America: What Did We Do Wrong?

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For me, the question seems to be whether the Global Big-Wheels will ever look again at investing capital in the US.

We’ve got an educated workforce, of which at least part is willing to work hard.

I think what would help is a mutual nod: IF you play by the rules and work hard, there WILL be rewards at the end.

That’s the juice that’s needed to spur human motivation. Otherwise you get apathy.

I look at China and see themselves struggling to maintain the political system; it could fall apart very easily.

The question here is prompted by the whole egregious lunacy of the World’s Most Profitable Company, Walmart, having benefit drives for its employees! —this is absurd.
 
This is a great country in many respects. PubMed, Medline, Chemical Abstracts - the USA maintains them. The USA is a leader in science.

What bothers me, is that we got duped big time with the “war on terror”, since 9/11/2001. I don’t know what percentage of America knows this, but 9/11 was an inside job, and the Arab terrorists were mere patsies. Hani Hanjour who couldn’t even fly a Cessna, flying a Boeing 757 into the Pentagon - that’s ridiculous fantasy, not true. I don’t know what percentage of Americans know that some sort of nuclear event took place at the WTC (either a clandestine reactor went supercritical, or a fission bomb went off - the US Geological Survey found large amounts of strontium, barium, yttrium, lanthanum, cerium, zinc, uranium, thorium in the WTC wreckage - indicative of a nuclear event). Also, a sophisticated incendiary/explosive material (nano thermite, a sort of nano composite material containing nano particles of aluminum and ferric oxide) was found in the wreckage. It looks like the WTC was demolished by a sophisticated operation using advanced technology, so there’s a lot more to it than 19 Arab terrorists with box cutters from a cave in Afghanistan.

Some forces (the military-industrial complex? those wanting control of Iraqi oil? those who wanted us to fight a proxy war on Israel’s behalf?) apparently wanted to take us into war, and we have been at war ever since 9/11. This bothers me. It has been a lost decade, unnecessary wars, and a lot of bloodshed for nothing. I think we messed up with our “war on terror”. Afghanistan and Iraq were not the real threat to America. The real threats are the war mongers in our midst, who organized a false flag terror operation called 9/11. It was not the 19 Arab terrorists who bear chief responsibility for killing Americans on 9/11. Once again, professional aviators do not even believe that they had the flying skills to fly airplanes into the WTC and Pentagon. I don’t even mind if we never find out who flew remote-controlled airplanes into the buildings, who planted the nano thermite, who had a nuclear reaction (either reactor or bomb) set off at the WTC. I only wish we stopped sending our young men and women to death in Afghanistan and elsewhere, I only wish we forget trying to bomb and invade Syria and Iran, I only wish we stop initiating unnecessary wars, and perhaps stop our government and NSA from spying on innocent peaceful citizens at home.

We are killing our own citizens, as well as Iraqis, Afghans, Syrians, and so on, in vain. I pray for peace. I pray that we stop initiating unnecessary and unjust armed conflicts and wars all over the world.
 
Many of those folks whose entire career consists of punching in and out as a Walmart career have been TRAINED by society and system to prevent them from doing better.
That’s what I’m saying more or less.
When they lack these things, it’s because somebody else is actively depriving them of their human rights.
More like somebody else has failed in his duty.

As it stands, the US economy currently has excess of unqualified (or low qualified) labor. The US government has chosen to simply give these people handouts, instead of directing them to something productive, like building roads. As a result, they have lost incentive to work.
The entire system has been altered away from a culture of diligent work that seeks to better ones self AND the client (be that employer or direct client) to one in which people are trained to find ways to merely GET the most from the other guy.
I fully agree with that! I’d just like to notice that this rot has started at the top. For example, the financial sector is no longer interested in providing a service for the economy – it is only interested in its own profits, real economy be damned.
I’ve lived in the blue collar culture. I’ve worked retail, been a janitor, been a chimney sweep, been a land surveyor’s assistant. These fields really are full of people who feel that their major obligation is to show up and sluggishly do the minimum amount of work possible until it’s time to clock out.
That pretty well describes some white collar workers I have dealt with. 😃

Fun fact: from my experience, people who have worked in retail etc. make much better employees then those straight out of university. Much better work ethics… and you learn everything on the job anyway.
Opportunities ARE out there in the blue collar field though for people who bring a genuine work ethic. A janitor who shows aptitude and interest CAN move up to maintaining and fixing equipment, and then to overall building maintenance and planning. That’s not a perpetual min wage work track. A high school grad with some math aptitude CAN become a survey crew chief eventually. These aren’t tracks to riches, but they ARE tracks to living wages.
And this is where we disagree. Why shouldn’t a janitor be entitled to a living wage? Someone has to swipe these floors, you know. Of course, someone with aptitude and interest should eventually get better position and better money – but that doesn’t mean that those swiping floors all their life should be deprived of living wages.
 
This is a great country in many respects. PubMed, Medline, Chemical Abstracts - the USA maintains them. The USA is a leader in science.

What bothers me, is that we got duped big time with the “war on terror”, since 9/11/2001. I don’t know what percentage of America knows this, but 9/11 was an inside job, and the Arab terrorists were mere patsies. Hani Hanjour who couldn’t even fly a Cessna, flying a Boeing 757 into the Pentagon - that’s ridiculous fantasy, not true. I don’t know what percentage of Americans know that some sort of nuclear event took place at the WTC (either a clandestine reactor went supercritical, or a fission bomb went off - the US Geological Survey found large amounts of strontium, barium, yttrium, lanthanum, cerium, zinc, uranium, thorium in the WTC wreckage - indicative of a nuclear event). Also, a sophisticated incendiary/explosive material (nano thermite, a sort of nano composite material containing nano particles of aluminum and ferric oxide) was found in the wreckage. It looks like the WTC was demolished by a sophisticated operation using advanced technology, so there’s a lot more to it than 19 Arab terrorists with box cutters from a cave in Afghanistan.

Some forces (the military-industrial complex? those wanting control of Iraqi oil? those who wanted us to fight a proxy war on Israel’s behalf?) apparently wanted to take us into war, and we have been at war ever since 9/11. This bothers me. It has been a lost decade, unnecessary wars, and a lot of bloodshed for nothing. I think we messed up with our “war on terror”. Afghanistan and Iraq were not the real threat to America. The real threats are the war mongers in our midst, who organized a false flag terror operation called 9/11. It was not the 19 Arab terrorists who bear chief responsibility for killing Americans on 9/11. Once again, professional aviators do not even believe that they had the flying skills to fly airplanes into the WTC and Pentagon. I don’t even mind if we never find out who flew remote-controlled airplanes into the buildings, who planted the nano thermite, who had a nuclear reaction (either reactor or bomb) set off at the WTC. I only wish we stopped sending our young men and women to death in Afghanistan and elsewhere, I only wish we forget trying to bomb and invade Syria and Iran, I only wish we stop initiating unnecessary wars, and perhaps stop our government and NSA from spying on innocent peaceful citizens at home.

We are killing our own citizens, as well as Iraqis, Afghans, Syrians, and so on, in vain. I pray for peace. I pray that we stop initiating unnecessary and unjust armed conflicts and wars all over the world.
Whoa… somebody needs to loosen their tin foil helmet a bit…
 
Whoa… somebody needs to loosen their tin foil helmet a bit…
Your answer is not unexpected. 😛

The problem is, I was involved with nano science as far back as the late 1980s, when the very term “nano science” hasn’t even been coined yet. I also have a long list of scientific credentials and accomplishments, including a PhD in chemistry, lots of scientific papers published and several patents in the USA and worldwide.

You see, I’m an insider in science, and personal attacks and allusions to the tin foil hat will not phase me.

But here are 2 questions for you, and I would like to hear your explanation:
  1. Quote from the US Geological Survey’s website - see pubs.usgs.gov/of/2001/ofr-01-0429/chem1/WTCchemistrytable.html - Chemistry Table 1. This Table summarizes data for major elements and all trace elements analyzed in the WTC dust and beam coating samples.
Please click on the link, and check out the concentrations of strontium, barium, cerium, yttrium, lanthanum, thorium, and uranium in the various samples of dust and beam coatings from the WTC. Then, please tell me what’s your explanation for those values found by the USGS.

(hint: there was a nuclear event at the WTC - either a clandestine nuclear reactor was there and it went supercritical a la Chernobyl and Fukushima, or a nuclear fission bomb or device was set off)
  1. Go to this link benthamscience.com/open/tocpj/articles/V002/7TOCPJ.pdf - Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11 World Trade Center Catastrophe - published in The Open Chemical Physics Journal - and check out Figures 8 and 9 on page 15 of the scientific publication, showing electron microscopic images of a solid gel type nano composite material, with hexagon-shaped aluminum nano particles 40 nanometers thick, and 1000 nanometers diameter.
Then, please tell me your opinion, who produced these aluminum nano particles - were these nano particles produced by 19 Arab terrorists with box cutters, in a cave in Afghanistan - or were they produced by someone else?

(hint: this nano composite with these aluminum nano particles is an example of high technology, and only a handful of laboratories on the face of the Earth have the technology and know-how for producing it. Osama bin Laden, and Al Qaeda, quite simply didn’t have the technology and know-how to produce this material)
 
Your answer is not unexpected. 😛

The problem is, I was involved with nano science as far back as the late 1980s, when the very term “nano science” hasn’t even been coined yet. I also have a long list of scientific credentials and accomplishments, including a PhD in chemistry, lots of scientific papers published and several patents in the USA and worldwide.

You see, I’m an insider in science, and personal attacks and allusions to the tin foil hat will not phase me.

But here are 2 questions for you, and I would like to hear your explanation:
  1. Quote from the US Geological Survey’s website - see pubs.usgs.gov/of/2001/ofr-01-0429/chem1/WTCchemistrytable.html - Chemistry Table 1. This Table summarizes data for major elements and all trace elements analyzed in the WTC dust and beam coating samples.
Please click on the link, and check out the concentrations of strontium, barium, cerium, yttrium, lanthanum, thorium, and uranium in the various samples of dust and beam coatings from the WTC. Then, please tell me what’s your explanation for those values found by the USGS.

(hint: there was a nuclear event at the WTC - either a clandestine nuclear reactor was there and it went supercritical a la Chernobyl and Fukushima, or a nuclear fission bomb or device was set off)
  1. Go to this link benthamscience.com/open/tocpj/articles/V002/7TOCPJ.pdf - Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11 World Trade Center Catastrophe - published in The Open Chemical Physics Journal - and check out Figures 8 and 9 on page 15 of the scientific publication, showing electron microscopic images of a solid gel type nano composite material, with hexagon-shaped aluminum nano particles 40 nanometers thick, and 1000 nanometers diameter.
Then, please tell me your opinion, who produced these aluminum nano particles - were these nano particles produced by 19 Arab terrorists with box cutters, in a cave in Afghanistan - or were they produced by someone else?

(hint: this nano composite with these aluminum nano particles is an example of high technology, and only a handful of laboratories on the face of the Earth have the technology and know-how for producing it. Osama bin Laden, and Al Qaeda, quite simply didn’t have the technology and know-how to produce this material)
There was recently a big article in a newspaper here that listed bullet points that did not match the official 9-11 report, or they simply did not make any sense, so this changed my mind in regards to believing the ‘official’ story as told to us by the media. I found it troubling and scary that majority of people believe every single thing the media reports on, and does not even try to find the truth, what does this say about us as people? To me it suggest far too many people are very naive, and their opinions and views on literally anything can be changed pretty easily. LOL

While I do tend to think now that there were some odd things in regards to the official 9-11 report, I doubt we will ever hear the absolute truth about why this happened, or how. I think it probably involves too many high level players and too much money for the truth to get out. Think about it…the war on terror has been going on since 2001, and there is no end in sight, kind of the like the war on drugs, even though the numbers prove it is a miserable failure, money keeps being funneled into it…? So there are many people and companies making alot of money from the war on drugs and the war on terror. Usually if you follow the money, it will lead you to the truth and I have no doubt it is any different in this case.
 
There was recently a big article in a newspaper here that listed bullet points that did not match the official 9-11 report, or they simply did not make any sense, so this changed my mind in regards to believing the ‘official’ story as told to us by the media. I found it troubling and scary that majority of people believe every single thing the media reports on, and does not even try to find the truth, what does this say about us as people? To me it suggest far too many people are very naive, and their opinions and views on literally anything can be changed pretty easily. LOL

While I do tend to think now that there were some odd things in regards to the official 9-11 report, I doubt we will ever hear the absolute truth about why this happened, or how. I think it probably involves too many high level players and too much money for the truth to get out. Think about it…the war on terror has been going on since 2001, and there is no end in sight, kind of the like the war on drugs, even though the numbers prove it is a miserable failure, money keeps being funneled into it…? So there are many people and companies making alot of money from the war on drugs and the war on terror. Usually if you follow the money, it will lead you to the truth and I have no doubt it is any different in this case.
I agree with you :o

The “big boys” are making a lot of money with this phony “war on terror”

And I also find it scary that people are so naive.

We went to war in Iraq and Afghanistan based on a bogus fake story and a false flag attack engineered from the inside, and now the war mongers are hell-bent to take us into war against Syria and Iran. I’m sure war is big business and those who are pulling the strings are making a lot of money.
 
For me, the middle east war has been loopy stuff since Day 1.

More importantly, I think there’s been a deadly crisis of confidence in ourselves by:

(a) leaders who will not invest capital

(b) people who will not invest personal effort, since there is perceived to be no reward for it.

I think on the part of both groups, is an enormous Fear of Failure, or fear that the genuine capitalist era is over. . . and that we’re moving into new economic structures. Huge amount of angst; lack of confidence.
 
Stats don’t lie and it’s clear that the Big Project of America has failed.

What went wrong? What factors have made us slip to second-rate, has-been?
Prosperity became decadence. Look at the kardashians for an example. The fact that people like them and Miley Cyrus and lady gaga take up so much of our media is a sign that we have failed. The dregs of society are the role models. That is what went wrong. When we started thinking that money and fame were the American dream, instead of freedom, we failed. That is when we ceased to be the frontier.
 
Perhaps too many of us have forgotten (never taught) how to love properly.

If more were to obey the two greatest Commandments - to love God and to love others for the love of God (paraphrased) we would not have to discuss “what we did wrong.”

Love is an action. We work at doing what is good for the loved one. In turn, we are loved. Of course, God does love us unconditionally. But we have to acknowledge His Love and respond accordingly. That proper responding love includes daily prayer and at least weekly PARTICIPATION, not just attending, Sunday services for whatever faith one subscribes to. I would say that a careful examination of what Christ said in the Gospels and what is explained in the New Testament should lead most to come into the Catholic Church, but that is another discussion.

Proper love of others, for most of us, is to live in family. Way too many American families no longer have a sane and sober mother and father living together and raising their children to love God and to lead a Life of Honor. Again, the Bible tells us what we need to do to be proper parents. Those of us that lacked one or more loving parents can pray for God’s help and we can learn and be proper parents. That dysfunctional chain can be broken if we but choose to make the effort.

With a proper upbringing - taught that life is all about DOING GOD’S WILL, not just our own selfish will, many problems will disappear. Not overnight, but in time, for sure.

But when too many persist in ignoring the two greatest Commandments, we bring down on our society the problems we all see. We will not properly solve these problems, we will continue to make excuses, or try to rearrange the deck chairs on the Titanic until we recommit to the two Greatest Commandments.
 
Your answer is not unexpected. 😛

The problem is, I was involved with nano science as far back as the late 1980s, when the very term “nano science” hasn’t even been coined yet. I also have a long list of scientific credentials and accomplishments, including a PhD in chemistry, lots of scientific papers published and several patents in the USA and worldwide.

You see, I’m an insider in science, and personal attacks and allusions to the tin foil hat will not phase me.

But here are 2 questions for you, and I would like to hear your explanation:
  1. Quote from the US Geological Survey’s website - see pubs.usgs.gov/of/2001/ofr-01-0429/chem1/WTCchemistrytable.html - Chemistry Table 1. This Table summarizes data for major elements and all trace elements analyzed in the WTC dust and beam coating samples.
Please click on the link, and check out the concentrations of strontium, barium, cerium, yttrium, lanthanum, thorium, and uranium in the various samples of dust and beam coatings from the WTC. Then, please tell me what’s your explanation for those values found by the USGS.

(hint: there was a nuclear event at the WTC - either a clandestine nuclear reactor was there and it went supercritical a la Chernobyl and Fukushima, or a nuclear fission bomb or device was set off)
  1. Go to this link benthamscience.com/open/tocpj/articles/V002/7TOCPJ.pdf - Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11 World Trade Center Catastrophe - published in The Open Chemical Physics Journal - and check out Figures 8 and 9 on page 15 of the scientific publication, showing electron microscopic images of a solid gel type nano composite material, with hexagon-shaped aluminum nano particles 40 nanometers thick, and 1000 nanometers diameter.
Then, please tell me your opinion, who produced these aluminum nano particles - were these nano particles produced by 19 Arab terrorists with box cutters, in a cave in Afghanistan - or were they produced by someone else?

(hint: this nano composite with these aluminum nano particles is an example of high technology, and only a handful of laboratories on the face of the Earth have the technology and know-how for producing it. Osama bin Laden, and Al Qaeda, quite simply didn’t have the technology and know-how to produce this material)
An honest question here. You have more expertise than I have in this area.

Is it possible that the radioactive dust particles found can be attributed to the use of metal that was an alloy containing depleted uranium much like shell casings used by the military? or would that not create the various isotopes that you mention?

Just asking.
 
Stats don’t lie and it’s clear that the Big Project of America has failed.

What went wrong? What factors have made us slip to second-rate, has-been?
Economically and politically speaking?

Too strong a central government with power to overrule individual states, creation of the Fed and IRS, and toleration of a broken political system that allows career politicians to line their pockets with the money of corporate interests in exchange for special treatment. combine that with the ideals of Marx, our toxic and divisive political atmosphere and the now incredible size of our bureaucracy and you get a giant trainwreck unable to do anything of significance.

Culturally?

We lost our regional cultures and became infatuated with celebrities and other useless folks, because they are funner to watch than important things like what our politicians are doing. We became a nation that is politically correct to the detriment of truth and free speech, and where everyone is perfectly equal unless you dont agree with a certain liberal viewpoint, in which case you are a bigoted racist who wants poor people to die.

In short our culture was highjacked by a bunch of idiots who want to inflate their egos by acting like they care about less fortunate people.

Addition: our digital age society is all about convenience and instant gratification, people are now near sited and totally unwilling to handle the consequences of their actions or take responsibility for them.
 
Your answer is not unexpected. 😛

The problem is, I was involved with nano science as far back as the late 1980s, when the very term “nano science” hasn’t even been coined yet. I also have a long list of scientific credentials and accomplishments, including a PhD in chemistry, lots of scientific papers published and several patents in the USA and worldwide.
I’m not sure you’ve appreciated the mass and scale involved here of the two buildings in question. You’re simply not going to be able to quantify everything that was in those buildings and whether they should have been or not.

But the basic two facts here are not all that complicated.
  1. Skyscrapers are fundamentally dependent on the steel in their frames for structural integrity (true for both concrete and steel framed buildings).
  2. There was plenty of BTUs in the airliners to raise temperatures beyond the yield point of the building structural steel.
  3. The fire prevention foam applied to the steel to prevent this problem was an older design that simply was dislodged by the physical impact of the planes.
  4. Gravity pulls straight down, not sideways. When a building has widespread compromises in the vertical structural integrity of its systems, it falls DOWN. Tilting during falling really only happens in the movies. Buildings don’t have the lateral structural strength to be accelerated sideways, regardless of local forces involved. They fall down.
  5. The flying involved was not exactly a feat of weaving through canyons. Flying isn’t that hard. LANDING and living to tell about it is hard.
I know nothing about chemistry. But I’m a civil engineer and I build things for a living. Nothing about the collapse of those buildings was surprising or suspicious to me.
 
Thanks for the above; these are kind of “bigger trend” than my brain can handle.

I’ve never been a social OR economic libertarian: I think those are dead-end streets, or incomplete perspectives on life. But it may well be the case that free markets connect well to local liberties: I’m concerned about the current concept of “Let the Federal State Give You Rights and/or Support these Rights They Give You.” That’s paternalism.

Our problem is the ongoing decline of the middle class. . . perhaps it’s connected to more expensive energy and declining capital investment and infrastructure.

I think last year’s 1% Protests had the beneficial effect of showing at least some of us just how MASSIVE incomes are for the Economically Blessed in the world. . . and shows the connection between the Economically Blessed and their political contributions/tribute slaves.
 
Our problem is the ongoing decline of the middle class. . . perhaps it’s connected to more expensive energy and declining capital investment and infrastructure.
I think you’re pretty close to the mark on this one. What few realize anymore is that in American politics, BOTH parties are owned by the rich. Everybody knows the Rs are owned by the rich, but their backers (with some exceptions) are usually the medium size business owners, the entrepreneurs, venture capitalists, etc. They strive to write the rules to favor competition with the presumption that whoever comes out on top will improve things for everybody. But the Ds are ALSO owned by the rich. The difference is that they favor the MEGA rich: the Ivy League club, Wall Street titans, the old money crowd. While they pay lip service to helping the little guy, the way they go about doing it firmly entrenches the already rich and powerful and protects them from challenges to their reign. In the end, this is at least as harmful as the rich-favoritism of the Rs.

America boomed when we had an extremely wide distribution of wealth that resulted from our rapid expansion in population and geography. The Oligarchs couldn’t keep up for a long time and the means of economic production were privately held and widely distributed. That’s going away VERY fast and neither political party is interested in slowing it down. Both benefit when it accelerates, in fact.
 
Oh, You remember! Let’s see, now. It had to have been… Or maybe it was…:hmmm:🤷
Nations rise and fall, yet the Catholic Church remains. If we as Catholics fail to bring people in to the one true church the nation will flounder. Greed and hedonism rule. Quit saying you are Republican or Democrat. A true Catholic cannot be one or the other.
 
For me, the middle east war has been loopy stuff since Day 1.

More importantly, I think there’s been a deadly crisis of confidence in ourselves by:

(a) leaders who will not invest capital

(b) people who will not invest personal effort, since there is perceived to be no reward for it.

I think on the part of both groups, is an enormous Fear of Failure, or fear that the genuine capitalist era is over. . . and that we’re moving into new economic structures. Huge amount of angst; lack of confidence.
Captain America, I’m following the discussion on economic issues with great interest.

I hope you don’t mind that I also introduced this issue of our unjust war mongering based on lies and deceit - it’s killing and maiming Americans and foreign citizens, and it’s hurting the economy.
 
An honest question here. You have more expertise than I have in this area.

Is it possible that the radioactive dust particles found can be attributed to the use of metal that was an alloy containing depleted uranium much like shell casings used by the military? or would that not create the various isotopes that you mention?

Just asking.
The various elements (strontium, barium, etc) in large quantities indicate that they are products of uranium fission on a much larger scale than occurring in depleted uranium shells - nuclear fission as in a nuclear power plant or in an atomic bomb must have taken place to produce these elements in such large quantities.

I’m not ruling out the possibility that depleted uranium might have been present at the WTC site - I’m just stating that the large amounts of various elements (strontium, barium and so on, and 50-fold increased tritium levels in the groundwater) indicate a faster nuclear decay as seen in nuclear reactors and atomic bombs.

Natural uranium contains about 0.7% U-235 and 99.3% U-238, while in depleted uranium the U-235 isotope is reduced (depleted) to various degrees (depleted to maybe 0.3-0.4% instead of the natural level of 0.7%). Both uranium isotopes have extremely long half lives - 4.5 billion years for U-238, and about 0.8 billion years for U-235. So, both “natural” and “depleted” uranium are radioactive, yes, and they can generate dangerous radiation, but still, they are decaying so extremely slowly outside of a nuclear reactor or fission bomb, that they are only producing minuscule amounts of daughter elements (strontium, barium, etc) outside of a nuclear reactor or fission bomb.
 
Captain America, I’m following the discussion on economic issues with great interest.

I hope you don’t mind that I also introduced this issue of our unjust war mongering based on lies and deceit - it’s killing and maiming Americans and foreign citizens, and it’s hurting the economy.
ABSOLUTELY NO DOUBT it’s costing us—deeply and in many ways!

I just feel a bitter pain–and laugh morosely—when I recall George Bush telling us the war was going to be funded by the oil we would be getting from the Iraqis once it was done.

STUNNER that Obama continues the nonsense. But perhaps we shouldn’t expect much from Democrats: the war and the economy don’t seem to interest them.
 
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