Amb. Keyes arrested at Notre Dame

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Rach620 said:
You rock, elts! This is one of the hardest decisions my husband and I have had to make, and I know that our parents are disappointed. DH’s father might even use one of our tickets to go to the Commencement, while we, in our caps and gowns, attend the rally.

Thank goodness there are other celebratory events for us–departmental ceremonies, an honors convocation, and the Baccalaureate Mass. It won’t be what it should be, but we will make it work.

We’re just really praying it’s not the “circus” that has been promised.
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I hope it isn’t the circus that may be appearing on the horizon either. Wouldn’t the ND “patrol” keep the poster carrying folks off campus? They kept Keyes off, so I would hope they will be on patrol on Sunday.

Keep the Faith and God Bless all of you.👍
 
disciple_1 said:
Originally posted by elts 1956: I recall a little something Pope Benedict XVI said that started a firestorm among Muslims. He isn’t at Notre Dame, that is not his role. The students who are at Notre Dame who are refusing to attend their own graduation are taking a stand. I agree with them. That does not mean that what Keyes did was wrong because he and other pro-life Christians looked undignified. Just because the Pope doesn’t come the the campus to stand beside him with a stop abortion sign does not mean that he wouldn’t, or that he disagrees with what Keyes did. Our Catholic bishops made a statement that is being disregarded. We are called to be a light and stand on our moral principles. That is the point. It is a lame argument to say that our Pope wouldn’t stand at a protest with a sign, to defend looking dignified. “Advancing the Catholic Culture by using the tools…” It looks to me like there is a culture of death being advanced by a Catholic school administration that is using the tools of our American liberties, including freedom of speech and freedom to diss our Catholic Pope and Bishops.

Our president, being a constitutional lawyer, with an extreme anti-life agenda and record, getting an honorary law degree from Notre Dame is unacceptable. I heard that possibly about 50 students may take part in peaceful prayer and protest out of about 1500 students, rather than attend their commencement. These young Catholics are to be applauded. That is doing something, at least.

When Catholics take this position:It is insightful, if you ask me, that this is the short-sighted, self-centered thinking that does not see the depth of the future of our country that will be left to our children and grandchildren. Jesus on the cross actually entrusted His mother to another. We are responsible one for another. He didn’t just pray, Jesus was an active, caring individual and he put how He may look to the world last, for how can one be seen as our Immortal God when He hangs dying a victim of brutal abuse and torture in a humiliating human death on the cross? Again, I am pleased that some of the students are taking a stand, but I am dismayed that these are the ones who will miss out on their commencement, and disheartened that there are so few willing to take a stand. I also believe that Alan Keyes should be commended, not seen as an embarrassment to Catholics. Just about every Catholic I know voted for this president. They all claim to be pro-life. Something is very wrong here. We have lost our script and forgotten to take our significant role in impacting the play of human history.
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You know what, I refuse to defend myself to you. If you want to know how I feel about abortion, go read my many posts I posted during the Presidential race, read others I have posted on various threads. You come across as sanctimonious because you don’t read all the posts by individuals regarding issues, especially those of intrinsic evil which abortion is.
 
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When Catholics take this position:It is insightful, if you ask me, that this is the short-sighted, self-centered thinking that does not see the depth of the future of our country that will be left to our children and grandchildren. Jesus on the cross actually entrusted His mother to another. We are responsible one for another. He didn’t just pray, Jesus was an active, caring individual and he put how He may look to the world last, for how can one be seen as our Immortal God when He hangs dying a victim of brutal abuse and torture in a humiliating human death on the cross? Again, I am pleased that some of the students are taking a stand, but I am dismayed that these are the ones who will miss out on their commencement, and disheartened that there are so few willing to take a stand. I also believe that Alan Keyes should be commended, not seen as an embarrassment to Catholics. Just about every Catholic I know voted for this president. They all claim to be pro-life. Something is very wrong here. We have lost our script and forgotten to take our significant role in impacting the play of human history

www.ndresponse.com

Pro-Life Notre Dame Students Refuse to Attend Graduation in Protest of Obama Visit, Opt for Prayer in University’s Grotto

(Chicago, Ill.) – Notre Dame University seniors who have decided not to attend their commencement ceremony in protest of the university’s decision to grant President Barack Obama an honorary law degree will instead hold a meditation in the university’s grotto at 2 p.m. on May 17, to coincide with the official commencement. ND Response, the student-led coalition that is planning the meditation, says Notre Dame should not be honoring a political figure who supports abortion and stem cell research. [View a video of student reactions (www.youtube.com/watch?v=1KUBdrrbF6o) to the university’s decision.] “It’s not a political issue; this is an issue of human dignity, and it’s a Catholic issue,” said Greer Hannan, a Notre Dame graduating senior. “As a Catholic university, we need to stand up for it.” The meditation, which will be led by Rev. Frank Pavone, national director of Priests for Life, is part of a two-day rally that has been officially sanctioned by the university. The evening of May 16, bishop of the Fort Wayne-South Bend diocese, Rev. John D’Arcy, will lead a candlelight prayer vigil for graduating seniors and their families to pray for an end to abortion and embryo research.

On May 17, Commencement Day, in addition to the meditation ceremony, a large rally will be held on the South Quad of the university, the campus’ main quad, between 11 a.m. and 4 p.m. Speakers at the rally will include Elizabeth Naquin Border, Notre Dame graduate and former chairman of the board for the Women’s Care Centers in South Bend; Rev. Joseph Raphael, Notre Dame graduate and principal of St. Augustine’s High School in New Orleans; William Solomon, director of the university’s Center for Ethics and Culture; and Chris Godfrey, a Notre Dame law school graduate and former offensive guard for the Super Bowl XXI champion New York Giants. ND Response is an ad hoc coalition of Notre Dame-sponsored student groups that has been organized to lead student reactions to the university’s decision to award an honorary law degree to President Barack Obama. These groups include Notre Dame Right to Life, Jus Vitae (Notre Dame Law School Right to Life), Notre Dame Knights of Columbus Council 1477, the Irish Rover independent student newspaper, Notre Dame College Republicans, The University of Notre Dame Anscombe Society, The Identity Project of Notre Dame, Notre Dame Knights of the Immaculata, Notre Dame Children of Mary, the Orestes Brownson Council, and the Notre Dame Law St. Thomas More Society. More information about ND Response and the demonstration can be found on the coalition’s Web site, www.NDResponse.com. ###

Available for interview:
-John Daly, ND Response-
-Several graduating seniors-
-Speakers from the rally-
Please contact Amber Dawe at 312.422.1333 or amber@tcpr.net to arrange an interview.

I don’t view these actions as selfishness. Their actions are more indicative of a CATHOLIC CULTURE at a once Catholic University.
 
It is a travesty that a publicly proclaimed Catholic man, and others, have been arrested on a Catholic College Campus for peacefully expressing their opinion in defense of Catholic Teaching. What is wrong with this picture? The 2009 graduating class of Notre Dame has had a wedge driven between them, all in the name of pride and selfishness. Is it too far fetched to say who may be driving the wedge?

It is sad that two people, Fr. Jenkins and President Obama, who hold prestigious offices in their respective places, cannot see that their personal endeavors have overshadowed the real purpose of the graduating ceremony - to honor the Notre Dame Graduates. This ceremony should not be about President Obama nor Fr. Jenkins. Yet, in the splendor of it all, it has become so and will be so. Just watch the news following the graduation and see who gets the press.

I applaud the ND Graduates who are listening to their consciences and not attending the formal graduation. I am inspired by them. They are true Christians. They are graced by God for their decisions.

I hope and pray that President Obama and Fr. Jenkins have a conversion of heart after seeing the Mass and prayer vigil that will be held on the campus come Sunday.

We need a miracle Lord. Please hear our prayers!
 
CoachSTL said:
It is a travesty that a publicly proclaimed Catholic man, and others, have been arrested on a Catholic College Campus for peacefully expressing their opinion in defense of Catholic Teaching. What is wrong with this picture? The 2009 graduating class of Notre Dame has had a wedge driven between them, all in the name of pride and selfishness. Is it too far fetched to say who may be driving the wedge?

It is sad that two people, Fr. Jenkins and President Obama, who hold prestigious offices in their respective places, cannot see that their personal endeavors have overshadowed the real purpose of the graduating ceremony - to honor the Notre Dame Graduates. This ceremony should not be about President Obama nor Fr. Jenkins. Yet, in the splendor of it all, it has become so and will be so. Just watch the news following the graduation and see who gets the press.

I applaud the ND Graduates who are listening to their consciences and not attending the formal graduation. I am inspired by them. They are true Christians. They are graced by God for their decisions.

I hope and pray that President Obama and Fr. Jenkins have a conversion of heart after seeing the Mass and prayer vigil that will be held on the campus come Sunday.

We need a miracle Lord. Please hear our prayers!
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It is a travesty that any of this is taking place. Who would have thought 50 years ago, the Catholic Church would be facing such rebellious actions from both clergy and laity. I think I must have been sleeping in Merlin’s Crystal Cave for the past 50 years. I naively thought my Church was the same as it had always been, that its members were true and faithful followers of the truths of the Church and then my bubble burst.

I already know who will get the publicity on Sunday. We will see pictures of bo surrounded by syncophant students and clergy with smiles on their faces. Makes me totally sick in heart.
 
Alot of Catholics have bought into relativism and no absolute truths. Alot of peoples belief systems come from what they hear or see on tv.Secular humanist’s run the media and school systems now.
 
elts1956 said:
It is a travesty that any of this is taking place. Who would have thought 50 years ago, the Catholic Church would be facing such rebellious actions from both clergy and laity. I think I must have been sleeping in Merlin’s Crystal Cave for the past 50 years. I naively thought my Church was the same as it had always been, that its members were true and faithful followers of the truths of the Church and then my bubble burst.

I already know who will get the publicity on Sunday. We will see pictures of bo surrounded by syncophant students and clergy with smiles on their faces. Makes me totally sick in heart.
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It almost reminds me of the Locutions by Father Gobbi in the Marian Movement of Priests, preparing Priests for a complete collapse of the entire Catholic Church, later to be followed by a resurrection. Seems like we are watching morals going right down the drain.
 
Just spoke with my nutty friends over the cellphone picketing at Notre Dame. They are picketing right now, there are about 100 people at the main entrance. They passed out a bunch of signs and rubber Obama masks they bought last Halloween. They have two sign trucks driving around the campus 24 hrs a day. There have been a few arrests already, but it is going well. There is a lot of media coverage. The turnout is real good, which may be keeping the arrests down, the police don’t want to make a scene anymore than what it is.

God Bless
 
Distribution of pamphlets is like throwing money into a bottomless pit. The garbage cans at the end of the block are lined with them never opened
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I view it more like rain. They are cheap and even if not all of them get read, some will, and that’s what’s important. I also noticed that it takes less effort to read a pamhplet that isn’t a pamplet at all, just a 2 sided sign. This way, even if it gets thrown out it might be read.
 
Originally posted by elts 1956:
You know what, I refuse to defend myself to you. If you want to know how I feel about abortion, go read my many posts I posted during the Presidential race, read others I have posted on various threads. You come across as sanctimonious because you don’t read all the posts by individuals regarding issues, especially those of intrinsic evil which abortion is.
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I thought I should let you know that I never said or even thought that you didn’t understand how evil abortion is. What awesome Christians the ND Response grads are. I never said they weren’t. I was merely pointing out that a statement saying to leave things in the hands of Mary is not being pro-active. Obviously the ND Response students were NOT just leaving it in our Holy Mother Mary’s hands. They are exceptional Catholics. Their parents should be very proud of them. I hope I cleared that up.

Again, that does not mean that Alan Keyes was not doing what God led him to do in this. I support his efforts. I also think that it turned out to be very significant that he was arrested and it was televised, because that kept the lie about racism out of the equation for the most part, since he is black. Consequently, that kept the real topic, the focus of life front and center in the media.
 
Jesus overturned the money-changers tables, disrupting legitimate business in the temple court yard. He should have been arrested since most certainly he did not have the “right” to disrupt the sanctioned action of that “den of thieves”. Our Lord used the term “den of thieves” harking back to the phrase used in Jeremiah 7 which described a Jewish nation that had become too pagan-ized / secularized, even to the point of slaughtering their own children. Alan Keyes shows the same zeal towards the secularization of the American Catholic belief systems that our FAKE Catholic educational systems employ to corrupt the forming of the proper Catholic conscience in the name of academic freedom. Alan Keyes zeal may not be legal, but it sure mirrors Jesus law-breaking behavior with whips, and for similar reasons. Catholics are worshipping the strange god of secular humanism, whose world view is diametrically and diabolically opposed to God’s will on life issues. Alan Keyes’ zeal is right & just.
 
wynnejj said:
Alan Keyes’ zeal is right & just.
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dang right, and just as right as he is the people making excuses for notre dame and obama are just as wrong, and sad.

good for keyes,
heres to enough grit to finish the last round!
 
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