Amazon Synod idols cast in River Tiber today

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St Paul didn’t go around destroying idols. He used the evidence of the religiousity of the Athenians as a way to enter into dialogue and convert them. It was dialogue first, then conversion. That is the way it worked in the first century and that is the only way it has ever really worked since. Those who think they will convert souls by theft and vandalism were sadly misguided. The people of the Amazon region have suffered enough theft and vandalism. We should not align the traditional side of the Church with those who ignore moral law and use force to get whatever they want.
 
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Revised Catacism under the ten commandments/capital punishment.

Second-year seminary.

No, I didn’t I just didn’t cite because I don’t own the books and numbers are overwhelming. I do however have a really really good memory.

A good bible and catechism can run you 50 Canadian. I got other things to pay for.
 
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Those who think they will convert souls by surrender and appeasement were sadly misguided.
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There are ways to get things like this removed from a church other than stealing them. Tell me which of those were even tried? By whom?
 
Dr Marshall announced in his youtube channel ‘with great joy’ that the ‘idols’ were thrown in the Tiber. Maybe he is involved in the physical action, maybe he is not but he certainly doesn’t describe it as a theft and compared what happened to the actions of Saint Benedict, Saint Boniface and Elijah. In other words he considers what happened as heroic and saintly.
 
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You can assume we are all quite familiar with Scripture. Are you saying Paul destroyed idols? Citation please.
 
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Dr Marshall announced in his youtube channel ‘with great joy’ that the ‘idols’ were thrown in the Tiber. Maybe he is involved in the physical action, maybe he is not
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Many of us in this thread probably felt “great joy” that the idols were thrown in the Tiber. Per this post, looks like many of us were also possibly involved in the physical action! (I wish)
 
According to the definition;

noun
  1. an image or representation of a god used as an object of worship.
So, where the fertility statues worshiped as gods ? Or were they merely symbols of fertility for life ?

Seems to me, pro-life Catholics would understand the difference.
 
I don’t know where you got that idea. Surely not Scripture.
 
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aroosi said:
Dr Marshall announced in his youtube channel ‘with great joy’ that the ‘idols’ were thrown in the Tiber. Maybe he is involved in the physical action, maybe he is not but he certainly doesn’t describe it as a theft and compared what happened to the actions of Saint Benedict, Saint Boniface and Elijah. In other words he considers what happened as heroic and saintly.
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You know what struck me as weird about this? He encouraged people in Rome to get rid of the statue but he himself was just there – if he wanted it thrown in the Tiber, why didn’t he do it himself?
 
Ever heard of the flow of logic? If A then B means C.
Killing someone is a sin. The death penalty is inadmissible. Therefore killing someone with the death penalty is a sin.
If you don’t need to kill someone then its no longer allowed because there is no reason too.

How is this difficult?

Nor did you apparently.
 
aroosi said:
Dr Marshall announced in his youtube channel ‘with great joy’ that the ‘idols’ were thrown in the Tiber. Maybe he is involved in the physical action, maybe he is not but he certainly doesn’t describe it as a theft and compare what happened to the actions of Saint Benedict, Saint Boniface and Elijah. In other words he considers what happened as heroic and saintly.
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I agree with the Vatican, who deemed it a publicity stunt. That is what it obviously was. I have no idea how anybody thinks that any persons from the Amazon are going to be edified by this action. It is not an act of evangelization. This was totally an act of preaching to the choir and, based on the fact that a video was taken, an act looking for applause from one’s own partisans.

Anybody who thinks this will have saved any souls on the Amazon needs a serious reality check. It was a theft and a publicity stunt. When and if you find someone actually doing missionary work in the Amazon who says otherwise, please post it.
 
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Well, his temporary account disappearance, his very open and strong involvement in the battle agains ‘the idols’, the timing of the posts (Rome vs US time zone) sound pretty fishy. Maybe is just a coincidence. Anyway, there may be a surveillance camera that will soon clarify the ‘mystery’
 
Well I hope he did do it. If he did, I’ll triple my monthly donation to his Patreon.
 
As I’m sure you know, that is exactly what some Protestants say about our images of the saints. And what do we say back? You can’t commit idolatry by accident. It doesn’t depend on your posture or anything like that. It depends on what is in your head and heart at the time.

The image may be off-putting. It may resemble images of a pagan goddess. It may even have been an image of a pagan goddess (which, yes, would have been extremely foolish of whoever set that up). But if the people at the ceremony were Catholics using that image as a focus to honor Our Lady, then that’s the only “worship” that went on.

Again, not saying it might not have been a terrible idea, and certainly it had what we call “bad optics,” but pagan worship was only going on if that’s what the people there intended.
 
I love this has turned into “Did Dr Marshall do it?” thread, as if that’s a bad thing. Its like asking “Did Dr Marshall feed the 100 homeless people? I suspect he did cause he was near the homeless people when they were fed and he frequently said the homeless should be fed!”
 
He may need it. Disposing of somebody else property throwing it illegally in a river is unlawful and he will probably need to pay a high fine for it.
 
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