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GKC said:
AFAIK, the point was never raised. It certainly wouldn’t have been, in the response to Henry’s Great Matter, the issue being not jurisdiction, but whether Hank’s marriage to Katherine was valid or not due to the assertion in his causa that the dispensation he received from Julius to marry Arthur’s widow was ultra vires. There was another, stronger point, which Wolsey urged on Henry, as to an undispensed, but diriment, impediment of the justice of public honesty, as a basis for a decree of nullity, but Henry didn’t try that approach.

Though the entire system of impediments/dispensation/decrees of nullity at the time was mind-bogglingly complex (and pointedly so, for the simultaneous management both the making and breaking of dynastic marriages for reasons of state, and the control by the Church of the sacrament of matrimony as a sacrament) in one sense it was much simpler. The issue of jurisdiction was less likely to arise.
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I think we should take this over to the “Water Cooler” forum. I’m interested in the subject (and I KNOW you are), but it doesn’t belong in this thread.
 
FrDavid96 said:
I think we should take this over to the “Water Cooler” forum. I’m interested in the subject (and I KNOW you are), but it doesn’t belong in this thread.
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Yeah, I agree, but I wander shamelessly.

I’ve never been to the water cooler. Is it safe?
 
FrDavid96 said:
If you read the part I’ve put into red, you’ll see that it was not exactly what you said originally.
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Probably I should have break it down instead of using sacraments as generic. Indeed my idea was not clear. If you notice I did say baptism is valid but the child is not catholic so I did not mean to say that the baptism itself is not valid if done under the trinitarian formula. What I meant was first communion,church. ages between two baptized Catholics fulfilling Sunday mass obligations, confirmation those are not valid and you cannot go there and get them done there thinking it is going to be validly recognized by the RCC.

I may also be a little too careful of not wanting to send any catholic the message that you can go there as a catholic and get your kids baptized catholic, married, go to mass etc because many people are mislead into doing that by them, and they will tell baptized catholic for example that if they marry there the marriage is valid under RCC. With baptism they confusse people makong them think that the child by baptism has been brought into the church. So is better to send the message to not go there to get your sacraments.
 
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