Amateur Question on Judgement

[JaKael02]

Do the angels & demons get judged at the general judgement? I should know this but forgot.

 

[DavidFilmer]

This is hardly an amateur question.

The Catholic Church does not have much to teach about angels. Most of what the Church accepts (or, at least, does not dispute) comes to us through Jewish traditions which pre-date the Church.

The Jewish Faith does not have a clearly accepted notion of personal judgement. The Jews see their relationship with God as more of a communal thing (the Jewish people) than an individual thing. The idea of a personal and individual relationship with God that would apply to all Jews (not just people like Abraham or the prophets) is not well defined in Judaism.

The Jewish traditions of angelic beings does not include personal judgement.

These same traditions teach that angels possess perfect intellect (“perfect” does not mean “infinite,” which God alone possesses). Angels are created beings. At the time of their creation, they did not share in the beatific vision of heaven. They were given a choice to serve God or to serve themselves. Once this choice was made, it is irreversible (because it was made with perfect intellect).

Thus, in a sense, the angels judged themselves, and this judgement is final.

 

[JaKael02]

Thanks! That a well explained answer. Makes sense. I kept wondering about that and had to ask the forum because you all know so much.

Good contract between Perfect & Infinite intellect. It seems hard for humans to grasp how an angel could choose against God when possessing perfect intellect. In addition, the gospels seem to state that the demons are united force (united with satan as their head). I don’t seem to understand how a fallen force could possess unity.

Overall, thanks for the response & that was sort of my thoughts leading into it. Kindly - james

 

[Doxiemom]

Do the angels & demons get judged at the general judgement? I should know this but forgot.

yes, they do.

At the end of Christ 's 1000 year reign as King , there will be a war because, even then, some men nave rebellion in their hearts. Satan is loosed from the bottomless pit for a “little while” and the war begins. Jesus ends the war. At that time there will be a judgement called the Greart White Throne Judgement, whereas all the fallen angles, Satan, demons, people in hell, Anti-christ, and the False prophet come for thier judgement.

We, who are in heaven and the angels, actulally sit in a knd of jury box to take part in this final judgement. The verdict is given.

This is what the place called the Lake of Fire was created for. It is the Second Death. Satan and ll the rest are thrown into the Lake. It is kept on earth as a witness for all to see, well after earth is totally purged by fire and made anew. And then we shall have Eden again once more for eterity.

All of this is in scripture and I am sure you can do a word search for the important words like…
Great White Throne
Lake of Fire
Second Death

 

[DavidFilmer]

It seems hard for humans to grasp how an angel could choose against God when possessing perfect intellect.

Because (as I said) the angels did not enjoy the beatific vision when they made their choice. It would be impossible for an intellect endowed with free-will to choose against God if this intellect were made fully aware of the true nature of God. BEFORE becoming inexplicably aware of this Divine Nature (by sharing in the beatific vision), angels were also offered the choice of faith in God or faith in themselves. It is the same choice we are offered everyday, but we can make a different choice everyday, because our intellect is fickle and imperfect. But, for a perfect intellect, the choice would never vary (even if it was wrong).

In addition, the gospels seem to state that the demons are united force (united with satan as their head). I don’t seem to understand how a fallen force could possess unity.

Really? Do you not see that gangs and crime syndicates (and even nation-states) unite with evil purpose? “The enemy of my enemy is my friend.” What if your enemy is God?

 

[JaKael02]

Because (as I said) the angels did not enjoy the beatific vision when they made their choice. It would be impossible for an intellect endowed with free-will to choose against God if this intellect were made fully aware of the true nature of God. BEFORE becoming inexplicably aware of this Divine Nature (by sharing in the beatific vision), angels were also offered the choice of faith in God or faith in themselves. It is the same choice we are offered everyday, but we can make a different choice everyday, because our intellect is fickle and imperfect. But, for a perfect intellect, the choice would never vary (even if it was wrong).

Dang dude, your pretty sharp. How do you know all this? That’s a really good answer though. Explains it very well. I’ve perplexed over that so much recently.

Really? Do you not see that gangs and crime syndicates (and even nation-states) unite with evil purpose? “The enemy of my enemy is my friend.” What if your enemy is God?

Makes sense. That explains it well. So technically there is no unity, just unity against God and satan leads the charge against him. So satan is only a leader amongst those who hate God.

Thanks again for your response. I’ll try to remember that. Kindly - James

 

[JaKael02]

yes, they do.

At the end of Christ 's 1000 year reign as King , there will be a war because, even then, some men nave rebellion in their hearts. Satan is loosed from the bottomless pit for a “little while” and the war begins. Jesus ends the war. At that time there will be a judgement called the Greart White Throne Judgement, whereas all the fallen angles, Satan, demons, people in hell, Anti-christ, and the False prophet come for thier judgement.

We, who are in heaven and the angels, actulally sit in a knd of jury box to take part in this final judgement. The verdict is given.

This is what the place called the Lake of Fire was created for. It is the Second Death. Satan and ll the rest are thrown into the Lake. It is kept on earth as a witness for all to see, well after earth is totally purged by fire and made anew. And then we shall have Eden again once more for eterity.

All of this is in scripture and I am sure you can do a word search for the important words like…
Great White Throne
Lake of Fire
Second Death

Thank you for your response. I’ll reflect on this. Kindly - James