Am I the only one that finds this ridiculous?

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I found this recently…and while much of it does seem valid…a lot of it just seems rediculous to me.

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Gothic (or goth) is a very obscure and often dangerous culture that young teenagers are prone to participating in. The gothic culture leads young, susceptible minds into an imagined world of evil, darkness, and violence. Please seek immediate attention through counselling, prayer, and parental guidance to rid your child of Satan’s temptations if five or more of the following are applicable to your child:

-Frequently wears black clothing.

-Wears band and/or rock t-shirts.

-Wears excessive black eye makeup, lipstick or nailpolish.

-Wears any odd, silver jewelry or symbols. Some of these include: reversed crosses, pentagrams, pentacles, ankhs or various other Satanic worshipping symbols.

-Shows an interest in piercings or tattoos.

-Listens to gothic or any other anti-social genres of music. (Marilyn Manson claims to be the anti-Christ, and publicly speaks against the Lord. Please discard any such albums IMMEDIATELY.)

-Associates with other people that dress, act or speak Accentrically.

-Shows a declining interest in wholesome activities, such as: the Bible, prayer, church or sports.

-Shows an increasing interest in death, vampires, magic, the occult, witchcraft or anything else that involves Satan.

-Takes drugs.

-Drinks alcohol.

-Is suicidal and/or depressed.

-Cuts, burns or partakes in any other method of self-mutilation. (This is a Satanic ritual that uses pain to detract from the light of God and His love. Please seek immediate attention for this at your local mental health center.)

-Complains of boredom.

-Sleeps too excessively or too little.

-Is excessively awake during the night.

-Dislikes sunlight or any other form of light. (This pertains to vampires promoting the idea that His light is of no use.)

-Demands an unusual amount of privacy.

-Spends large amounts of time alone.

-Requests time alone and quietness. (This is so that your chid may speak to evil sprits through meditation.)

-Insists on spending time with friends while unaccompanied by an adult.

-Disregards authority figures; teachers, priests, nuns and elders are but a few examples of this.

-Misbehaves at school.

-Misbehaves at home.

-Eats excessively or too little.

-Eats goth-related foods. Count Dracula cereal is an example of this.

-Drinks blood or expresses an interest in drinking blood. (Vampires believe this is how to attain Satan. This act is very dangerous and should be stopped immediately.)

-Watches cable television or any other corrupted media sources. (Ask your local church for proper programs that your child may watch.)

-Plays videos games that contains violence or role-playing nature.

-Uses the internet excessively and frequently makes time for the computer.

-Makes Satanic symbols and/or violently shakes head to music.

-Dances to music in a provocative or sexual manner.

-Expresses an interest in sex.

-Masturbates

-Is homosexual and/or bisexual.

-Pursues dangerous cult religions. Such include: Satanism, Scientology, Philosophy, Paganism, Wicca, Hinduism and Buddhism.

-Wears pins, stickers or anything else that contains these various phrases: “I’m so gothic”, “I’m dead”, “woe is me”, “I’m a goth”.

-Claims to be a goth.

If five or more of these apply to your child, please intervene immediately. The gothic culture is dangerous and Satan thrives within it. If any of these problems persist, enlist your child into your local mental health center.

~St. Mary’s Catholic Church
 
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Needless to say, this has made catholics the laughing stock of the forum that I orriginally saw it on. I’ve explained to them that this isn’t official, and for the most part they’ve relented in attacking the church as a whole.

If you’re interested, I got this score:

-Frequently wears black clothing.

-Listens to gothic or any other anti-social genres of music. (Marilyn Manson claims to be the anti-Christ, and publicly speaks against the Lord. Please discard any such albums IMMEDIATELY.)…(If thrash metal and FF soundtracks count XP)

-Associates with other people that dress, act or speak Accentrically.

-Shows an increasing interest in death, vampires, magic, the occult, witchcraft or anything else that involves Satan.

-Sleeps too excessively or too little. (too little)

-Is excessively awake during the night.

-Dislikes sunlight or any other form of light. (This pertains to vampires promoting the idea that His light is of no use.)

-Demands an unusual amount of privacy.

-Spends large amounts of time alone.

-Insists on spending time with friends while unaccompanied by an adult. (question: who doesn’t?)

-Disregards authority figures; teachers, priests, nuns and elders are but a few examples of this. (I do, but I have great respect for my Priest, don’t know any nuns, but I respect those that i’ve met. Obey my parents, as well as my teachers. I only disreguard other people that claim authority.)

-Drinks blood or expresses an interest in drinking blood. (Vampires believe this is how to attain Satan. This act is very dangerous and should be stopped immediately.) [NOTE FROM ME: I only lap up my own blood off of cuts, the stuff tastes good >.>]

-Watches cable television or any other corrupted media sources. (Ask your local church for proper programs that your child may watch.)

-Plays videos games that contains violence or role-playing nature.

-Uses the internet excessively and frequently makes time for the computer.
 
i think almost every item on the list describes almost every teenager who ever lived. i liked the bit about the count chockula cereal the best. should we be worried if our adolescents start misspelling important works like ‘accentric’? 🙂
 
While I’m not a youngin, and therefore many things in the list don’t apply, I’ll weigh in:

Let’s see, I wear black, listen to metal music (I actually enjoy Manson’s Antichrist Superstar album, it’s very well put together musically IMO), I have tattoos (one very nice one of an Armenian Cross), I work nights and live nocturnally on my days off, I read horror novels for entertainment (Lovecraft is one of my favorites), enjoy video games that feature the occult (I recommend Clive Barker’s Undying for a Lovecraftian flavored scare), I’m using the internet RIGHT NOW, drink alcohol, and I spend a lot of time alone.

Of course, I pray alone, and meditate on Scripture quite a bit, so things are a bit different, but I recommend that people not take such lists too seriously.
 
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linkskywalker:
I found this recently…and while much of it does seem valid…a lot of it just seems rediculous to me.
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Dear linkskywalker,

I agree with you. It is not entirely ridiculous, although I would have worded a number of things differently.

One of my sons has had a number of friends and aquaintences who fit the “goth” stereotype. Many of them do have pretty serious problems, and many of them did drugs and alcohol. Some of the things on this list are good indicators, while others are silly. Expresses and interest in sex? Masturbation? Misbehaves? I think I’d be suspicious of a teenager who didn’t do those things. Eats Count Dracula? Makes me want to go buy Count Dracula now.

On the other hand, it is no joke that many teenagers, some of whom fit this stereotype in clothing, piercings (multiple piercings, not just “an interest in piercing”) and makeup, as well as some who don’t, are in serious need of help and are suicidal, self-mutilating, etc. It’s worse than most parents and teachers I know would think. My daughter who is now in ninth grade has confided in me a number of things that her friends could not tell their parents or teachers, such as one girl who did slash her wrists and kept them hidden. I used to be a youth crisis counselor, so I coached her on how to council her friend for suicide and whether she has an obligation to report it. This was in a Catholic grade school. Another child was suspended for bringing pot to school.

While I applaud St. Mary’s for being concerned, I would be happy to work with them to make their list more realistic, and more useful. If you wish you may send me a private message with contact information and I will contact them and see if they want help. (I will keep your name out of it or not, as you prefer.) They are trying to do good work, but I agree that as it stands it is pretty useless, if not comical and counterproductive.

Alan
 
No! Take this seriously!

Let’s see, what applies to me:

-Frequently wears black clothing.
-Wears band and/or rock t-shirts.
-Wears any odd, silver jewelry or symbols. Some of these include: reversed crosses, pentagrams, pentacles, ankhs or various other Satanic worshipping symbols.
-Listens to gothic or any other anti-social genres of music. -Associates with other people that dress, act or speak Accentrically.
-Shows a declining interest in wholesome activities, such as: the Bible, prayer, church or sports.
-Drinks alcohol.
-Demands an unusual amount of privacy.
-Requests time alone and quietness. (This is so that your chid may speak to evil sprits through meditation.)
-Disregards authority figures; teachers, priests, nuns and elders are but a few examples of this.
-Watches cable television or any other corrupted media sources.
-Plays videos games that contains violence or role-playing nature.
-Uses the internet excessively and frequently makes time for the computer. (I use it even at my job!)
-Makes Satanic symbols and/or violently shakes head to music.
-Expresses an interest in sex.
-Wears pins, stickers or anything else that contains these various phrases: “I’m so gothic”, “I’m dead”, “woe is me”, “I’m a goth”.
-Claims to be a goth.

And now look what I have become: an atheist.

Take this seriously!

:rotfl:
 
Technically I went “goth” on my wedding day. No black, but I had wedding dress, that resembled more of the Princess Bride, with long flowing sleeves down to the floor and a wreath of baby beaths, and of course it was in a “gothic” style church. And I wear a lot of black, because I can’t coordinate clothes.
 
I am actually dealing with this some what with my teenaged son as he is attracted to this sub-culture. The fact that his girl friend is really into goth only makes it harder. So far, I have had moderate success. He does not listen to anti-Christian and immoral music and wears appropriate dress for Mass.

Where a teenager wants to express his individuality, then I understand that some leeway is healthy and am supportive of that.
Where this fad glamorizes evil, we Catholic parents must take a stand. If we are ridiculed by others (such as that parody), so be it. Nobody subverts my children without a fight.
 
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AlanFromWichita:
While I applaud St. Mary’s for being concerned, I would be happy to work with them to make their list more realistic, and more useful. If you wish you may send me a private message with contact information and I will contact them and see if they want help. (I will keep your name out of it or not, as you prefer.) They are trying to do good work, but I agree that as it stands it is pretty useless, if not comical and counterproductive.

Alan
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I found it on another message board, I don’t know where it orriginated.

Catholic doctrine does forbid much of this, masturbation included, but seriously. Count Chocula Cereal?
 
The fourth Lateran council expressly forbids the consumption of any type of chocolate-flavored breakfast food that uses undead symbolism. Sorry for you Count Chocula lovers out there.
 
Some of the items listed could very well apply to someone who is deeply depressed. That could lead someone into something like this. Wearing black? What’s wrong with that? Could it be that the black fits their mood? Drinking and drugs? That could stem from the feeling that they don’t feel like they can handle their life.

I agree that there is some music out there that a good catholic shouldn’t listen to. It could very well drag you down spiritually. Kind of like watching porn. I’ve even seen a couple of music videos that left no room for not knowing what the singer/songwriter meant with that song. I would be careful with that Marilyn Manson guy. I’ve heard he took that last name because he thinks that Charles Manson is someone to immulate. For those of you who don’t know about this guy, read Helter Skelter. It’s almost sickening. :eek:
 
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Ghosty:
While I’m not a youngin, and therefore many things in the list don’t apply, I’ll weigh in:
Of course, I pray alone, and meditate on Scripture quite a bit, so things are a bit different, but I recommend that people not take such lists too seriously.
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I am glad to hear that and I agree caution to lists like these would be a good thing. I am just thankful my kids made it past all that.

But I will note my kids may have cd’s I do not agree with or like if they were in the vehicles they were paying for they could keep them. But if they ever brought them into my house and I saw them I broke them.
Kind of an unwritten rule to keep the out and to stand for what I believe to be correct.

Keep on praying and staying faithful!!
 
I think the historical Goths would be offended by this trend of want to be’s. They eventually became the Christian Visi-Goths of Spain (I don’t think I spelled it right). They ruled Spain with virtue and basically saved Christendom. The Goths have had a very interesting history, but so did the Jews and the early Christians.
 
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I think the historical Goths would be offended by this trend of want to be’s. They eventually became the Christian Visi-Goths of Spain (I don’t think I spelled it right). They ruled Spain with virtue and basically saved Christendom. The Goths have had a very interesting history, but so did the Jews and the early Christians.
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I always wonder why people bring up historical goths in discussions about the stereotype of goth…it makes little sense to me. They’re totaly different things.

I don’t mind when people call me goth, though i don’t consider myself one…

Really though, stuff on this list is not gothy. I’ve never even seen a “woe is me” pin =P masturbation (while wrong) is a problem that all young people (males especialy) have to struggle with. Not just goths.
 
If parents start worrying about their teenage children dipping into various nefarious expressions of identity, I would submit that the problem probably started 12 1/2 to 16 1/2 years before; i.e. when the child was about 6 months old. Nobody wanted to make rules, and take the time to train the child then, and it all cascaded down hill for the next how many years. It is more than just a little bit late to wake up one day and realize your child looks like something out of a horror movie, more than slightly anemic, and into bizzare behavior.

Parents seem to forget that failing to make a choice and back it up, is a choice.

And that’s my soapbox for the day…
 
I must be the preppiest goth kid to ever walk the planet
-Frequently wears black clothing.
- Black is slimming and proffesional looking and it goes with everything
-Wears band and/or rock t-shirts.
I have a lot of Dave Matthews and John Mayer Scissor Sisters, Dropkick Murphys tshirts OOOOOHHHH I’M A SATANIST who listens to hippy angsty rock!
-Wears excessive black eye makeup, lipstick or nailpolish.
Black eyeshadow and eye liner make my squinty eyes look bigger and I like the smokey look
-Wears any odd, silver jewelry or symbols…
I wear a claddaugh ring
-Shows an interest in piercings or tattoos.
I have a celtic knot tattoed on my back, and I had my tongue pierced (kept getting strep throat because of it so I took it out)
-Listens to gothic or any other anti-social genres of music.
Like I said, I like whiny angsty music that appeals to the disenfranchised youth of today (see Adams, Ryan, Mayer, John, Radiohead et all)
-Associates with other people that dress, act or speak Accentrically.
Well all my friends are a little to the left of norm… thats what makes em fun to hang out with
-Shows a declining interest in wholesome activities, such as: the Bible, prayer, church or sports.
I believe my love for all things Red Sox has ceased being healthy and is bordering on insanity (GRRRRRRRR YANKEES…THE NATION WILL CLINCH THE WILD CARD OUT FROM UNDERNEATH ANAHEIM AND SEND THE EVIL EMPIRE TO THEIR DOOOOOOOOOOOOM!!!)
-Shows an increasing interest in death, vampires, magic, the occult, witchcraft or anything else that involves Satan.
Well I often joke with my friends that you go to heaven for the weather and hell for the company
-Takes drugs.
Well I don’t do them anymore but in college, lets just say I was the champ at being able to finish a canister of cheezballs after partaking in certain substances
-Drinks alcohol.
Still do. Sorry but I love cheap beer
-Is suicidal and/or depressed.
Generally this feeling arrives when my credit card statements appear in the mail
-Cuts, burns or partakes in any other method of self-mutilation.
Well I’m a klutz so I tend to be covered in bruises and cuts
-Complains of boredom.
Check
-Sleeps too excessively or too little.
I spent all day yesterday in bed, I only got out to pee and put laundry in the washing machine
-Is excessively awake during the night.
DANG YOU DIET COKE WITH LIME YOU KEEP ME AWAKE
 
-Dislikes sunlight or any other form of light.

Well I’m a redhead,with fair skin, and I spent Saturday at the beach and got sunpoisoning so yea I don’t really like the sun

-Demands an unusual amount of privacy.

I live with 2 boys who are like brothers who just barge in to take stuff from my room so yea knocking is abig thing with me.

-Spends large amounts of time alone.

See above answer

Requests time alone and quietness.

I like to be quiet and in my own head, it allows me to work stuff out

-Insists on spending time with friends while unaccompanied by an adult.

Well I’m 24 so I’m kinda an adult already

-Disregards authority figures;

Well my boss is a moron

-Misbehaves at school.

Does falling asleep in class count

-Misbehaves at home.

We throw raging house parties around rent time

-Eats excessively or too little.

I don’t know how to cook so unless I go out to dinner or my boyfriend cooks for me I exist solely on coffee, diet coke and cigarettes

-Eats goth-related foods. Count Dracula cereal is an example of this.

Ehhh no big loss I always like BooBerry crunch better

-Watches cable television or any other corrupted media sources.

I’m addicted to my Tivo, I live for TV sometimes

-Plays videos games that contains violence or role-playing nature.

Tekken rocks as does Madden 2005 and Grand Theft Auto

-Uses the internet excessively and frequently makes time for the computer.

Things I do at work to look busy so as not to get any more work include spending an excessive amount of time on the web and then typing on IM

-Makes Satanic symbols and/or violently shakes head to music.

Thats my favorite silly face

-Dances to music in a provocative or sexual manner.

Well Usually its just making fun of the way other people dance but once I have a few in me I get a little flirty

-Expresses an interest in sex.

I’m a health 24 year old female. God forbid

-Is homosexual and/or bisexual.

Nah women are insane

-Pursues dangerous cult religions.

I’m obsessed with scientology… I want to go to one of their centers and run around screaming that I’m a suppressive person

-Wears pins, stickers or anything else that contains these various phrases: “I’m so gothic”, “I’m dead”, “woe is me”, “I’m a goth”.

I have a lot of tshirts with words on them… I’m a big fan of the FCUK brand cause when you look at it quickly you see one thing but it’s not I have: I also own some tshirts like I have a fever for more cowbell (SNL skit) and one of those psycho bunny tshirts that says you make me throw up a little

-Claims to be a goth.

Nah I’m really preppy but according to this list I’m all gothed out.
 
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Man it is easy to be stupid or what? If your teen doesn’t fit more then five things on that list I would worry that you were raising one of those pod babies from* Invasion of the Body Snachers*.

-D
 
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