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PetraG
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Well, and that obviously would not have the publicity stunt value, either, would it? It would be a pretty weak YouTube video, and we can’t have that.
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Rubee
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You can ‘oh, please’ all you want. The point still remains there were not many options as you suggested and I have no reason to assume the measures taken were done as a stunt rather than an act of moral outrage. You can assume more if you like.PetraG said:
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PetraG
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I never said bishops don’t make mistakes. I said that this is not in keeping with saints who dealt with bishops who did, because it isn’t. Self-identifying with St. Benedict or St. Boniface isn’t flying with me.
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phil19034
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Here is the difference. These people were NOT pagans. They are liberal, Christian heretics who are trying to promote the use of pagan symbols in the Amazon because liberals think the people of the Amazon are too stupid to understand the Catholic faith.MikeInVA:
You can’t convert people who don’t want to talk to you.
Unless you use the sword. Which is where this militant ‘toss all idols in the garbage’ comes from.
Meanwhile, they totally ignore the thousands of Native Americans in North America, Central America & South America who honestly converted due to their interaction with Franciscan and Jesuit priests.
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PetraG
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Do you really think that the video got onto the internet because a bystander happened to wander by and record what they were doing? (Oh, please.)
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gracepoole
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But he didn’t. Even though he was there. I’m not sure why he’s a hero here…
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PetraG
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Throw a cloth over it to cover it and go to the rector. It is not that hard. It is less splashy, but it is not that hard.
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Aquinas11
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Yes, I agree, he should have stomped them into 100 pieces before throwing them in river.
Pagan idol has “as much importance” as statute of Christ, pretty stunning admission.
Yes and I would want someone to destroy a Pagan Idol in my house…
so now merely refusing to permit Pagan Idol worship in Catholic Church is definition of “persecutor”
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Rubee
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You can ‘oh, please’ all you want. The point still remains there were not many options as you suggested and I have no reason to assume the measures taken were done as a stunt rather than an act of moral outrage. You can assume more if you like.
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PetraG
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I don’t see why those are mutually-exclusive possibilities. I don’t think that making a big show of moral outrage to the point of literally committing a crime and releasing the tape literally to the entire world instead of trying to solve a problem quietly is so worthy of the applause it is getting. It is only converting the converted, and not even all of those.
In the end, a theft was not necessary and therefore is not justified. When an action that violates very basic moral theology is defended, it deserves examination. This one doesn’t pass the test of having been necessary. This was an act of showing off. There may have been moral outrage behind it, too, but the action should have been questioned and stopped based on moral law that a first grader could understand before it was ever committed. I certainly would not want small children told that this was an OK way to deal with a problem with an authority figure, let alone how Catholics ought to deal with it when they think their pastor is wrong.
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Rubee
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Again, you can keep assuming that. I see it as an act of public moral outrage. There are many reasons they would want it to be known, given the scandal of the idol.
We don’t really know their intentions, do we? Why did the pope allow this to happen? To convert to Amazonians? Which Amazonians? The ones that actually live in the forests and don’t have access to the world media? Or the ones from Germany, who have an agenda?
Or is this pope going after the one lost sheep (in the Amazon) and allows the rest of the flock to disperse?
If he is thumbing his nose at the Americans, because we don’t live in the Amazon, what kind of shepherd is he?
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PetraG
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I’m not “assuming it.” The Vatican communications office said it first, not me.
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Aquinas11
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Well we’re not sure who did it, but I don’t think anyone said he’s a hero. Others speculated he did it without any evidence. I was merely saying even if he did it, it wouldn’t be a bad thing, which people were inferring.
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Rubee
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Given he’s, like you, not a heart-reader, I don’t see how referencing him makes your assumptions about motives non-assumptions.
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Aquinas11
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Ok thanks. I edited response to just say my point was “even if” he did it, it would be a moral act. This was to diffuse the main argument people were inferring, i.e. that it was wrong for him to do.
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gracepoole
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My question is why didn’t he? He was there and he wanted it done but he left it to others. Why?gracepoole:
Well we’re not sure who did it, but I don’t think anyone said he’s a hero. Others speculated he did it without any evidence. I was merely saying even if he did it, it wouldn’t be a bad thing, which people were inferring.
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Aquinas11
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ask him on youtube comments
Here is Vatican Communications Office"
“We have already repeated several times here that those statues represented life, fertility, mother earth. It was a gesture – I believe – that contradicts the spirit of dialogue that should always inspire us. I don’t know what else to say except that it was a theft, and perhaps that speaks for itself.”
People usually don’t commit an act of “theft” only to throw the objects away. Theft it was not!
As regards to “life, fertility. etc.” everyone, READ BENSON. He described all of this over a hundred years ago.
‘Theft that speaks for itself’
Dr. Paolo Ruffini, Prefect of the Vatican Dicastery for Communication, responded to a journalist’s question at the Monday press briefing for the Synod, in the Holy See Press Office.“We have already repeated several times here that those statues represented life, fertility, mother earth. It was a gesture – I believe – that contradicts the spirit of dialogue that should always inspire us. I don’t know what else to say except that it was a theft, and perhaps that speaks for itself.”
People usually don’t commit an act of “theft” only to throw the objects away. Theft it was not!
As regards to “life, fertility. etc.” everyone, READ BENSON. He described all of this over a hundred years ago.
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phil19034
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Watch the videos. They were bowing to the statues. Even a Franciscan Friar in his habit was.
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