American Republicans and Francis

[Brendan]

Brendan, what does an Irish born priest who works in South America know of such things. Not offense intended toward the Good Father.

He knows what a regulated capitalist environment is ( Ireland) and he knows what an unregulated capitalist environment is.

He has seen first hand countries that have nothing equivalent of the FDA, OSHA FDA etc.

In addition, he also read the Exhortation in the original Spanish, which has it’s own nuances

So when he says that the US regulations on Capitalism are regulated, he is doing so from direct experience under both systems.

 

[ishii]

I don’t know any liberal guys from the Midwest. But when I see you attempting to hold on to such indefensible positions in a discussion like this. Well my heart goes out to you. Poor soul. I’ll through you a little bone here. Both the Republicans, and the Democrats cater to the money changers who demand that their greed mongering go unchecked. When you scream, and cry about regulations, that to the clear eye are not even adequate. Your dancing TO THE MONEY CHANGERS TUNE. It’s as simple as that. Trying to say you are not shows a poor understanding of your own behavior. Some would call it denial.

Good morning Ishii.

What’s next, “it’s all part of the conspiracy of the bankers/Rothchilds/Zionists/Tri-laterals/CIA” ? “You are now entering the Conspiracy-zone.”

(Oops, I forgot to include the queen of England and Kissinger

 

[Mickey_Finn]

He knows what a regulated capitalist environment is ( Ireland) and he knows what an unregulated capitalist environment is.

He has seen first hand countries that have nothing equivalent of the FDA, OSHA FDA etc.

In addition, he also read the Exhortation in the original Spanish, which has it’s own nuances

So when he says that the US regulations on Capitalism are regulated, he is doing so from direct experience under both systems.

Here we have marginal regulation, and very few controls over industry. There may be laws on the books and agencies assigned to the task. But funding is a problem, and we are often out spent by corporations with deeper pockets. You can look at the 13 June disaster in LA. Two workers were killed, and eighty others were injured. Fines equalling less than $100,000 were levied against Williams Partners LP. A pittance for a partnership like that. This is the sad tale here time and again. So, you see our regulation is little more than window dressing. I’m sure the Good Father would agree.

ATB

 

[Mickey_Finn]

What’s next, “it’s all part of the conspiracy of the bankers/Rothchilds/Zionists/Tri-laterals/CIA” ? “You are now entering the Conspiracy-zone.”

(Oops, I forgot to include the queen of England and Kissinger

You had to bring Kissinger into this.

ATB

 

[DaveBj]

Here we have marginal regulation, and very few controls over industry. There may be laws on the books and agencies assigned to the task. But funding is a problem, and we are often out spent by corporations with deeper pockets. You can look at the 13 June disaster in LA. Two workers were killed, and eighty others were injured. Fines equalling less than $100,000 were levied against Williams Partners LP. A pittance for a partnership like that. This is the sad tale here time and again. So, you see our regulation is little more than window dressing. I’m sure the Good Father would agree.

ATB

MARGINAL regulation? You have no idea, do you? I work closely with the management of a medium-sized foundry, and the bureaucratic hoops they have to jump through are not to be believed. And it’s getting worse.

 

[Mickey_Finn]

MARGINAL regulation? You have no idea, do you? I work closely with the management of a medium-sized foundry, and the bureaucratic hoops they have to jump through are not to be believed. And it’s getting worse.

Elaborate please.

 

[ishii]

You had to bring Kissinger into this.

ATB

Hey, you brought up the “money changers.” I thought I’d lay out all the co-conspirators for you. I mean, who are the money changers that call the shots? Surely they’re among the groups I mentioned (with the possible exception of the Queen).

Ishii

 

[ishii]

Ishii . The TP’ers rose to power because the Republicans panicked.
They sold their souls and now they can’t get it back.

They returned to their conservative roots, Mickey. Now if you want a party that sold its soul, I could mention one, but I don’t want to offend anyone. (I’ll give you a hint though: this particular party did sell what was left of its soul and embrace the secular leftist social agenda). Anyway, sorry to bring up something other than the evil Republicans.

Ishii

 

[ru1too]

Hey, you brought up the “money changers.” I thought I’d lay out all the co-conspirators for you. I mean, who are the money changers that call the shots? Surely they’re among the groups I mentioned (with the possible exception of the Queen).

Ishii

There called lobbyist

 

[ishii]

There called lobbyist

I thought they were the international bankers - atleast that’s what I thought Mickey was referring to.

Ishii

 

[DaveBj]

Elaborate please.

Sorry, Mickey, if you haven’t been reading the business pages of the newspapers, I don’t have time to catch up on a century of bureaucratic, regulatory red tape. I’ve got enough to do keeping my own homework caught up, without doing yours as well. In any case, Brendan is right; comparing capitalism in the U.S. to capitalism in Latin America is like comparing a muzzled dog in a cage to a free-running stray. No way are American businesses “unfettered.”

 

[esieffe]

The Pope has seen how Americans have suffered from a society that used to take care of and even house it’s employees to one of “what have you done for me lately.” Unfettered capitalism at is worst was the Industrial age, when workers with the flu who had to walk through snow to get to the factory would take a very real chance in losing their jobs if they stayed home. There was of course child labor, no rights etc.

Unions came and went, things got better, we were given protection and rights. There are some very smart large corporations run by people with long term vision and sense who still take very good care of their employees, and yes, make a profit. A handsome one at that. Sadly, this is the exception now.

Hours are cut by companies to avoid paying out benefits, insurance premiums are up and raises are down. Many of us are driven like cattle while our CEOs and managers are rewarded a percentage of the money they save on our backs. We used to get picnics and Christmas parties, now we get furlough days and if we are lucky, pot luck events. This is for those of us lucky enough to have jobs. I thank the Lord for mine, though I wish that the benefits would stop shrinking and eating my pay at the same time. I wish that the CEO did not get 25 cents for every 75 cents he is able to squeeze out of us.

In the end, after an illness, a pink slip, and 15 years of my life I got replaced by someone in Kansas half my age and half my pay. I do have a job now, but I am the only one in my house WITH a job, and I thank God for that. It’s ok. All of this suffering has driven me straight for the Church. Not just any church but in MHO the TRUE church for me.

I think the Pope, being from South America, and being Jesuit, is able to see the “works” of some “big business” for what it is. They tell us when we get downsized that it isn’t personal, it’s just business. If that is true, why am I being downsized when profits are through the roof?

 

[esieffe]

As well, I think that the mass media, through which most of North America receives information, has provided a grossly distorted view of both the Republican and Tea Parties. As much as the media paint them so, neither is a cabal of evil rich seeking to dominate and exploit the poor. In fact, many Democratic members of congress are richer than their Republican counterparts. The Tea Party is basically a populist movement that supports smaller government so that small business, which provides the vast majority of jobs in the US, may flourish.

The Democratic party is every bit as much the capitalists, only perhaps seeking greater government control of the system. Since that party overwhelmingly opposes Church teaching on numerous moral and social issues, you would think that Francis was addressing them.

No doubt. Both parties have been found “wanting.” Term limits please.