American Schism

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At various times the church has experienced profound displays of infidelity but once again that is not schism.

Almost every catholic who accepts the truth of the moral teaching are at mass every week, They are the church. The catholics who disagree the most with the church don’t attend regular liturgy. They will never leave Rome because they don’t have enough energy to even get out of bed on a sunday it would just be to hard to have to explain to their children why they aren’t catholic anymore.

I’m not saying that there is not a band of pasionate nut jobs out there but just how many times can dissenters sit around in a cirlcle saying how great they are now that they now can have contraceptive sex. No schism has ever been succesful when it has been built on doing whatever you want to do. It is simply a joke to think these guys could do anything but cause trouble within the church. They need the church so they can steal her credibilty for their wacky ideas.

Worst case imagine a few bishops break away, do you think that all those catholics who tell pollesters that they want women priests, contraception, abortion, gay marriage etc etc will now start going to that new church? It’s hillarious.

Even if their heart is in that new schism church they will not support it because they deep down they don’t believe in anything but themselves.

The real threat is a crisis of faith and not the emergence of a breakaway church these radicals destroy churches they have no ability to build churches because they lack true faith.

God Bless
 
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Hesychios:
If there were any court actions to pull the properties away from the diocese the courts would most probably side with bishops recognized by Rome. Schismatics would likely need to leave everything behind and start over.
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That didn’t stop the SSPX from finding churches.

Let’s see. How about the US Catholic church, or the New Catholic church, or the Echumenical Catholic church, or the True church where your truth is welcome?

Another question is if it splits, how many more times will it split?

Actually, I have confidence in the new generation of priests that will replace the disidents, but we may have to import a few from Africa and Italy.
 
Where was I reading that Rome referred to the Church in America as “The Wayward Child To Be Reconned With”:tsktsk:
 
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jimmytoes:
That didn’t stop the SSPX from finding churches.

Let’s see. How about the US Catholic church, or the New Catholic church, or the Echumenical Catholic church, or the True church where your truth is welcome?

Another question is if it splits, how many more times will it split?

Actually, I have confidence in the new generation of priests that will replace the disidents, but we may have to import a few from Africa and Italy.
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Excellent point about splitting to oblivion

But these churches are an attempt to be faithful and quite frankly the way they worship is much like the way every US catholic worshiped in 1955 they represent a real church but one that the holy spirit is moving us away from. Time will wipe them out.

The vast majority of unfaithful american catholics just don’t have any faith at all. The liberals who warn of schism want some sort of contemporary mushed up, PC, immoral church that has no history or scriptural reality. A US liberal schism is a joke.

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Deacon2006:
The liberals who warn of schism want some sort of contemporary mushed up, PC, immoral church that has no history or scriptural reality. A US liberal schism is a joke.
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Agreed.

A liberal schism (other than one or two priests splitting off) is highly unlikely. The “modus operandi” of the liberals these days is to work within the system to cause dissent and change. This make them insidiously dangerous.

I have to give the RadTrads a little credit. At least some of them have the gumption to form thier own structure that officially constitutes a schism.

PF
 
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EddieArent:
Interesting…

On difficult moral questions, which are you more likely to follow the teachings of Pope Benedict or your own conscience;

74% “their own”

usatoday.com/news/polls/tables/live/2005-04-19-pope-poll.htm
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The people at usatoday are a bunch of anti-C godless sobs, never take what they say as worth anything. Even in the poll they did a lousy job of proving anything.

1)The ask if the person is a “practicing” Catholic at the END of the poll. And 38% said they were not, im guessing that means that they dont even go to church and highly doubt they even think about religion. So much for the data.

2)Most of the questions were speculation on what MIGHT happen in the FUTURE wich is lousy data right there. Not to mention only 616 people were “interviewed”.

3)When asked if they thought that the new Pope would take the Church in the “right direction” as if that meant anything, 47% said the didnt know and 39% said yes he would. As for how they viewed him, 59% said they didnt know, 31% in a “favorable” light.
At the very least they show total uncertainty in their decisions, and it makes sense because they dont know anything about him yet.

Thats a bogus poll from worthless journalists and journalism.
 
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misericordie:
If the status quo of most dioceses in the USA continues, it may happen. We need more Archbishop Chaput types in all USA diocese. As well as Bishop Olmstead types (of the Pheonix diocese) especially in the New York Archdiocese, oh God, when are we going to get a new Archbishop Cardinal???
April 30, 2005. Misericordie.
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What’s wrong with Cardinal Egan? Let me guess… (1) Cardinal Egan said something that hurt your feelings, or (2) you’re not getting rave encouragement from the archdiocesan vocation office.
 
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Elzee:
Every once in awhile I hear comments on this forum that there may one day be an ‘American Catholic’ schism, totally separated from Rome. Does anyone really think this will happen?
‘Logistically’, how does something like this happen? (a bunch of priests and bishps get together and make a decision, etc.)
This is a very scarey thought to me.
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There already is a material schism. The dissenting clery and laity in this country, and elsewhere, do what they want and teach what they want. I can’t see how formalizing it would be any worse. In fact, it may finally be the thing that helps to reform us.
 
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Hesychios:
I doubt that any such thing will happen on a large scale.

The church is far more likely to see a collapse in membership than a schism IMO. Already most “Catholics” don’t enter a church very often, and many of those who do are confused about what the church teaches.

And there are even a few of those confused worshippers who, if they really understood what the church teaches might be compelled to look elsewhere.

But as to schism, the way the finances are organized in the USA the parish property is in the hands of the bishop. More than likely very few bishops would be involved in a “schism” because they were all chosen by Rome, and value that connection far too much to risk it. Schism in years gone by involved bishops who did not depend upon Rome in this way.

If there were any court actions to pull the properties away from the diocese the courts would most probably side with bishops recognized by Rome. Schismatics would likely need to leave everything behind and start over.

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Michael
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Each arch(diocese) is indeed a corporation sole of the individual arch(bishop.) However if you actually believe these men could “take it with them”, you’re out of your mind – both politically and legally.
 
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