America Beyond Capitalism: Reclaiming Our Wealth, Our Liberty, & Our Democracy

[Ignatius]

Yes, they recognized that all recognized that free enterprise nourishes the greatest human flourishing, prosperity and raising the largest numbers of people out of poverty.

 

[StudentMI]

Yes, they recognized that all recognized that free enterprise nourishes the greatest human flourishing, prosperity and raising the largest numbers of people out of poverty.

Okay, at this point, I’m convinced you’re not familiar with the Encyclicals. May I suggest starting with Rerun Novarum?

 

[phil3]

The problem with this and other encyclicals is their subjectivity.

 

[StudentMI]

The problem with this and other encyclicals is their subjectivity.

The social doctrine of the Church is not subjective. As Thomas Storck among others have demonstrated it is a part of the Church’s teaching. In fact it is part of the moral teaching of the Church which carries heavy weight.

Ethika Politika | What Authority Does Catholic Social Teaching Have?

 

[phil3]

Here is the bad new. Inside the church there are different interpretations of everything. Yow are welcome to post a topic and then I’ll research. Willing to bet good money I will find several different “understandings” of that topic.

 

[StudentMI]

I can tell you didn’t read the article.

 

[arvo]

I will not call that “subjectivity”. I would call it “inexactness”. That is the real adjective for the social teaching and the commandments in general.

We operate in the world of bounded resources and lot of dillemmas can be shown where we should choose how to use those bounded resources. E.g. provide heathcare for the elderly or create social security for those babies that are unwanted and will be aborted if such social security is non-existant.

Currently Church has no systematic, global answers for such dilemmas. Everyone is invited to reflect according to his/her perspective and to give such amounts to charity to that charity that corresponds to his/her understanding.

There is the big question - is such local charity more effective than the global system-wide measures. Well - subsidiarity principle can be the answer, but it it inexact again. Different organisations and countries understand differently this principle that is why the social care, education etc. is provided in the different levels of government at different countries. Or not provided at all (e.g. healthcare and secondary education in some laissez-faire countries).

Church has not clear answers for this and that is why deliberation is necessary. Church guides our understanding but I have doubts whether it can give clear left-vs-right answer. This answer should be found by people.

My personal position - we should invest in AI and develop technologies and arrive at the post-scarcity and remove the boundedness of resources and in such way remove the ethical dilemmas (and not by just cutting them).

 

[phil3]

When we were an agrarian society, subsidiarity would have worked. But in today’s world, it wont. The cost to downsize so many things use today would just wont be practical.

 

[phil3]

I have been reading catholic document book written by “experts” for the st 45 years. You can post all the links you want to post claiming to back your position. Wont change the facts that people and experts will read into those document what they want them to say.

 

[StudentMI]

The key is to actually read them yourself. Quadragesimo Anno being one of the main documents in question. Hard to read that and come away with too many conflicting interpretations ala Thomas Woods, whose book The Church and the Market is next to worthless.

I’ll post one document. Dispute the authority if you like. I’ll trust it.

http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/p...peace_doc_20060526_compendio-dott-soc_en.html

 

[phil3]

This is absurd, this is my last reply

 

[yankeesouth]

Reclaiming our wealth, liberty and democracy huh?

Religious liberty?