they’ve been taught by my wife and I as well as their faith, they’ll figure it out as well. We are very involved in parish and diocese life. Now I’m considering the diaconate with my wife’s approval.

I truly hope you find your way back home.
 
There is a beautiful new rite for initiating an adult into Christian faith which includes, of course, the sacrament of Baptism.
I have read few quotes of the remarks probably referred concerning this new rite. The normative nature of adult initiations means that departures from the norm, while necessary for serious reasons, are always abnormal.
I believe you are speaking of the rites in RCIA. It isn’t really new, the formalized process came out of the liturgical changes after Vatican II. There has always been a process for bringing the unbaptized into the Church.
Indiscriiminate baptism, while common,is abnormal and should be stopped,
Common. Indiscriminate baptism is not common or permitted.
 
No, an excommunicated Catholic is still Catholic. Plus I’m not sure you ‘excommunicated yourself’. You pretty much have to know something is wrong to commit a sin; if you didn’t know, you weren’t sinning.

In any case you can talk to your priest (your Catholic one at the local parish) anytime. If there is a problem, either he can ‘lift’ the excommunication or he can set the ball rolling to have it lifted by the bishop if necessary.

Going to an Episcopal service is not wrong in and of itself. If you weren’t aware when you went that you needed to attend Catholic services to meet your obligation and thought the Episcopal services met the obligation, you didn’t sin because you didn’t know. Even now if you wish you can attend those services but make sure you attend a Catholic Mass for your Sunday obligation as well. There were many years where I was playing the organ for various Protestant churches as well as going to my own Catholic Mass, no problem.
I do believe after a couple of the services I was aware that going was wrong as well as accepting Eucharist. So, unfortunately, I am aware that it is a sin. We have made friendships and relationships there and are involved, so I would feel bad leaving.
 
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I just don’t see how I am still Catholic since I am attending another church. I still call myself Catholic because it’s all I know and don’t like the feeling of calling myself anything else.

Furthermore, I have done and believe in things that are against the teachings of the church, namely being on birth control as we do not want children right now, supporting candidates that support gay rights, and not believing my Mormon cousin (through marriage) is going to Hell because she doesn’t believe exactly what I do. There are definitely some things I do agree that the church endorses, like anti death penalty, helping the poor, missionary work, etc. It just seems that my differences are too much.

I feel so badly because I do feel most comfortable in the Catholic mass but I wasn’t getting anything out of the Mass. Our Father never preached on anything, but went over Bible scriptures. It seemed he droned on forever and I would never pay attention. In our current Episcopal church, the Father talks on how the Bible relates to our lives through lessons and stories. Rarely do I find myself not paying attention. Why can’t Mass be like this?

It just seems the differences are too much and what I don’t like about the Episcopal church (lack of ceremony in mass, women priests, very young babies being able to accept the Eucharist despite knowing what it truly is, etc) doesn’t make up for what I get out out of their sermons and fellowship opportunities. Yes, I know that Mass isn’t supposed to be an entertainment experience like going to the movies but I never enjoyed or got anything out of it. It was literally an obligation to go.

But Im going off on another subject entirely. I apologize.
 
One more question, do sacraments make a difference considering I only have 4 so far: baptism, Eucharist, reconciliation, and marriage.
 
One more question, do sacraments make a difference considering I only have 4 so far: baptism, Eucharist, reconciliation, and marriage.
Make a difference in whether you are still Catholic? No. As long as you have been Baptized Catholic (or Baptized something else and later received into the Catholic Church) you are still Catholic.

Confirmation is the final Sacrament of Initiation and I see that missing from your list. If you were married in the Church, you should have been directed to work on receiveing Confirmation but it doesn’t make you “less Catholic” if you aren’t confirmed.
I just don’t see how I am still Catholic since I am attending another church. I still call myself Catholic because it’s all I know and don’t like the feeling of calling myself anything else.
Catholic is about what you ARE in spite of what you DO (go to another church).
Furthermore, I have done and believe in things that are against the teachings of the church, namely being on birth control as we do not want children right now, supporting candidates that support gay rights, and not believing my Mormon cousin (through marriage) is going to Hell because she doesn’t believe exactly what I do. There are definitely some things I do agree that the church endorses, like anti death penalty, helping the poor, missionary work, etc. It just seems that my differences are too much.
No one is perfect. And by the way, the last one you mentioned, isn’t against the teaching of the Church. 🙂
I feel so badly because I do feel most comfortable in the Catholic mass but I wasn’t getting anything out of the Mass. Our Father never preached on anything, but went over Bible scriptures. It seemed he droned on forever and I would never pay attention. In our current Episcopal church, the Father talks on how the Bible relates to our lives through lessons and stories. Rarely do I find myself not paying attention. Why can’t Mass be like this?
Mass can be like that. Have you tried another parish or even just a different priest? For Catholics, Mass is about what we bring, not what we get. It’s great to have a moving homily at Mass but if you want to “get” you should look into a woman’s group or a Bible study. One of the things I have noticed is that in many non-Catholic churches, men are called to be priests, in part, because they discern they have the gift to preach. I have never known a priest who became a priest because he was a good preacher. I am sure there are some - I just don’t know any. 😉 The sermon is the highlight of many non-Catholic services but the Consecration is the highight of a Catholic Mass.
It just seems the differences are too much and what I don’t like about the Episcopal church (lack of ceremony in mass, women priests, very young babies being able to accept the Eucharist despite knowing what it truly is, etc) doesn’t make up for what I get out out of their sermons and fellowship opportunities. Yes, I know that Mass isn’t supposed to be an entertainment experience like going to the movies but I never enjoyed or got anything out of it. It was literally an obligation to go.
But Im going off on another subject entirely. I apologize.
Don’t apologize. But you might ask if the Holy Spirit isn’t quietly calling you back. I don’t know if you are into reading but if you want to PM me, I can recommend a few good books on the Mass. Sometimes understanding the symbolism makes you look at Mass in a whole new light.
 
I just don’t see how I am still Catholic since I am attending another church. I still call myself Catholic because it’s all I know and don’t like the feeling of calling myself anything else.
According to the Catholic Church, once you are baptized into the Catholic faith, you are ALWAYS a Catholic… at least to the Catholic Church. Even if you were to be excommunicated, all this does is restrict you from receiving any sacraments except Confession. Even then, you STILL remain Catholic. Now, there are ways to be taken off the church rolls so that you will not be counted in census figures as a practicing Catholic, a member of a parish, or part of the official number of Catholics in the world, but your baptismal certificate will always be on file. The reason more is not done is simply this: if you truly believe that you belong in another denomination or religion, than in your mind, you’re no longer Catholic because Catholicism was wrong to begin with, in which case, it doesn’t matter what Catholicism thinks.
Furthermore, I have done and believe in things that are against the teachings of the church, namely being on birth control as we do not want children right now, supporting candidates that support gay rights, and not believing my Mormon cousin (through marriage) is going to Hell because she doesn’t believe exactly what I do. There are definitely some things I do agree that the church endorses, like anti death penalty, helping the poor, missionary work, etc. It just seems that my differences are too much.
A couple of important distinctions:
  1. The church is not necessarily anti-death penalty. It is in MOST cases, but it will accept the death penalty if it can be proved that even in captivity the prisoner would remain a threat to society. Now, that said, in modern times, that’s actually a very rare circumstance, although not impossible.
  2. When we say that there is “no salvation outside the Catholic Church”, it does NOT mean that non-Catholics cannot be saved! It means that they might be saved in SPITE of a lack of knowledge. They will be doing the will of God, as passed down through the Bible and proclaimed most fully through the Catholic Church, without even realizing it. It’s akin to this. Imagine the Catholic Church as a 16 year old who goes out and buys a brand new car. They read the entire instruction manual, sign up and take driving lessons, and successfully make it to school. Now, imagine other groups are 16 year olds who go out and buy used cars. They have only partial instruction manuals, or perhaps no instruction manual at all. Some get lessons, but some do not. Now, they may eventually make it safely to school as well, but if school represents the Kingdom of Heaven, which route is the safer choice? If they DO make it to school, it will be by unintentionally following the rules that were in the book they never read and the lessons they never signed up for. (In other words, they were still saved THROUGH the Catholic Church).
Said another way, people who are “invincibly ignorant” that the Catholic Church teaches the truth may still be saved through the compassion of God, although it is far more difficult. (For example, if they ever commit a mortal sin, they would not have access to Confession, but would have to rely on an “act of perfect contrition”. Most people would not even know what that was, and even if they did, its very difficult to make.)
I feel so badly because I do feel most comfortable in the Catholic mass but I wasn’t getting anything out of the Mass. Our Father never preached on anything, but went over Bible scriptures. It seemed he droned on forever and I would never pay attention. In our current Episcopal church, the Father talks on how the Bible relates to our lives through lessons and stories. Rarely do I find myself not paying attention. Why can’t Mass be like this?
Well, for a couple of reasons:
  1. The central purpose of the Mass is NOT the homily, but the Eucharist. At it’s most basic level, while all of the other parts of the Mass are greatly edifying, the reason we are there is to take part in the Sacrament of the Eucharist.
  2. Catholic priests preach homilies. Protestant ministers preach sermons. There is a big difference. Sermons can be on any topic the preacher likes, can be any length, and wouldn’t necessarily even have to include a discussion of scripture. However, the Catholic Church follows a lectionary, meaning that there are certain mandatory readings on every day of the year, in a three year cycle. This is to ensure that even those Catholics that never read the Bible will at least hear most of scripture read aloud over time, and for the most part, in order. This is then combined with the homily, which is usually required to be a short explanation of the readings that were just read for the day. While the priest has a great deal of leeway in how he addresses the reading, he MUST address the readings given to him.
 
It just seems the differences are too much and what I don’t like about the Episcopal church (lack of ceremony in mass, women priests, very young babies being able to accept the Eucharist despite knowing what it truly is, etc) doesn’t make up for what I get out out of their sermons and fellowship opportunities. Yes, I know that Mass isn’t supposed to be an entertainment experience like going to the movies but I never enjoyed or got anything out of it. It was literally an obligation to go.
Another clarification - in the Eastern Catholic Churches, young babies DO accept the Eucharist. In fact, all three sacraments of initiation (Baptism, Communion, and Confirmation), are performed all at once while the child is an infant. There is no requirement that the child understand what they are receiving, although that IS a discipline of the Latin branch of the Catholic Church that the child generally be at least 7 years in age. A discipline means that while it is currently an enforced tradition, it is one that is changeable at the discretion of the church.
 
It sounds like part of you is dealing with one of the great classic philosophical debates of all time: absolute morality vs. moral relativity. This is a debate that’s so old, that it predates Christianity.

I work as a history professor, so let me explain:

In the earliest days of classical Greece, there arose a group called the Sophists. At first, they were simply the world’s first paid teachers and tutors. They would be intelligent people that would be hired by others to share their knowledge with them. Over time, however, a certain group of Sophists became so famous, that a specific school of thought arose around them. These Sophists were led by a man named Protagoras, who coined the phrase “Man is the measure of all things.” Well, what did he mean? He was stating that morality is in our mind, and so what might be right for one person might not be right for another, and that was ok. For example, while I might think it’s a sin to drink alcohol, others might think it’s ok at 21, or at 18, or at 14, and so on. Different people and societies would believe different things, and so the majority opinion would generally become law. But, since the law was not rooted in any moral truth, it could be changed at will.

Soon, a man arose to challenge this idea - the great Greek philosopher Socrates. He believed in moral absolutism, or that morality is fixed, regardless of what we believe. He argued that this had to be true, because there are some crimes that are universally accepted, like murder, rape, and theft. No matter where you go, whether it be the USA or England, or China or North Korea, all of these societies agree that certain crimes are universal. Socrates believed that ALL morality was absolute, and that if you disagreed, you were simply wrong. He would argue, for example, that something like premarital sex is always wrong. Now, in ancient society, just like in the modern, there were many varying opinions on this. However, while Protagoras would say that this is perfectly acceptable, Socrates, would say that those who believe in premarital sex are simply incorrect and should change their habits to conform to the true nature of morality and the universe. He also believed that although a state could create an immoral law, it was still important to follow the law as best as morally possible to avoid chaos. By the way, Socrates was so sure that he was right about absolute morality, that he died for his beliefs. He frequently criticized democracy as being a government of amateurs, and so the government of Athens eventually condemned him to death. Rather than flee or go into exile, he voluntarily drank hemlock and killed himself. He wasn’t willing to go against the judgement of the state, which he believed was absolute. He was willing to admit that his opinion could be wrong.

You see, Socrates realized that if you believed in moral relativism, you could justify anything, since there was no basis for morality to be true except our own mind. Instead of something being wrong, you could just legalize it and VOILA… it’s ok! Think pot should be legalized? Ok! Think prostitution should be legalized? Ok! Take this to it’s logical extension, and you end up with the Nazis. Think it’s ok to murder Jews? VOILA… it’s ok! This was the danger that Socrates warned about, and what he was trying to combat.

Now, how does this impact the topic at hand?

Protestantism is a morally relative system. People pick and choose a denomination based on how closely it mirrors their OWN personal moral beliefs.

Catholicism is a morally ABSOLUTE system. People are given a moral code, and if they disagree, they are wrong, and then expected to learn why they are wrong and correct their behavior.

Two final questions:
  1. Which are you?
  2. If you believe in God, do you think he would let individual humans determine morality for themselves according to their best judgment, or do you think he assigned certain moral precepts for his followers that were absolute?
 
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