Amazon Synod considering the possible ordination of married men

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I think his point is that priestly celibacy is NOT a universal discipline. The Eastern Catholic Churches are material to the discussion as they are very much part of the universal Church. The discipline is universal the global Latin Church… I think that would be a more accurate way to put it.
 
I think his point is that priestly celibacy is NOT a universal discipline.
And the point of my reply to the original question is that this proposal isn’t a local proposal, but a universal one. 😉
 
Context, doc, context… 😉
I don’t think that there is a context in which “universal church” means “worldwide Roman Catholic Church” . . . and if there were, making a statement about it on something where East and West difference would indicate that that wasn’t the context . . .
 
My guess is that underlying this discussion is an unspoken fear that celibacy would disappear. It didn’t disappear during the almost half of the life of the Roman rite; it is still alive and well in the Eastern Church, and will continue to be alive and well. Celibacy is a separate and distinct vocation from orders, and for those of us who are old enough to remember, there was a great deal of anticipation among some of the clergy alive and well before Vatican 2, that the Council would allow for married priests; a goodly number of ordained men left the priesthood after it was clear that was not part and parcel of the documents, and asked to be laicized (or didn’t) and married.

The short of that is that men who wanted t be priests had to accept celibacy as part and parcel of being ordained, and the facts post Vatican 2 show that some, if not all of those leaving did not have the vocation to celibacy.

Vatican 2 ended in 1965, and I well remember several “discussions” that year and the next, while I was in college seminary.

The world would not/will not fall apart if permission is given to ordain married men in Brazil; and the same holds true for the rest of the Church. Any married man who seeks ordination is going to have a spouse who will have (name removed by moderator)ut on the matter, just as it is within the ordination f permanent deacons. And if Momma ain’t happy… it won’t occur. Nor is there any reason to presume there would be a massive flood to vocations directors. It is entirely possible that it could be set so that anyone seeking ordination would have to be well into, if not beyond “child bearing age” as well. In other words, no flood of 22 year olds.

And as to the much discussed German Bishops and any request on their part: they may have a dearth of vocations; they also have a dearth of congregants in the pews.
 
Hey, there’s only been one case in our local RC parish in which an imported priest hit a parishioner over the head with a bottle of wine (while helping at the RC parish), became an interstate fugitive from justice, and tied the diocese up with the resultant litigation!
Sadly, too many diocese don’t screen priests properly before letting them set up shop so to speak. I’ve seen/heard of many priests who show up, start working, get given facultus and even a stipend without anyone asking who they are and whether their bishop know where they are! If they’re coming for longer than a quick visit then a thorough background check should be performed. Sadly, however this doesn’t always happen although, since the clerical abuse scandal, bishops have become more warrier about who the allow to work in their diocese - Australia, for example, is particularly strict, requiring visiting priests to apply in advance!
There would need to be a canon law adjustment to handle this class of priests, and in a way that would prevent their reception by any bishop of a diocese in which such provisions were not in place.
Canon law already allows a bishop free reign to choose who he wishes to incardinate (accept) into his diocese. Granted, that wouldn’t allow a bishop to prevent a married priest from working in his diocese at all (solely because he’s married) but that said, I don’t see why this should be a problem.
 
That’s what would need to change, at least for the present: the ability of a bishop to incarnate a “restricted” priest like that would need to be removed to prevent abuse.

As far as screening, this was an Eastern priest sent to a mission, who was hired by the RC diocese to help out at a parish (a common arrangement, as typically the EC parish doesn’t need [and can’t support] a full time priest, so the RC bishops gets a priest, and the EC mission/small parish can work on a building fund instead of paying a salary)

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That’s what would need to change, at least for the present: the ability of a bishop to incarnate a “restricted” priest like that would need to be removed to prevent abuse.
That’s pretty much not going to happen. The freedom of a diocesan bishop to incardinate clergy isn’t something which Rome would want to curtail because it’s a matter for the local Church and not the universal Church. As far as “abuse” goes, the priests’ existing ordinary would have to agree to his excardination before he could move. Besides this, incardinating clery isn’t something that bishops tend to do lightly because it carries with it obligation on their part and rights on the part of the priest who’s being incardinated - things like health care, retirement, and upkeep! In addition, there’s also the question of whether the priest in question would be a good “fit” for their diocese - so it’s not quite as simple as a bishop deciding he likes the idea of married priests and picking some up on the open market!
 
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