Americans think downloading no big deal

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Americans think downloading no big deal
By Etan Vlessing
TORONTO (Hollywood Reporter) - Most Americans regard the illegal downloading and distributing of Hollywood movies as something on par with minor parking offenses, according to a report issued Wednesday.
Only 40 percent of Americans polled by Toronto-based Solutions Research Group agreed that downloading copyrighted movies on the Internet was a “very serious offense.”
That compares with the 78 percent who said shoplifting a DVD from the local video store was a very serious offense.
Why the disconnect? People know shoving a DVD in their pocket is wrong but stealing the same movie thru their modem isn’t?
 
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Why the disconnect? People know shoving a DVD in their pocket is wrong but stealing the same movie thru their modem isn’t?Because shoplifting is the streotypical example of violating the 7th Commandment, but copyright violation is an offense againt the 4th Commandment that takes more thinking than the average person gives moral issues.

Ironically, minor traffic violations are also sins against the 4th Commandment, so maybe the’re smarter than you think they are!
 
Because shoplifting is the streotypical example of violating the 7th Commandment, but copyright violation is an offense againt the 4th Commandment that takes more thinking than the average person gives moral issues.

Ironically, minor traffic violations are also sins against the 4th Commandment, so maybe the’re smarter than you think they are!
I’ll bite: how is copying something without the permission of Big Media a failure to honor thy father and thy mother? Is it because most of us were raised by television sets?
 
I’ll bite: how is copying something without the permission of Big Media a failure to honor thy father and thy mother? Is it because most of us were raised by television sets?
The 4th Commandment does not just end with our parents.

Are the obligations of the fourth Commandment
extended to the wider ‘family’ in society?

The obligations are extended to the wider ‘family’. The
commandment requires honour, affection and gratitude
toward elders and ancestors. It extends to the duties of
pupils to teachers, employees to employers, subordinates
to leaders, citizens to their country and to those who
administer or govern it. It also includes and presupposes
the duties of parents, instructors, teachers, leaders,
magistrates, those who govern and all who exercise
authority over others, to respect the fundamental rights
of those under their authority.

The duties of citizens (CCC)
 
I’ll bite. I admit that I don’t normally think a lot about these sorts of issues (not being technically savvy enough to download movies anyway)

My initial gut response would be to figure that are doubtless efficent ways and means available to prevent downloading and copying of a movie or music etc if it’s not OK with the producers of the material.

I suppose this makes the false assumption that such technologies are foolproof, which they aren’t.
 
The 4th Commandment does not just end with our parents.

Are the obligations of the fourth Commandment
extended to the wider ‘family’ in society?

The obligations are extended to the wider ‘family’. The
commandment requires honour, affection and gratitude
toward elders and ancestors. It extends to the duties of
pupils to teachers, employees to employers, subordinates
to leaders, citizens to their country and to those who
administer or govern it. It also includes and presupposes
the duties of parents, instructors, teachers, leaders,
magistrates, those who govern and all who exercise
authority over others, to respect the fundamental rights
of those under their authority.

The duties of citizens (CCC)
What does this have to do with downloading movies or music?
 
What does this have to do with downloading movies or music?
The 4th Commandment requires that we obey the lawful authorities placed over us. Congress receives its authority from God, so violating the law is a vioaltion of the will of God.

In this case, the Congress, using the authority given to them from God, has granted “Big Media” (and “Little Media” and you and me, for that matter) the right to limit the copying of material they create. By downloading items which you do not have license to, you are defying this authority.

That’s the nutshell version. I would suggest, rather than just taking (or rejecting :)) my word for it, that you educate yourself by reading the Catechism’s section about the 4th Commandment.
 
Shoplifting a picture from a store is theft. Taking a photograph of the picture in the store is not theft.
Maybe not. But this is another case where that photograph could be causing the photographer to violate copyright law.
 
The 4th Commandment requires that we obey the lawful authorities placed over us. Congress receives its authority from God, so violating the law is a vioaltion of the will of God.

In this case, the Congress, using the authority given to them from God, has granted “Big Media” (and “Little Media” and you and me, for that matter) the right to limit the copying of material they create. By downloading items which you do not have license to, you are defying this authority.

That’s the nutshell version. I would suggest, rather than just taking (or rejecting :)) my word for it, that you educate yourself by reading the Catechism’s section about the 4th Commandment.
Congress receives its authority from God? What about when we were under the authority of the King of England - did he recieve his authority from God too? If so, when was his God-given authority transferred to Congress?
 
Congress receives its authority from God? What about when we were under the authority of the King of England - did he recieve his authority from God too? If so, when was his God-given authority transferred to Congress?
As I said–don’t take my word for it–read the Catechism. I even gave you a nice link to click on! 🙂
 
As I said–don’t take my word for it–read the Catechism. I even gave you a nice link to click on! 🙂
I clicked. Thanks - but I still don’t get your point. I guess you’re saying that when Jesus multiplied all those loaves and fishes, he should have been billed for all the copies and the guy with the original loaves and fishes should have been able to buy a mansion with his royalty checks. I don’t think so. I think he should get to keep his original loaves and fishes and that’s all he’s entitled to.
 
I guess you’re saying that when Jesus multiplied all those loaves and fishes, he should have been billed for all the copies and the guy with the original loaves and fishes should have been able to buy a mansion with his royalty checks. I don’t think so. I think he should get to keep his original loaves and fishes and that’s all he’s entitled to.
There was no IP law at the time so your argument is utterly senseless.

My point is that being a good Catholic means treating those with authority (e.g. Congress) as representatives of God.

Catholics are bound by obedience to follow the law, except when such obedience would be directly contrary to the law of God. Whereas there is no law of God that says “Thou shalt download what thy will”, we must therefore be obedient to the law of the land.
 
The 4th Commandment does not just end with our parents.

Are the obligations of the fourth Commandment
extended to the wider ‘family’ in society?

The obligations are extended to the wider ‘family’. The
commandment requires honour, affection and gratitude
toward elders and ancestors. It extends to the duties of
pupils to teachers, employees to employers, subordinates
to leaders, citizens to their country and to those who
administer or govern it. It also includes and presupposes
the duties of parents, instructors, teachers, leaders,
magistrates, those who govern and all who exercise
authority over others, to respect the fundamental rights
of those under their authority.

The duties of citizens (CCC)
I think it is this and also a violation of the 7th but is an even bigger more clear violation of the 10th commandment. It is wrong to desire to steal something from our filmmaker friends
who will not get payed from our act. As a result is it a far bigger violation of the 10th commandment than the 4th.

They are our fellow human being and are therefore our neighbors in the neighborhood of the planet earth. We hear a nice song by a nice performer, We wish to obtain it, but the temptaition to get it “for free” is too much for us. We get it for free and violate our obligation to pay our neighbor for getting it, we violate the 10th.

Our neighbor owns it, and we desire to have it and get it for free. This is the biggest sin about stealing movies on the Internet or getting something pirated.
 
I guess you’re saying that when Jesus multiplied all those loaves and fishes, he should have been billed for all the copies and the guy with the original loaves and fishes should have been able to buy a mansion with his royalty checks. I don’t think so. I think he should get to keep his original loaves and fishes and that’s all he’s entitled to.
Jesus, having authored all things visible and invisible, was the original owner of the copyright on loaves and fishes. The human power of dominion (=owning stuff) is essentially distribution rights.

Ask me another, come on.:cool:

Oh, and incidentally, all just authority, whether monarch or Congress, is from God. Its justice rests on consent of the governed and lack of abrogation of basic rights (one of which is property, including intellectual property). Technically, one owns one’s own works, including movies one has authored, more than one owns anything else.
 
Jesus, having authored all things visible and invisible, was the original owner of the copyright on loaves and fishes. The human power of dominion (=owning stuff) is essentially distribution rights.

Ask me another, come on.:cool:

Oh, and incidentally, all just authority, whether monarch or Congress, is from God. Its justice rests on consent of the governed and lack of abrogation of basic rights (one of which is property, including intellectual property). Technically, one owns one’s own works, including movies one has authored, more than one owns anything else.
So when the Continental Congress rebelled against the King of England - BOTH simultaneously derived their authority from God?

Or was the King’s God-given authority temporarily suspended pending military victory?

Or perhaps it was reinstated during the War of 1812, but retracted once again just prior to the Battle of New Orleans?

Speaking of abrogation of property, was the government acting with God’s authority when they seized our farm and burned our house to the ground?

Was I rebelling against God’s authority when I made cassette tapes of music off the radio as a child?

Please clarify.
 
So when the Continental Congress rebelled against the King of England - BOTH simultaneously derived their authority from God?

Or was the King’s God-given authority temporarily suspended pending military victory?
The King’s actions, which prompted the Revolution, removed his authority–authority rests on the justice of its use (and on the right to hold the office in question, so it’s iffy if a Hanoverian actually had any authority). Any intolerable abuse (minor corruption isn’t usually sufficient) renders the government invalid.

To use Rousseau’s terms, when government denies its people those rights and securities they would have even in the state of nature, the social contract is void, and until it can be justly re-established, the state of nature reigns.

I refuse to explain further; if you don’t understand now, maybe you should have paid attention in school.
 
What does this have to do with downloading movies or music?
You asked this question; "how is copying something without the permission of Big Media a failure to honor thy father and thy mother? Is it because most of us were raised by television sets?" so I answered it. The “Big Media” as you put it, is our authority over whatever is copyrighted in the media. We have to obey and respect authority not just our parents. The civil authority is there so that there can be laws. We are not to break those laws, or else. Just the same way we obey our authority here on earth with the Church and our Authority up in Heaven with God. If we break one of God’s laws there’s an “or else” attached to that.

I put a link to the section in the CCC for the 4th Commandment in my post. You should read it. That does not only apply to Catholics. It also applies to all Christians who want to obey God’s commandments.
 
That’s no big deal.
Big things getted started from little things. You say this is no big deal… to what else will you say this? Our BIG Original Sin got started with one little lie and turned into a HUGE one. Well the lie wasn’t so “little” but it was one lie and now we all lie every once in a while and say it’s no big deal. Well I say, YES it is a big deal. A lie offends God so it’s a big deal to me and it should be to you also.
 
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